perempe20 wrote:I'm a fan. if I had to choose between him and DJ, I would choose him. he can develop an even better jumper, but he's already better than Wade and LeBron.
Who are you talking about?
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perempe20 wrote:I'm a fan. if I had to choose between him and DJ, I would choose him. he can develop an even better jumper, but he's already better than Wade and LeBron.
I_Never Lied wrote:perempe20 wrote:I'm a fan. if I had to choose between him and DJ, I would choose him. he can develop an even better jumper, but he's already better than Wade and LeBron.
Who are you talking about?
If you watched the Heat closely last season, you would expect Wade's departure to devastate Whiteside, their new franchise player. Wade knew how to get Whiteside the ball; according to the NBA StatsCube database, Wade assisted on 92 Whiteside baskets last season, while starting point guard Goran Dragic assisted Whiteside only 65 times. Zeroing in further, Wade successfully tossed 29 alley-oop lobs to Whiteside -- twice as many as Dragic did.
So Whiteside and the Heat will suffer without Wade, right? Well, it's not that simple.
Pick-and-roll chemistry is just one slice of the Heat's overall play. Interestingly, Whiteside posted superior numbers without Wade. Per StatsCube, Whiteside registered a 30.3 PER without Wade on the floor. When Wade was out there? Whiteside's PER fell to "just" 23.9. Even without Wade's assistance, Whiteside still shot 60.6 percent from the floor last season, aided by floor-spacing rookie Josh Richardson, who shot 53-of-115 (46.1 percent) from deep last season. With fewer bodies packing the paint, Whiteside enjoyed more space to work in.
I_Never Lied wrote:perempe20 wrote:I'm a fan. if I had to choose between him and DJ, I would choose him. he can develop an even better jumper, but he's already better than Wade and LeBron.
Who are you talking about?
perempe20 wrote:I_Never Lied wrote:perempe20 wrote:I'm a fan. if I had to choose between him and DJ, I would choose him. he can develop an even better jumper, but he's already better than Wade and LeBron.
Who are you talking about?
Hassan and the two former Heat players and their midrange game. (DJ = DeAndre Jordan)
perempe20 wrote:I_Never Lied wrote:perempe20 wrote:I'm a fan. if I had to choose between him and DJ, I would choose him. he can develop an even better jumper, but he's already better than Wade and LeBron.
Who are you talking about?
Hassan and the two former Heat players and their midrange game. (DJ = DeAndre Jordan)
KingDavid wrote:perempe20 wrote:I_Never Lied wrote:
Who are you talking about?
Edit: just realized you're talking about the jumper. That's a hilariously incorrect statement. Hassan taking open set shots doesn't mean he's better than two guys who have to go through hell to get a midrange jumper off.
perempe20 wrote:KingDavid wrote:perempe20 wrote:
Edit: just realized you're talking about the jumper. That's a hilariously incorrect statement. Hassan taking open set shots doesn't mean he's better than two guys who have to go through hell to get a midrange jumper off.
I'm talking about efficiency. Hassan is shooting 41% from midrange, while LeBron and Wade are below 40%. (Steph is 42%, while Dirk is 45%.)
CoffeeCakez wrote:congrats guys! wish lakers had a shot at him but what can you do. I'm really happy d-wade will get to play with a legit big man for a few more years, if bosh comes back this heat team could challenge the cavs.
KingDavid wrote:perempe20 wrote:KingDavid wrote:
I'm talking about efficiency. Hassan is shooting 41% from midrange, while LeBron and Wade are below 40%. (Steph is 42%, while Dirk is 45%.)
Yeah, numbers are fun when there's no context.
kyphi wrote:I'm sure Riley regrets letting Wade walk, but he took him for granted. Wade willingly took less money for how many seasons, and then the Heat make Whiteside (whom I so WANT to succeed) a priority. LeBron saying how great it was to be home during the same period. It turned into a hot mess with Wade (will ALWAYS love him for what he accomplished in Miami).
So now it's time for the Heat money to show up for the Heat Nation. We play the best we have as shown in the past.
CanesHeatFins wrote:kyphi wrote:I'm sure Riley regrets letting Wade walk, but he took him for granted. Wade willingly took less money for how many seasons, and then the Heat make Whiteside (whom I so WANT to succeed) a priority. LeBron saying how great it was to be home during the same period. It turned into a hot mess with Wade (will ALWAYS love him for what he accomplished in Miami).
So now it's time for the Heat money to show up for the Heat Nation. We play the best we have as shown in the past.
This incoming rant is not directed at you kyphi
Dirk didn't get his panties in a bunch when Dallas made Hassan their number 1 target this offseason nor did he when they made Deandre Jordan the # 1 priority last season and Parsons before that.
Also Tim Duncan didn't go full diva when the Spurs made LaMarcus the number 1 priority last season, or Kawhi before that.
In my opinion the only things that Riley took a misstep on was that he sacrificed a roster spot on this year's squad, just to sign Joe Johnson a week early and he grossly overestimated Wade's maturity. Can't believe that I live in a world where offering 21millon U.S. dollars per year to a 35yo sg is code for letting a player walk.
I for one hope that we are done with the whole fake "sacrifice" discounts. The players have turned sacrificed discounts, that were motivated by winning, into a back ended loan. And in the end, it just hangs negativity over the franchise's head. I used to like the "sacrifices", but now these players want their cake and eat it to.
Hallstar wrote:CanesHeatFins wrote:kyphi wrote:I'm sure Riley regrets letting Wade walk, but he took him for granted. Wade willingly took less money for how many seasons, and then the Heat make Whiteside (whom I so WANT to succeed) a priority. LeBron saying how great it was to be home during the same period. It turned into a hot mess with Wade (will ALWAYS love him for what he accomplished in Miami).
So now it's time for the Heat money to show up for the Heat Nation. We play the best we have as shown in the past.
This incoming rant is not directed at you kyphi
Dirk didn't get his panties in a bunch when Dallas made Hassan their number 1 target this offseason nor did he when they made Deandre Jordan the # 1 priority last season and Parsons before that.
Also Tim Duncan didn't go full diva when the Spurs made LaMarcus the number 1 priority last season, or Kawhi before that.
In my opinion the only things that Riley took a misstep on was that he sacrificed a roster spot on this year's squad, just to sign Joe Johnson a week early and he grossly overestimated Wade's maturity. Can't believe that I live in a world where offering 21millon U.S. dollars per year to a 35yo sg is code for letting a player walk.
I for one hope that we are done with the whole fake "sacrifice" discounts. The players have turned sacrificed discounts, that were motivated by winning, into a back ended loan. And in the end, it just hangs negativity over the franchise's head. I used to like the "sacrifices", but now these players want their cake and eat it to.
When those targets failed Dallas gave Dirk his money, a 38 year old PF. Dallas also NEVER asked DIrk to take any discounts throughout his prime.
Overestimated maturity? What discounts did Kobe ever give? He has 5 rings. This building through capspace BS is just a code word for cheap. And that era is over
Hallstar wrote:CanesHeatFins wrote:kyphi wrote:I'm sure Riley regrets letting Wade walk, but he took him for granted. Wade willingly took less money for how many seasons, and then the Heat make Whiteside (whom I so WANT to succeed) a priority. LeBron saying how great it was to be home during the same period. It turned into a hot mess with Wade (will ALWAYS love him for what he accomplished in Miami).
So now it's time for the Heat money to show up for the Heat Nation. We play the best we have as shown in the past.
This incoming rant is not directed at you kyphi
Dirk didn't get his panties in a bunch when Dallas made Hassan their number 1 target this offseason nor did he when they made Deandre Jordan the # 1 priority last season and Parsons before that.
Also Tim Duncan didn't go full diva when the Spurs made LaMarcus the number 1 priority last season, or Kawhi before that.
In my opinion the only things that Riley took a misstep on was that he sacrificed a roster spot on this year's squad, just to sign Joe Johnson a week early and he grossly overestimated Wade's maturity. Can't believe that I live in a world where offering 21millon U.S. dollars per year to a 35yo sg is code for letting a player walk.
I for one hope that we are done with the whole fake "sacrifice" discounts. The players have turned sacrificed discounts, that were motivated by winning, into a back ended loan. And in the end, it just hangs negativity over the franchise's head. I used to like the "sacrifices", but now these players want their cake and eat it to.
When those targets failed Dallas gave Dirk his money, a 38 year old PF. Dallas also NEVER asked DIrk to take any discounts throughout his prime.
Overestimated maturity? What discounts did Kobe ever give? He has 5 rings. This building through capspace BS is just a code word for cheap. And that era is over
CanesHeatFins wrote:In a weak attempt to stay on the thread topic, I'll ad an random hassan opinion. How the Heck does Hassan's 2k rating drop after the season he had, and three points lower than KAT. The conspiracy theory in me is thinking that they're trying to bait Hassan into a classic 2k rant for some free publicity.
CanesHeatFins wrote:Hallstar wrote:CanesHeatFins wrote:
This incoming rant is not directed at you kyphi
Dirk didn't get his panties in a bunch when Dallas made Hassan their number 1 target this offseason nor did he when they made Deandre Jordan the # 1 priority last season and Parsons before that.
Also Tim Duncan didn't go full diva when the Spurs made LaMarcus the number 1 priority last season, or Kawhi before that.
In my opinion the only things that Riley took a misstep on was that he sacrificed a roster spot on this year's squad, just to sign Joe Johnson a week early and he grossly overestimated Wade's maturity. Can't believe that I live in a world where offering 21millon U.S. dollars per year to a 35yo sg is code for letting a player walk.
I for one hope that we are done with the whole fake "sacrifice" discounts. The players have turned sacrificed discounts, that were motivated by winning, into a back ended loan. And in the end, it just hangs negativity over the franchise's head. I used to like the "sacrifices", but now these players want their cake and eat it to.
When those targets failed Dallas gave Dirk his money, a 38 year old PF. Dallas also NEVER asked DIrk to take any discounts throughout his prime.
Overestimated maturity? What discounts did Kobe ever give? He has 5 rings. This building through capspace BS is just a code word for cheap. And that era is over
Dirk only pulled in 10mil last season, so they were able to keep his bird rights, go whale hunting, and and still give him a kobe deal.
I'm way too knowledgeable of the cap and my team for anyone to try and pull the "Wade has never been the highest paid" or that the team asked Wade for a discount. Wade took one discount in his prime and that was a decision he alone made when he wanted to bring back his boy Haslem when they formed the big 3.
The only way to give Wade the 50 million that Chicago wasn't required to give him for some reason, was to either trade off McBob with Winslow or Richardson, summon a wizard to conjure up draft picks to pair with McBob, or ask Hassan on his big pay day to take an approx 20 million discount stretched out over 4yrs to clear off the required extra 5mil per yr to give to Wade.
Or
Wade could've done like Riley wanted(8mil 37mil 27mil) and like Dallas did Dirk....take a low 10-12 millon figure this yr, keep ya bird rights by having a low cap hold, and then get a huge kobe deal that doesn't effect the building of the team.....But all of this is assuming Wade was telling bold face lies when said "it was my decision to be selfish" and "Let’s clear up the notion Pat Riley orchestrated me getting out of in Miami. This(chicago)is a place I wanted to be."
In a weak attempt to stay on the thread topic, I'll ad an random hassan opinion. How the Heck does Hassan's 2k rating drop after the season he had, and three points lower than KAT. The conspiracy theory in me is thinking that they're trying to bait Hassan into a classic 2k rant for some free publicity.