2016 Offseason Thread -- Not (just) #KD2DC

[closg00]

Beal is average so the chances of plucking a SL standout to replace him would have been pretty decent, but what's done is done. Oy vey!

[sashae]

Evan Fournier?
Alan Crabbe?
Dewayne Dedmon?
Gerald Green?
LANCE?!?

[Rafael122]

Evan Fournier?
Alan Crabbe?
Dewayne Dedmon?
Gerald Green?
LANCE?!?

1. Restricted, most likely will be matched. Waste of time.
2. Sure, but also RFA, would have been matched, and doesn't have the defensive potential that Beal has.
3. He's a center
4. Nope
5. Hell to the nope.

[gtn130]

Dewayne Dedmon is the perfect replacement for Bradley Beal

[stevemcqueen1]

Only big name we need is dwight...
Rather give Dwight 28 a year before giving Anderson anything over 20

Nah. Step away from the feeding frenzy. Keep Gortat at 12 million a year instead of doubling that to pay for a guy who isn't that much better any more. Dwight's back is messed up and he doesn't have the kind of game that ages gracefully. Let someone else spend all of their money on him.

If we try and replace Gortat with another C, it needs to be a young guy with the upside to be better than Gortat and justify the big salary we'll have to give him.

Dwight is the better play by some length imo. You don't stand a chance in this league without rim protection. And the would at least make an all-star game in the East and bring SOME buzz. Mo Harkless and bringing back Dudley and the boys? Seriously? Wall is absolutely leaving with that effort.

He is declining really fast. His season wasn't really any better than the one Gortat had except that he got a few more rebounds and shot better from the field. Gortat actually managed to get slightly more win shares and have a better ORtg and PER than him too: http://bkref.com/tiny/K2ssY

He's also only a year younger than Gortat, and has played a ton more minutes. Plus you've got the back issues which won't go away, the cancerous locker room presence, the crappy FT shooting, the lack of skill necessary to evolve into a player that can remain effective as his athleticism disappears, the huge contract. Too many big warning flags with Dwight.

Signing him and thinking that you're getting the player he was even in 2013 is wishful thinking IMO. All that buzz would turn into negativity real quick when we see the state he's in now, and how much we overspent to get him.

[pcbothwel]

Im still just baffled at the incompetence of (most) GM's around the league.

2016 is the worst year to have/spend money...ever.
2014 and 2015 were great years to "Overpay" players so to lock them into cheap contracts under future cap (I.E. Gortat)
2017 will have crazy deals, but the talent is all Max worthy (Curry, Westbrook, Lebron, CP3, Hayward, etc.)
2018+ The cap would have flattened so the supply of FA money would drop substantially.

Worst year in 10-12 years

[Wizardspride]

With the team pursuing Batum/Harkless does anyone think a potential Porter trade is in the works?


Just a vibe...

Batum is re-signing with the Hornets.

I know.

I meant the fact that they pursued him at all.....along with Harkless.

[verbal8]

Im still just baffled at the incompetence of (most) GM's around the league.

2016 is the worst year to have/spend money...ever.

I think the best sign of this is Orlando trading a 2nd rounder for Meeks.

[tontoz]

Evan Fournier?
Alan Crabbe?
Dewayne Dedmon?
Gerald Green?
LANCE?!?

1. Restricted, most likely will be matched. Waste of time.
2. Sure, but also RFA, would have been matched, and doesn't have the defensive potential that Beal has.
3. He's a center
4. Nope
5. Hell to the nope.

Sato. We already have his rights.

I would take my chances with Gary Neal/KO before I would max Beal.

[gtn130]

Im still just baffled at the incompetence of (most) GM's around the league.

2016 is the worst year to have/spend money...ever.
2014 and 2015 were great years to "Overpay" players so to lock them into cheap contracts under future cap (I.E. Gortat)
2017 will have crazy deals, but the talent is all Max worthy (Curry, Westbrook, Lebron, CP3, Hayward, etc.)
2018+ The cap would have flattened so the supply of FA money would drop substantially.

Worst year in 10-12 years

Yeah I keep coming back to this, and I feel like I'm missing something. Why weren't teams readily and aggressively handing out big long term deals last year and years prior? Having few players under contract right now appears to be a very weak position to be in. Teams like Boston and Philly who have lots of players on small contracts (and a lot of cap space) have more leverage than any of these teams with 5-8 players under contract and cap space. Basically every contract signed before last night is a huge value deal today.

Also, I really don't see how the Wizards can improve much through free agency. None of the impact guys (average or better starters) are coming here. Sick plan, Ted.

[Rafael122]

Im still just baffled at the incompetence of (most) GM's around the league.

2016 is the worst year to have/spend money...ever.
2014 and 2015 were great years to "Overpay" players so to lock them into cheap contracts under future cap (I.E. Gortat)
2017 will have crazy deals, but the talent is all Max worthy (Curry, Westbrook, Lebron, CP3, Hayward, etc.)
2018+ The cap would have flattened so the supply of FA money would drop substantially.

Worst year in 10-12 years

The free agent list next year is very top heavy. And the great gets are mostly restricted guys. I'm a fan of keeping the powder dry and see what happens next season. If Otto doesn't pan out, I could see them making a run at Gallinari or even Hayward. Griffin is an interesting case b/c Paul is up at the same time. Don't know how willing he is to leave LA though...

[verbal8]

I don't understand the "who are we going to replace him with" argument for Beal. He's league average at best, and misses 25% of his games -- what's the upside? Wow, we might make the 8th seed? This is what you pay the max for? EG blew this era of the team, utterly -- Wall has never had the right pieces around him, and now you're paying the mega-uber-max for what, Eric Gordon? Why!?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=bealbr01&p2=gordoer01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

So answer the question, who would you replace Beal with.

Is Beal that much better than Jeremy Lin($36M/3yrs)?

[deneem4]

Only big name we need is dwight...
Rather give Dwight 28 a year before giving Anderson anything over 20

Nah. Step away from the feeding frenzy. Keep Gortat at 12 million a year instead of doubling that to pay for a guy who isn't that much better any more. Dwight's back is messed up and he doesn't have the kind of game that ages gracefully. Let someone else spend all of their money on him.

If we try and replace Gortat with another C, it needs to be a young guy with the upside to be better than Gortat and justify the big salary we'll have to give him.

Dwight is the better play by some length imo. You don't stand a chance in this league without rim protection. And the would at least make an all-star game in the East and bring SOME buzz. Mo Harkless and bringing back Dudley and the boys? Seriously? Wall is absolutely leaving with that effort.

Exactly dwight has some issues but if we're trying to land another starter and Harford is off the board he should be our next option not Anderson nor parsons...
Center and power forward are our biggest worries...
But I'll take Morris and his 8mil over Anderson and parson max 8 days out the week...

Dwight is also a big name star and still one of the best rim protecters...easily the best player wall has played with and will aleast show him as well as fans that the front office is trying

[deneem4]

Im still just baffled at the incompetence of (most) GM's around the league.

2016 is the worst year to have/spend money...ever.
2014 and 2015 were great years to "Overpay" players so to lock them into cheap contracts under future cap (I.E. Gortat)
2017 will have crazy deals, but the talent is all Max worthy (Curry, Westbrook, Lebron, CP3, Hayward, etc.)
2018+ The cap would have flattened so the supply of FA money would drop substantially.

Worst year in 10-12 years

Yeah I keep coming back to this, and I feel like I'm missing something. Why weren't teams readily and aggressively handing out big long term deals last year and years prior? Having few players under contract right now appears to be a very weak position to be in. Teams like Boston and Philly who have lots of players on small contracts (and a lot of cap space) have more leverage than any of these teams with 5-8 players under contract and cap space. Basically every contract signed before last night is a huge value deal today.

Also, I really don't see how the Wizards can improve much through free agency. None of the impact guys (average or better starters) are coming here. Sick plan, Ted.

That's why we need to aggressively get in some of the salary dump trades

[Dark Faze]

He is declining really fast. His season wasn't really any better than the one Gortat had except that he got a few more rebounds and shot better from the field. Gortat actually managed to get slightly more win shares and have a better ORtg and PER than him too: http://bkref.com/tiny/K2ssY

He's also only a year younger than Gortat, and has played a ton more minutes. Plus you've got the back issues which won't go away, the cancerous locker room presence, the crappy FT shooting, the lack of skill necessary to evolve into a player that can remain effective as his athleticism disappears, the huge contract. Too many big warning flags with Dwight.

Signing him and thinking that you're getting the player he was even in 2013 is wishful thinking IMO. All that buzz would turn into negativity real quick when we see the state he's in now, and how much we overspent to get him.

Honestly, I'd bring Dwight in just for name alone at this point. I have valid arguments for why I disagree with your points from a basketball perspective, but jesus christ this team needs SOME kind of buzz--John needs it, the city needs it. Better to go out with a bang of an acquisition than to just slowly rot away with Gortat and friends imo. This team dropped what...30% of its viewership last year? Just from a buzz and business perspective more than even basketball the team could really use Dwight.

[gtn130]

I don't understand the "who are we going to replace him with" argument for Beal. He's league average at best, and misses 25% of his games -- what's the upside? Wow, we might make the 8th seed? This is what you pay the max for? EG blew this era of the team, utterly -- Wall has never had the right pieces around him, and now you're paying the mega-uber-max for what, Eric Gordon? Why!?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=bealbr01&p2=gordoer01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

So answer the question, who would you replace Beal with.

Is Beal that much better than Jeremy Lin($36M/3yrs)?

Jordan Clarkson resigned with LAL for 4/$50! He gave them a HUGE discount, but giving Clarkson 50% more than that is still >>>> super maxing Beal

I would take Evan Fournier at a max straight up over Beal considering injuries. He could probably be had for less, though.

I would have also done the Jeremy Lamb trade and rolled with Lamb over maxing Beal.

The Beal max is plainly terrible.

[verbal8]

I don't understand the "who are we going to replace him with" argument for Beal. He's league average at best, and misses 25% of his games -- what's the upside? Wow, we might make the 8th seed? This is what you pay the max for? EG blew this era of the team, utterly -- Wall has never had the right pieces around him, and now you're paying the mega-uber-max for what, Eric Gordon? Why!?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=bealbr01&p2=gordoer01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=

So answer the question, who would you replace Beal with.

Is Beal that much better than Jeremy Lin($36M/3yrs)?

"Position-less" basketball tends to refer to the bigs, but what about applying it to the back-court. Trade for Lamb(maybe get a pick) bring over Sato and sign Lin. Maybe more risk, but cheaper and some upside.

[gtn130]

Worst moves of free agency thus far:

1. Noah's contract
2. Trading Rolo on a GREAT contract for DLose
3. Mozgov's contract
4. Beal's max
5. Parson's max

[verbal8]

So answer the question, who would you replace Beal with.

Is Beal that much better than Jeremy Lin($36M/3yrs)?

Jordan Clarkson resigned with LAL for 4/$50! He gave them a HUGE discount, but giving Clarkson 50% more than that is still >>>> super maxing Beal

Clarkson is under the "Arenas rule" so he only can be maxed(or equivalent) for 2 years. I think that still works out to a discount on Clarkson's deal.

[Rafael122]

Portland looking to sign Howard and Parsons. This is where I would come in, do a top 55 protected 2nd round pick for Ed Davis. Signed for 2 more seasons, $13 mil total, a bargain. There's your backup 4.