Political Roundtable Part IX

tontoz · Post #1581 » by **tontoz** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:19 pm

Wizardspride wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/ChuckRabin/status/756205074548924417[/tweet]

If I had 3 arms I would do a triple face palm.

AFM · Post #1582 » by **AFM** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:48 pm

I've been told I have three legs.

bsilver · Post #1583 » by **bsilver** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 9:02 pm

AFM wrote:
TGW wrote:
Zonkerbl wrote:Who the hell is Gary Johnson?

He's a libertarian. In other words, he doesn't live in a place we call "reality".

I know you don't care, but...

Actually Johnson is fairly moderate. He's more in line with what we would in the past consider a small government conservative, like Goldwater, before the Republicans went coockoo with the Jesus love. Same goes for his running mate. Do your research on their careers as Republican governors in overwhelmingly Democractic states. Both certainly "live in reality", their record and popularity as governors speak for themselves.

The more out there libertarians, the ones I assume you are referring to with your comment, did NOT want to nominate Johnson as he's not a "true libertarian", ie he's not crazy.

I don't think most people understand what the Libertarian Party stands for. I certainly don't. Pat Buchanan was a libertarian? Ron Paul? Seems like right-wing religious extremism to me. Now it's the refuge of moderate Republicans. What will it be in 2020?

dckingsfan · Post #1584 » by **dckingsfan** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:11 pm

We definitely have some incompetent cops out there... Do you think there would be support for federal field testing. Don't pass the test and you are off the force. Or would that be faught by the unions and would have no chance of going anywhere?

AFM · Post #1585 » by **AFM** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:17 pm

bsilver wrote:
AFM wrote:
TGW wrote:
He's a libertarian. In other words, he doesn't live in a place we call "reality".

I know you don't care, but...

Actually Johnson is fairly moderate. He's more in line with what we would in the past consider a small government conservative, like Goldwater, before the Republicans went coockoo with the Jesus love. Same goes for his running mate. Do your research on their careers as Republican governors in overwhelmingly Democractic states. Both certainly "live in reality", their record and popularity as governors speak for themselves.

The more out there libertarians, the ones I assume you are referring to with your comment, did NOT want to nominate Johnson as he's not a "true libertarian", ie he's not crazy.

I don't think most people understand what the Libertarian Party stands for. I certainly don't. Pat Buchanan was a libertarian? Ron Paul? Seems like right-wing religious extremism to me. Now it's the refuge of moderate Republicans. What will it be in 2020?

On my phone so I'll be brief:

The libertarian party is the same as it's always been. Socially liberal, fiscally conservative. Actually these values resonate with a large group of people, the problem is the libertarian party in this country is so exclusionary, and only want to accept people who are so extremely pro limited government, borderline anarchists (they refer to themselves as Anarcho-capitalists, i.e. Privatize everything.) that the party really shoots themselves in the foot.

People like Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan are really toeing the line between a small government conservative and a libertarian. The difference between the two are their views on social issues. Gay marriage, abortion, etc. Ron Paul was pro legalization of marijuana but also pro life. He was very religious and an OBGYN. Typically libertarians are definitely pro choice, but Ron Paul was given a pass since he was the first libertarian minded candidate in decades to make any waves.
Remember he was a registered R.

No doubt Gary Johnson wouldn't be polling at 13% today if it wasn't for Ron Paul's 2008 candidacy. He introduced libertarianism to a large group of people, mostly young.

tontoz · Post #1586 » by **tontoz** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:03 pm

Cuban reverses course on Trump. At first Cuban seemed to be behind Trump. Now, not so much..

"There's that guy who'll walk into the bar and say anything to get laid," (See also:AFM) Cuban said. "That's Donald Trump right now to a T. But it's all of us who are going to get f***ed

"When you’re going through customs and they ask if you have anything to declare, try not to blurt out, 'Bankruptcy,'" Cuban punched.

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/21/12246860/mark-cuban-trump-shade-rnc?yptr=yahoo&hl=1&noRedirect=1

AFM · Post #1587 » by **AFM** » Thu Jul 21, 2016 11:13 pm

Didn't Obama say the exact same thing re: Hillary?
"she'll say anything to get elected" - Obama, 2008

It's hilarious how politicians feel compelled to endorse candidates they previously shat on

fishercob · Post #1588 » by **fishercob** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:07 am

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO-0i6jWe1U[/youtube]

AFM · Post #1589 » by **AFM** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:45 am

fishercob wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO-0i6jWe1U[/youtube]

Damn! This guy just made me a fan!

fishercob · Post #1590 » by **fishercob** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:07 am

AFM wrote:
fishercob wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO-0i6jWe1U[/youtube]

Damn! This guy just made me a fan!

People cannot hep but be disarmed by the reality that we are all the same.

AFM · Post #1591 » by **AFM** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:08 am

fishercob wrote:
AFM wrote:
fishercob wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO-0i6jWe1U[/youtube]

Damn! This guy just made me a fan!

People cannot hep but be disarmed by the reality that we are all the same.

Not me BRUH, i ain't gay nahmsayin?

keynote · Post #1592 » by **keynote** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:24 am

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/07/psychology-why-americans-afraid-low-crime-levels.html

In describing anxiety among Americans, Giuliani is correct: Pew research indicates that since the early 2000s, every year a majority of Americans surveyed have felt that crime has increased since the year previous. According to a 2014 Gallup poll, 70 percent of Americans think that the crime rate is increasing, up from 63 percent in 2013. But the reality is that America is getting safer. The national crime rate is about half of what it was at the peak in 1991.

TGW · Post #1593 » by **TGW** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:20 am

fishercob wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO-0i6jWe1U[/youtube]

Fantastic interview.

Post #1594 » by **nate33** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:30 am

keynote wrote:http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/07/psychology-why-americans-afraid-low-crime-levels.html

In describing anxiety among Americans, Giuliani is correct: Pew research indicates that since the early 2000s, every year a majority of Americans surveyed have felt that crime has increased since the year previous. According to a 2014 Gallup poll, 70 percent of Americans think that the crime rate is increasing, up from 63 percent in 2013. But the reality is that America is getting safer. The national crime rate is about half of what it was at the peak in 1991.

It's up dramatically since 2014 though. 17% is a massive increase.

keynote · Post #1595 » by **keynote** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:38 am

nate33 wrote:
keynote wrote:http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/07/psychology-why-americans-afraid-low-crime-levels.html

In describing anxiety among Americans, Giuliani is correct: Pew research indicates that since the early 2000s, every year a majority of Americans surveyed have felt that crime has increased since the year previous. According to a 2014 Gallup poll, 70 percent of Americans think that the crime rate is increasing, up from 63 percent in 2013. But the reality is that America is getting safer. The national crime rate is about half of what it was at the peak in 1991.

It's up dramatically since 2014 though. 17% is a massive increase.

I hear you, but the overestimation of how "unsafe" we are isn't a recent phenomenon attributable to an uptick in one aspect of crime over past 18 months. This rhetoric has been around for a while.

JWizmentality · Post #1596 » by **JWizmentality** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:47 am

fishercob wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO-0i6jWe1U[/youtube]

Beautiful! Bravo.

Post #1597 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 9:09 am

JWizmentality wrote:
fishercob wrote:[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO-0i6jWe1U[/youtube]

Beautiful! Bravo.

Van Jones was brilliant, and the Trump guy gave him his props at the end, but... I still came away with the feeling that the Trump guy didn't really get it. He just liked that Van Jones talked to him.

Post #1598 » by **nate33** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:44 pm

TGW wrote:I'm convinced that there needs to be a comprehensive IQ test for cops. Maybe that, and a psychiatry test to make sure they're of sound mind.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/755927999942230018[/tweet]

Turns out the shooter was Hispanic. I knew something was up when they refused to release the identity of the cop. Keeping that suppressed was the best way to whip up the white-cops-like-shooting-innocent-black-men narrative.

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article91160077.html

Post #1599 » by **nate33** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:50 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DHalikias/status/755878820536782848[/tweet]
LOL

tontoz · Post #1600 » by **tontoz** » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:06 pm

Trump may well be a racial opportunist, but saying that is worse than a racist is nonsense. A racist is racist all the time and is very capable of violence. Have people suddenly forgotten the KKK?

An opportunist will move on after getting what he wants, in this case an election victory. I can't see Trump killing people just because they are a different race.