'15-16 RealGM POY & Other Awards Voting Thread

[Dr Positivity]

That list includes this year (A sign is Draymond is on)

[RSCD3_]

That list includes this year (A sign is Draymond is on)

Oh I didnt see Kyrie so I wasn't sure

[Colbinii]

That list includes this year (A sign is Draymond is on)

Oh I didnt see Kyrie so I wasn't sure

116. I didn't see him the first time either

[Doctor MJ]

Last I heard the RPOY Dolem site was down, could we get it back up and have ( semi-sentient?) It updated would love to see how the top 4 moved up the boards

If anyone is interested I can upload all results in excel file. Here are players ranked by sum of POY shares:

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RANK   SHARES   PLAYER
1   10,96   Bill Russell
2   10,22   Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3   9,58   Michael Jordan
4   8,17   LeBron James
5   7,82   Wilt Chamberlain
6   7,11   Magic Johnson
7   6,41   Tim Duncan
8   6,15   Larry Bird
9   5,79   Shaquille O'Neal
10   5,05   Julius Erving
11   4,65   Karl Malone
12   4,47   Bob Pettit
13   4,41   Oscar Robertson
14   4,38   Hakeem Olajuwon
15   4,32   Kobe Bryant
16   3,80   Jerry West
17   3,51   Kevin Garnett
18   3,48   Moses Malone
19   2,60   Dwyane Wade
20   2,57   Kevin Durant
21   2,50   Chris Paul
22   2,44   Dirk Nowitzki
23   2,43   David Robinson
24   2,22   Elgin Baylor
25   2,18   Dolph Schayes
26   2,06   Walt Frazier
27   2,03   Charles Barkley
28   1,95   Stephen Curry
29   1,58   George Gervin
30   1,40   Bob McAdoo
31   1,37   Bill Walton
32   1,31   Steve Nash
33   1,19   Rick Barry
34   1,12   Bob Cousy
35   1,10   Dwight Howard
36   1,10   Neil Johnston
37   1,09   Patrick Ewing
38   1,03   Paul Arizin
39   0,84   Alonzo Mourning
40   0,77   Tracy McGrady
41   0,75   Gary Payton
42   0,68   Willis Reed
43   0,68   Artis Gilmore
44   0,66   John Havlicek
45   0,65   Dave Cowens
46   0,62   Sidney Moncrief
47   0,58   Cliff Hagan
48   0,57   James Harden
49   0,53   Larry Foust
50   0,52   Bob Lanier
51   0,48   Clyde Drexler
52   0,45   Bernard King
53   0,44   Scottie Pippen
54   0,39   Grant Hill
55   0,39   Nate Thurmond
56   0,35   David Thompson
57   0,34   Russell Westbrook
58   0,33   Jason Kidd
59   0,32   Elvin Hayes
60   0,32   Dominique Wilkins
61   0,25   Isiah Thomas
62   0,23   Anfernee Hardaway
63   0,22   Wes Unseld
64   0,21   Sam Jones
65   0,21   Blake Griffin
66   0,20   Marques Johnson
67   0,19   Tiny Archibald
68   0,19   Drymond Green
69   0,14   Kevin McHale
70   0,13   Kawhi Leonard
71   0,13   Connie Hawkins
72   0,12   Kevin Love
73   0,12   Anthony Davis
74   0,12   George Yardley
75   0,12   John Stockton
76   0,12   Billy Cunningham
77   0,11   Derrick Rose
78   0,09   Maurice Stokes
79   0,08   Adrian Dantley
80   0,08   Allen Iverson
81   0,07   Kenny Sears
82   0,07   Jermaine O'Neal
83   0,07   George McGinnis
84   0,06   Ben Wallace
85   0,05   Paul George
86   0,05   Amar'e Stoudemire
87   0,04   Tony Parker
88   0,03   Manu Ginobili
89   0,03   Marc Gasol
90   0,03   Dennis Johnson
91   0,03   Hal Greer
92   0,02   Chris Webber
93   0,02   Kevin Johnson
94   0,02   Frank Ramsey
95   0,02   Bill Sharman
96   0,02   Bobby Jones
97   0,02   Pete Maravich
98   0,02   Jeff Ruland
99   0,02   Bob Dandridge
100   0,02   Chauncey Billups
101   0,02   Zelmo Beaty
102   0,02   Andrei Kirilenko
103   0,02   Dave Bing
104   0,02   Lamarcus Aldridge
105   0,02   Ray Allen
106   0,02   Spencer Haywood
107   0,01   Deron Williams
108   0,01   Walter Davis
109   0,01   Paul Pierce
110   0,01   Alex English
111   0,01   Peja Stojakovic
112   0,01   Walt Bellamy
113   0,01   Vern Mikkelsen
114   0,01   Paul Westphal
115   0,01   Cedric Maxwell
116   0,01   Kyrie Irving
117   0,01   Glen Rice
118   0,01   Buck Williams
119   0,01   Earl Monroe
120   0,00   Carmelo Anthony
121   0,00   Reggie Miller
122   0,00   Vince Carter
123   0,00   Tim Hardaway
124   0,00   Shawn Kemp
125   0,00   Brad Daugherty
126   0,00   Andre Iguodala



Thank you lorak! I was just going to do that today. You saved me the trouble.

[Doctor MJ]

So let's see then based on Lorak's great list, current players:

4. LeBron James 8.17
7. Tim Duncan 6.41
15. Kobe Bryant 4.32
17. Kevin Garnett 3.51
19. Dwyane Wade 2.60
20. Kevin Durant 2.57
21. Chris Paul 2.50
22. Dirk Nowitzki 2.44
28. Steph Curry 1.95
35. Dwight Howrd 1.10
48. James Harden 0.57
57. Russell Westbrook 0.34
65. Blake Griffin 0.21
68. Draymond Green 0.19
70. Kawhi Leonard 0.13
72. Kevin Love 0.12
73. Anthony Davis 0.12
77. Derrick Rose 0.11

[Doctor MJ]

Last year's voting:

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Winners:

POY: Steph Curry
OPOY: Steph Curry
DPOY: Draymond Green
ROY: Nerlens Noel
MIP: Rudy Gobert
6MOY: Andre Iguodala
COY: Steve Kerr
EOY: David Griffin

[JordansBulls]

Vice versa too. I think it's going to be really hard for either Curry or Durant to win MVP or POY, because the perception is going to be "well, they have each other".

It will be Wade who gets it.

I think the MVP is going to come from a playoff team.

That team is similar to the 1998 Bulls

Harper - Rondo
Wade - MJ
Pippen - Jimmy
Rodman - Taj
Luc - Lopez

Toni - Niko

[therealbig3]

It will be Wade who gets it.

I think the MVP is going to come from a playoff team.

That team is similar to the 1998 Bulls

Harper - Rondo
Wade - MJ
Pippen - Jimmy
Rodman - Taj
Luc - Lopez

Toni - Niko

Yeah, make everyone on the 98 Bulls SIGNIFICANTLY worse, and you have the current Bulls. And the current Bulls are a terrible fit. With an unproven coach, whose team underachieved last year.

Combined with the fact that a lot of teams in the East stayed the same or got better, and I can easily see the Bulls missing the playoffs. And they're not getting anywhere close to the best record, which means an MVP for Wade is totally out of the question. He most likely won't even be the best player on his own team...it's probably gonna be Butler.

[JordansBulls]

I think the MVP is going to come from a playoff team.

That team is similar to the 1998 Bulls

Harper - Rondo
Wade - MJ
Pippen - Jimmy
Rodman - Taj
Luc - Lopez

Toni - Niko

Yeah, make everyone on the 98 Bulls SIGNIFICANTLY worse, and you have the current Bulls. And the current Bulls are a terrible fit. With an unproven coach, whose team underachieved last year.

Combined with the fact that a lot of teams in the East stayed the same or got better, and I can easily see the Bulls missing the playoffs. And they're not getting anywhere close to the best record, which means an MVP for Wade is totally out of the question. He most likely won't even be the best player on his own team...it's probably gonna be Butler.

This team has 4 of the 5 positions better though. This Bulls team wins between 57 to 63 games next season.

[bondom34]

That team is similar to the 1998 Bulls

Harper - Rondo
Wade - MJ
Pippen - Jimmy
Rodman - Taj
Luc - Lopez

Toni - Niko

Yeah, make everyone on the 98 Bulls SIGNIFICANTLY worse, and you have the current Bulls. And the current Bulls are a terrible fit. With an unproven coach, whose team underachieved last year.

Combined with the fact that a lot of teams in the East stayed the same or got better, and I can easily see the Bulls missing the playoffs. And they're not getting anywhere close to the best record, which means an MVP for Wade is totally out of the question. He most likely won't even be the best player on his own team...it's probably gonna be Butler.

This team has 4 of the 5 positions better though. This Bulls team wins between 57 to 63 games next season.

Checks calendar....not 2010....OK then.

[RSCD3_]

I too pick up aging ball dominant veteran guards with poor outside shots to compliment my coach who was hired because of his "space and pace" plan and my superstar who didnt fit well with derrick because he wanted the ball to playmake more.

[Colbinii]

That team is similar to the 1998 Bulls

Harper - Rondo
Wade - MJ
Pippen - Jimmy
Rodman - Taj
Luc - Lopez

Toni - Niko

Yeah, make everyone on the 98 Bulls SIGNIFICANTLY worse, and you have the current Bulls. And the current Bulls are a terrible fit. With an unproven coach, whose team underachieved last year.

Combined with the fact that a lot of teams in the East stayed the same or got better, and I can easily see the Bulls missing the playoffs. And they're not getting anywhere close to the best record, which means an MVP for Wade is totally out of the question. He most likely won't even be the best player on his own team...it's probably gonna be Butler.

This team has 4 of the 5 positions better though. This Bulls team wins between 57 to 63 games next season.

Yeah...

[Dr Spaceman]

That team is similar to the 1998 Bulls

Harper - Rondo
Wade - MJ
Pippen - Jimmy
Rodman - Taj
Luc - Lopez

Toni - Niko

Yeah, make everyone on the 98 Bulls SIGNIFICANTLY worse, and you have the current Bulls. And the current Bulls are a terrible fit. With an unproven coach, whose team underachieved last year.

Combined with the fact that a lot of teams in the East stayed the same or got better, and I can easily see the Bulls missing the playoffs. And they're not getting anywhere close to the best record, which means an MVP for Wade is totally out of the question. He most likely won't even be the best player on his own team...it's probably gonna be Butler.

This team has 4 of the 5 positions better though. This Bulls team wins between 57 to 63 games next season.

I agree, Rodman is a lot better than Taj.

Still, though, I'm surprised you think Wade is better than MJ.

[HeartBreakKid]

Yeah, make everyone on the 98 Bulls SIGNIFICANTLY worse, and you have the current Bulls. And the current Bulls are a terrible fit. With an unproven coach, whose team underachieved last year.

Combined with the fact that a lot of teams in the East stayed the same or got better, and I can easily see the Bulls missing the playoffs. And they're not getting anywhere close to the best record, which means an MVP for Wade is totally out of the question. He most likely won't even be the best player on his own team...it's probably gonna be Butler.

This team has 4 of the 5 positions better though. This Bulls team wins between 57 to 63 games next season.

I agree, Rodman is a lot better than Taj.

Still, though, I'm surprised you think Wade is better than MJ.

You gotta support the Chicago native

[Colbinii]

Yeah, make everyone on the 98 Bulls SIGNIFICANTLY worse, and you have the current Bulls. And the current Bulls are a terrible fit. With an unproven coach, whose team underachieved last year.

Combined with the fact that a lot of teams in the East stayed the same or got better, and I can easily see the Bulls missing the playoffs. And they're not getting anywhere close to the best record, which means an MVP for Wade is totally out of the question. He most likely won't even be the best player on his own team...it's probably gonna be Butler.

This team has 4 of the 5 positions better though. This Bulls team wins between 57 to 63 games next season.

I agree, Rodman is a lot better than Taj.

Still, though, I'm surprised you think Wade is better than MJ.

I thought it was Harper > Rondo.

[mikejames23]

This team has 4 of the 5 positions better though. This Bulls team wins between 57 to 63 games next season.

I agree, Rodman is a lot better than Taj.

Still, though, I'm surprised you think Wade is better than MJ.

I thought it was Harper > Rondo.

It was a troll job.

As far as the end results - it appears there is not a single conventional bigman on this year's list (Green is somewhat of a tweener).

Even when I extend my list to "Top 10", I end up adding Kawhi, Green, George, Harden, Lowry in some order. Poor Year for Bigmen.

[trex_8063]

The fact of the matter is Kyrie outplayed the league mvp and it was a guy who played the same position at that. No other number 2 guy on a team did that.

All of that is irrelevant. Kyrie's awful defense was the reason that the Cavs were down the first two games (and he didn't even shoot as well as Curry throughout the Finals).

This is simply untrue. They lost game 1 by 15 pts (and Curry---Kyrie's primary charge on defense---had a terrible game). In game 2 they lost by 33. That's not on Kyrie (either of them).

I watched the whole series, and I thought Kyrie's defense was generally quite good in the finals (at least in the last 4-5 games) outside of a few isolated plays. The team defense of the Cavs as a whole hasn't received enough credit for the comeback, frankly.

And fwiw, the terrible RPM you previously cited as support that his defense was indeed terrible in the finals was based on rs sample only; a rs in which his was a reduced sample size, and for which he was clearly not up to regular form for at least the first month worth of games.


That's not to say I agree with JB about putting Kyrie at #5 in POY vote (far from it!). Let's just be clear on the reasons (bad defense in the finals is not one of them).

[SideshowBob]

The fact of the matter is Kyrie outplayed the league mvp and it was a guy who played the same position at that. No other number 2 guy on a team did that.

All of that is irrelevant. Kyrie's awful defense was the reason that the Cavs were down the first two games (and he didn't even shoot as well as Curry throughout the Finals).

This is simply untrue. They lost game 1 by 15 pts (and Curry---Kyrie's primary charge on defense---had a terrible game). In game 2 they lost by 33. That's not on Kyrie (either of them).

I watched the whole series, and I thought Kyrie's defense was generally quite good in the finals (at least in the last 4-5 games) outside of a few isolated plays. The team defense of the Cavs as a whole hasn't received enough credit for the comeback, frankly.

And fwiw, the terrible RPM you previously cited as support that his defense was indeed terrible in the finals was based on rs sample only; a rs in which his was a reduced sample size, and for which he was clearly not up to regular form for at least the first month worth of games.


That's not to say I agree with JB about putting Kyrie at #5 in POY vote (far from it!). Let's just be clear on the reasons (bad defense in the finals is not one of them).

No RPM is full season RS+PS (Engelmann has confirmed this and in all three seasons of RPM, 14-16, we observe shifts weekly or bi-weekly in RPM as it is updated on ESPN).

Also, in previous iterations of RAPM, JE would give greater relative weight to playoff games, but I'm not sure how he does the weighting for RPM. Just noting that this may or may not be the case with RPM as well.

[trex_8063]

All of that is irrelevant. Kyrie's awful defense was the reason that the Cavs were down the first two games (and he didn't even shoot as well as Curry throughout the Finals).

This is simply untrue. They lost game 1 by 15 pts (and Curry---Kyrie's primary charge on defense---had a terrible game). In game 2 they lost by 33. That's not on Kyrie (either of them).

I watched the whole series, and I thought Kyrie's defense was generally quite good in the finals (at least in the last 4-5 games) outside of a few isolated plays. The team defense of the Cavs as a whole hasn't received enough credit for the comeback, frankly.

And fwiw, the terrible RPM you previously cited as support that his defense was indeed terrible in the finals was based on rs sample only; a rs in which his was a reduced sample size, and for which he was clearly not up to regular form for at least the first month worth of games.


That's not to say I agree with JB about putting Kyrie at #5 in POY vote (far from it!). Let's just be clear on the reasons (bad defense in the finals is not one of them).

No RPM is full season RS+PS (Engelmann has confirmed this and in all three seasons of RPM, 14-16, we observe shifts weekly or bi-weekly in RPM as it is updated on ESPN).

That's curious, as the numbers cited are from espn, and those same charts cite GP and mpg: and the numbers listed are from their rs sample only.

Also, in previous iterations of RAPM, JE would give greater relative weight to playoff games,

This I was already aware of.

[SideshowBob]

This is simply untrue. They lost game 1 by 15 pts (and Curry---Kyrie's primary charge on defense---had a terrible game). In game 2 they lost by 33. That's not on Kyrie (either of them).

I watched the whole series, and I thought Kyrie's defense was generally quite good in the finals (at least in the last 4-5 games) outside of a few isolated plays. The team defense of the Cavs as a whole hasn't received enough credit for the comeback, frankly.

And fwiw, the terrible RPM you previously cited as support that his defense was indeed terrible in the finals was based on rs sample only; a rs in which his was a reduced sample size, and for which he was clearly not up to regular form for at least the first month worth of games.


That's not to say I agree with JB about putting Kyrie at #5 in POY vote (far from it!). Let's just be clear on the reasons (bad defense in the finals is not one of them).

No RPM is full season RS+PS (Engelmann has confirmed this and in all three seasons of RPM, 14-16, we observe shifts weekly or bi-weekly in RPM as it is updated on ESPN).

That's curious, as the numbers cited are from espn, and those same charts cite GP and mpg: and the numbers listed are from their rs sample only.

Yeah, not sure why they present it that way. But I can say with full certainty that the RPM numbers use a full season dataset.