The Official Lin Net Thread

[Kytan]

Claud,

My bad, I had a little too much to drink and I didn't read your initial post properly. I just quoted, replied and went to bed. My apologies.


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Manitoba,

You do have to bear in mind that not everyone on this forum are native English speakers. My mother tongue is Chinese, not English.

However, I do agree that what Claud stated in his post was pretty clear (even for non-native English speakers) after re-reading his post when I woke up this morning.

My initial reply was a simple neutral statement stating a fact (that came about because I didn't read well properly and I was under the influence of alcohol and tiredness). I do not think there was any part of my post that sounded like I am disrespecting Lin or trying to put Lin down. I am confused why it made me sound like a Lin hater.

I don't usually respond to replies, but I made a mistake so I am offering an apology for my mistake. Let us move on.

[m40]

I am a Lin homer, but to put things in perspective, no way is Lin at JKidd's Level.

JKidd is a future Hall of Famer and falls within the top 10 PG of all times.

Top 10, I don't know. But JKidd was a great player, one of the top and at times the top PG when he played. And on both ends of the floor.

Please, read more carefully before you start to kneejerk like a Lin hater.

Claud has already clarified his initial statement. He should not have needed to do that as his initial statement was perfectly clear. "The best [Nets] PG since Kidd" does not mean "as good as Kidd".

EDIT: minor fixes.

I found that there are many non native English speakers (including myself) trying to mislead or misread statements here. E.g. Best PG since kidd = as good as Kidd; def is better than haren = overall better than haren; not sure if they intentionally read like this or want to make Lin looks bad... But it really drives people crazy.

[Travers]

So Jarrett Jack signed for the vet min, Donald Sloan is out of the league, Larkin opted out but still unsigned.

It's pretty clear that the PG spot has been upgraded big time.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242917/Donald-Sloan-Agrees-Upon-One-Year-$27M-Deal-With-Guangdong-Southern

you have to play out to see...
Lin has not established any level above a health Jarrett Jack in his career... it is honeymoon period right now, just like any season lin jumped to a new team....
just be sure not to blame coaches, teammates and FOs when things get ugly

[ChokeFasncists]

Then the next time they met, Kidd pulled Lin to the ground by his hair. Some said that's possibly how Lin tore his meniscus.

Kidd was a great PG, but he's definitely not a particularly nice guy.

i just don't understand what's the big deal of hard fouls... Lin is an ultra aggressive player in the lane, Tyson Chandler hit him too to deter his aggressiveness, and they are good friends...

There are hard fouls, and then there are bitter fouls that go for the neck.

And that's certainly not the only un-nice thing Kidd's ever done.

[ChokeFasncists]

So Jarrett Jack signed for the vet min, Donald Sloan is out of the league, Larkin opted out but still unsigned.

It's pretty clear that the PG spot has been upgraded big time.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242917/Donald-Sloan-Agrees-Upon-One-Year-$27M-Deal-With-Guangdong-Southern

you have to play out to see...
Lin has not established any level above a health Jarrett Jack in his career... it is honeymoon period right now, just like any season lin jumped to a new team....
just be sure not to blame coaches, teammates and FOs when things get ugly

Well, I'm not talking about my own opinion or anything like that.

Just reflecting on what the market and GMs around the league think about the Nets PGs last year.

Vasquez (5mil) and Whitehead is already an upgrade. (I understand that Lin is particularly controversial)

[ChokeFasncists]

Lin has professionals managing his money. He hasn't touched his NBA salary money. He's only spending money from his endorsement deals.

One thing we can be sure about is that he won't end up being like 'Toine

I heard he is still searching for a new home in BRK. so ... that apartment was just for like half a week.

He mean to say he might become like 'Toine?

[reelsgm]

this is the most annoying claim that some "so called Lin fans" created... 1, it shows these "so called Lin fans" knew nobody except Lin. 2, "so called lin fans" knew nothing about basketball!

...while of course this ain’t an exact science proving that “no-names play like a team with Lin”, but here’s an incomplete “so-called List” players who either had their best eFG% in at least a 4 yr window or of their entire careers when playing with Lin:

Steve Novak
Tyson Chandler
Jared Jeffries
Terrence Jones
Omer Asik
Marcus Morris
Patrick Patterson
Carlos Delfino
Omri Casspi
Ed Davis
Chandler Parsons
Tarik Black
Marvin Williams
Jeremy Lamb
Cody Zeller

I’m certain the “so-called Lin non-fans” can come up with some esoteric stat for each and every person disproving that they played their best ball with Lin or that it’s all by sheer coincidence explainable in other ways, a statistical artifact of chance etc… .

do you know Tyson Chandler just won a championship with Mavs before joining the Knicks and the Linsanity run? and He was the defensive player of the year for that season Landry Field was one of the "rookie first team" the season before, has been starter for the Knicks for a while before the Linsanity run..
Do you know Steve Novak was known as a knock-down shooter, Do you know JVG said Steve Novak was the best three shooter he has seen?
Do you know Jared Jeffries was a respected Vet around the league? Was one of the starters of Wizards when the Wizards was pretty damn good> and on on on....

those are not nobodies..... the fact is you knew NOBODY ...
if you want to understand why Lin got a lot of unwarranted hate from team fans, just look no further than yourself

Guess what?
Lichtenstein: Lin Promises Nets Competency, Not Lin-sanity Part II, just called all your boys NOBODIES
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/07/21/brooklyn-nets-jeremy-lin-kenny-atkinson-sean-marks/
"With Amar’e Stoudemire ineffective and Carmelo Anthony not even in uniform, the Knicks’ best five that night was a lineup of Lin, Tyson Chandler, J.R. Smith, Steve Novak and Jared Jeffries.

Lin not only was dominant, but he coaxed maximum performances from some very flawed players.

When I regained focus Wednesday I looked up at Lin, who was surrounded by a similar cast of characters that, as one writer put it, is less of an NBA “Who’s Who” than “Who? Who?”

[m40]

One thing we can be sure about is that he won't end up being like 'Toine

I heard he is still searching for a new home in BRK. so ... that apartment was just for like half a week.

He mean to say he might become like 'Toine?

Omg Lin please treat yourself better; fully recharge for every home game

[improvisor]

I'm no Lin fan/hater or Nets fan but my thoughts on Lin is a system player.Some Pg's can still be above average while playing for the wrong system but imo Lin needs the right Pace,the right plays to run to be special and not just average. Lin was a product of Mike D'antonio and was misused ever since then. Will he ever be a All-Star? Possibly this could be the year if Nets really puts him in the right situation but it will only happen if he's voted in by fans.

Edit: I'm not saying Lin isn't a good player, most Pg's that handle the ball are actually system type players.

[ChokeFasncists]

I'm no Lin fan/hater or Nets fan but my thoughts on Lin is a system player.Some Pg's can still be above average while playing for the wrong system but imo Lin needs the right Pace,the right plays to run to be special and not just average. Lin was a product of Mike D'antonio and was misused ever since then. Will he ever be a All-Star? Possibly this could be the year if Nets really puts him in the right situation but it will only happen if he's voted in by fans.

Edit: I'm not saying Lin isn't a good player, most Pg's that handle the ball are actually system type players.

Agreed. PnR guard by nature need a big to set picks and roll. A passing PG by nature need guys to pass to.

I wouldn't say he's a product of MDA tho. He's been doing that for a long time. MDA was a great fit tho. (AND Atkinson)

[hood30]

I'm no Lin fan/hater or Nets fan but my thoughts on Lin is a system player.Some Pg's can still be above average while playing for the wrong system but imo Lin needs the right Pace,the right plays to run to be special and not just average. Lin was a product of Mike D'antonio and was misused ever since then. Will he ever be a All-Star? Possibly this could be the year if Nets really puts him in the right situation but it will only happen if he's voted in by fans.

Edit: I'm not saying Lin isn't a good player, most Pg's that handle the ball are actually system type players.

Agree with that...Lin is not a player where you can throw him in any system and still watch him do very well.

He'll probably do best under a fast paced offense that is spread out with shooters around him..That is important specially for Lin because he likes to drive into the lane, so you want to surround Lin with good shooters so that defense doesn't clog up the middle and keep the lane open for the drive.

Hince the problem with the Nets...They only have Bogs as the only shooter that scares anyone, so the lane will be thick with bodies...Lin's turnover tend to occur when he's inside the lane and there's too many hands in there swatting at the balls...Or Lin being called for a charge because he tried to force a drive to the basket with too many defenders in the lane.

Anyhow, it will be interesting to see what sytem Atkinson plays.

Something tells me the best line up for Lin is below:

Lin
Bogs
Harris
Scola
Lopez

that starting 5 will probably be weak defensively, but as for fit, I believe it could work well offensively for Lin.

[spaceballer]

A good article from Nets web content producer Cory Wright on the Nets NBA site about Jeremy looking to use his charitable foundation to build deep roots in the Brooklyn community.

http://www.nba.com/nets/news/2017/07/21/lin-to-lay-roots-in-brooklyn/

[Paradise]

[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lsp5zsisqqE&sns=em[/YouTube]


His defense is what I'm most impressed with.

2015-16: 20th in DRPM
2014-15: 19th in DRPM
2013-14: 15th in DRPM

Shaun Livingston is the last Net to be within the Top 30 in DRPM. Deron never cracked the list.

[spaceballer]

ESPN instagram on his changing hair

https://www.instagram.com/p/BIKdlbhjMG5/

[jbeachboy]

I'm no Lin fan/hater or Nets fan but my thoughts on Lin is a system player.Some Pg's can still be above average while playing for the wrong system but imo Lin needs the right Pace,the right plays to run to be special and not just average. Lin was a product of Mike D'antonio and was misused ever since then. Will he ever be a All-Star? Possibly this could be the year if Nets really puts him in the right situation but it will only happen if he's voted in by fans.

Edit: I'm not saying Lin isn't a good player, most Pg's that handle the ball are actually system type players.

Agree with that...Lin is not a player where you can throw him in any system and still watch him do very well.

He'll probably do best under a fast paced offense that is spread out with shooters around him..That is important specially for Lin because he likes to drive into the lane, so you want to surround Lin with good shooters so that defense doesn't clog up the middle and keep the lane open for the drive.

Hince the problem with the Nets...They only have Bogs as the only shooter that scares anyone, so the lane will be thick with bodies...Lin's turnover tend to occur when he's inside the lane and there's too many hands in there swatting at the balls...Or Lin being called for a charge because he tried to force a drive to the basket with too many defenders in the lane.

Anyhow, it will be interesting to see what sytem Atkinson plays.

Something tells me the best line up for Lin is below:

Lin
Bogs
Harris
Scola
Lopez

that starting 5 will probably be weak defensively, but as for fit, I believe it could work well offensively for Lin.

joe harris is not starting and booker will probably be starter over scola. rondae will start.

[brook]

We don't have shooters except Bogdanovic in the starting lineup, but our bench players are all shooters or almost shooters: Vasquez, Scola, Kilpatrick, Harris, Foye, Bennett, LeVert, Whitehead, McCullough, Hamilton... this is important for us.

[Roy Tarpley]

http://espn.go.com/blog/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/23744/brooklyn-nets-coach-kenny-atkinson-once-wondered-about-pg-jeremy-lin-is-this-kid-any-good

Not sure if this was already posted but here's Atkinson talking about Lin's role in offense.

“Mike D’s offense is more point-guard-centric,” Atkinson said. “It’s the Steve Nash model. But this will be a little bit more Atlanta-San Antonio style, a little bit more touches from other guys.”

This seems to suggest Lin could put up numbers more like Isaiah Thomas (i.e., 20 and 6), rather than a 18 and 8.

[jbeachboy]

We don't have shooters except Bogdanovic in the starting lineup, but our bench players are all shooters or almost shooters: Vasquez, Scola, Kilpatrick, Harris, Foye, Bennett, LeVert, Whitehead, McCullough, Hamilton... this is important for us.

it will be interesting how atkinson gives minutes to with that deep bench.

[bws94]

I'm no Lin fan/hater or Nets fan but my thoughts on Lin is a system player.Some Pg's can still be above average while playing for the wrong system but imo Lin needs the right Pace,the right plays to run to be special and not just average. Lin was a product of Mike D'antonio and was misused ever since then. Will he ever be a All-Star? Possibly this could be the year if Nets really puts him in the right situation but it will only happen if he's voted in by fans.

Edit: I'm not saying Lin isn't a good player, most Pg's that handle the ball are actually system type players.

At this point, Lin is pretty flexible in he has excelled at times in different systems. He had great games in the Houston system, Lakers system and Charlotte's system. He excelled in a PG centric PnR system, but he's expanded a lot in his game by learning to play with other facilitators and picking his spots, like in Charlotte, as well as off ball and cutting, also what he did in Charlotte. On the Lakers, Scott didn't really use his personnel well, and I find him to be a joke as a coach. On Houston he had times when he played well with Harden, fed the post with Dwight Howard, fed Asik in PnR, fed Parsons and others, so he's pretty flexible.

I think you're overall right in that he is a system player and is special in a system best suited for him. But, the D'Antoni thing was brief and a long time ago, and he wasn't known to the league, scouted or game-planned against. Since, teams like Atlanta, Miami, especially, but others game-planned against him yet he still managed to do well against them at times. He plays especially well against Toronto, San Antonio, Portland and Philadelphia, not that well against GSW so far except a game or two.

[TinmanZBoy]

So Jarrett Jack signed for the vet min, Donald Sloan is out of the league, Larkin opted out but still unsigned.

It's pretty clear that the PG spot has been upgraded big time.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242917/Donald-Sloan-Agrees-Upon-One-Year-$27M-Deal-With-Guangdong-Southern

you have to play out to see...
Lin has not established any level above a health Jarrett Jack in his career... it is honeymoon period right now, just like any season lin jumped to a new team....
just be sure not to blame coaches, teammates and FOs when things get ugly

Well, I'm not talking about my own opinion or anything like that.

Just reflecting on what the market and GMs around the league think about the Nets PGs last year.

Vasquez (5mil) and Whitehead is already an upgrade. (I understand that Lin is particularly controversial)

What i meant was if you look at the careers of both Lin and Jack, both of them are fringe starters and top 3rd guards in the league, Lin has not established a level more than that... of course Lin is an upgrade over an injured Jack, however, it does not say much...you just have to wait and see if Lin can get to another level in the new season...