PG Thread: Only Reason To Watch This Year Is KP6

[thebuzzardman]

Agreed, Melo is a forward, not a G. The comparison is not quite apples to apples.

Also, assists aren't a raw indicator of how much you pass.

Carmelo averaged 43 passes a game last year.

That puts him ahead of players like:

Paul George
Kevin Durant
LaMarcus Aldridge
Danilo Gallinari

Wilson Chandler >>>> Gallinari


Just sticking to my theme.

a sharp poke in the eye >>>>>> sexy time with thebuzzardman

have I gone too far this time?

Well, since saying sexy time makes me think that Borat is cornholing me, no.

[thebuzzardman]

I'd like to add that this appears to be the beginning of KP vs Melo and whose team it is.

It wouldn't be RealGM Knicks without "______" VS "______"

That debate isn't going to last long. Plus they're at opposite ends of the spectrum career wise. But come on.. KP wins 9 times out of 10. Ain't nobody going to ride out his last few years with Melo.

Well, true enough. I hope it doesn't go that way and folks enjoy Melo for what he is and was, and see him as helping to groom KP for the future.

[K_ick_God]

Not only do we need JoNo healthy but he needs to be the one to take charge of the D and get it up to par between him, KP and C-Lee.

[Phish Tank]

one thing I look forward to is having Noah teach KP how to become more of a facilitator. That's the next step Porzingis will and should take.

[AmazingJason]

one thing I look forward to is having Noah teach KP how to become more of a facilitator. That's the next step Porzingis will and should take.

He'll have to steal the ball away from Melo first

I kid, I kid

[Nazrmohamed]

A pinch post ISO is a play in the offense. They ran that play and it calls for Melo to take a pinch post ISO possession. If you don't want the Knicks to run that play then fine but the pinch post ISO play is a staple in the triangle offense. As long as we are running the triangle the weak side pinch post ISO play will be a major point of the offense. That is the flow of the offense. That isn't Melo calling for an ISO and ignoring the team. That is the play the team is running. So in terms of the flow of the offense that is the offense.

If the staff wants him to take less ISO then they need to call more pick and roll and less pinch post ISO. But acting like Melo is breaking the offense by going ISO is false and misguided as the ISO post up is part of the offense.

Well I guess that's where my problem lies. I don't think its a bad play with a Kerr/Fisher/Calderon type of pg. But with Rose and Jennings being penetrators who aren't great shooters I just feel there should be more penetrate and kick.
My comments weren't really about judging Melo based on a preseason game. If anyone wants to accuse me of anything after one preseason game its me finding alot of potential alot of potential in other players and that I can see options that may become stifled with.....I guess the pinch post.
You say its part of the triangle, it's preseason and you gotta perfect your staple play but I hope it gets phased out or reduced in favor of pick and roll, pick and pop and basic penetrate and kick principles. Easy offense.

[ibraheim718]

I'd like to add that this appears to be the beginning of KP vs Melo and whose team it is.

It wouldn't be RealGM Knicks without "______" VS "______"

That debate isn't going to last long. Plus they're at opposite ends of the spectrum career wise. But come on.. KP wins 9 times out of 10. Ain't nobody going to ride out his last few years with Melo.

Well, true enough. I hope it doesn't go that way and folks enjoy Melo for what he is and was, and see him as helping to groom KP for the future.

I'm fine with Noah grooming him. Melo can continue to do his own thing.

[Orange Mamba]

Read on Twitter

BJ wants to stay in NY

[AmazingJason]

Read on Twitter

BJ wants to stay in NY

Hopefully, it's not because he's a shell of his former self and can't get paid elsewhere

[Rotten Apple]

A pinch post ISO is a play in the offense. They ran that play and it calls for Melo to take a pinch post ISO possession. If you don't want the Knicks to run that play then fine but the pinch post ISO play is a staple in the triangle offense. As long as we are running the triangle the weak side pinch post ISO play will be a major point of the offense. That is the flow of the offense. That isn't Melo calling for an ISO and ignoring the team. That is the play the team is running. So in terms of the flow of the offense that is the offense.

If the staff wants him to take less ISO then they need to call more pick and roll and less pinch post ISO. But acting like Melo is breaking the offense by going ISO is false and misguided as the ISO post up is part of the offense.

Well I guess that's where my problem lies. I don't think its a bad play with a Kerr/Fisher/Calderon type of pg. But with Rose and Jennings being penetrators who aren't great shooters I just feel there should be more penetrate and kick.
My comments weren't really about judging Melo based on a preseason game. If anyone wants to accuse me of anything after one preseason game its me finding alot of potential alot of potential in other players and that I can see options that may become stifled with.....I guess the pinch post.
You say its part of the triangle, it's preseason and you gotta perfect your staple play but I hope it gets phased out or reduced in favor of pick and roll, pick and pop and basic penetrate and kick principles. Easy offense.

You cannot run the same thing all game, you have to be able to mix it up. Again y'all doing way too much over a preseason game sheesh. KP got the same shot on Capela and everyone lost their mind.

[Kampuchea]

D'Antoni, the one we let get away.

[postcall]

Make no mistake about it, Melo will be the most critiqued Knick this season. Especially if Rose and KP do their part offensively.

The only way Melo avoids any heavy criticism is if he starts the season strong and is efficient from the floor. I have defended Melo ever since he arrived here, but I got my eye on him this year and will criticize the hell out of him if he starts taking ill-advised shots and isnt effective as he should be.

He's got real talent around him. Its put up or shut up time. Its only pre-season so idc how badly he shoots from the floor, but those 4-13 type of nights shouldnt happen often once the games count.

He has the capability to do it. He's done it on the Olympic team and he did a better job of being a distributor in the 1st half of last season. Something that hurts him when he does the ISOs is that he never developed the ability to drive-and-kick or pass while in motion. Once he makes his move, the shot is going up no matter how many guys he has to get it over. His good passing usually comes out of a double-team while at a standstill or in the process of doing a post-up.

To me, the way he can help this team the most is as a spot-up shooter, and a catch-and-shoot guy...he is so deadly at it. And if the shot clock is running down, we can use him as a bail-out option.

So basically what Mike D Antoni wanted him to do

[blueNorange]

Melo does have a tendency to turn into this guy



No Sharrington

god dammit that was such a great nickname.

[dakomish23]

Didn't take long for the soapbox squadron to come out.

Next good Melo game, everyone's quiet and hiding.

[dakomish23]

It's probably not a fair comparison since all those guys are better than Melo, but they all played with trash teammates as well. When MJ was scoring 37 with absolute trash teammates, he was still passing more than Melo. When Kobe was getting 35 a game with Smush fcking Parker, he was passing more than Melo. When Iverson's second option was Eric Snow, he was still passing more than Melo.

They're also all guards. I'd hope they'd f*cking pass more than Melo.

That said, Melo has had a tendency to have the ball stick. He's been much better about it. I don't count iso's where the play is clearly INTENDED to iso Melo, just like EVERY team does with it's top scorer who isn't a guard, pretty much. And then even great guards get iso's. That said, there are usually a couple of possessions per game where I wish Melo gave it up, instead of held it and shot it. Oh well.

Agreed, Melo is a forward, not a G. The comparison is not quite apples to apples.

Also, assists aren't a raw indicator of how much you pass.

Carmelo averaged 43 passes a game last year.

That puts him ahead of players like:

Paul George
Kevin Durant
LaMarcus Aldridge
Danilo Gallinari

Perception used to get on soapbox > reality

This past game, he lived up to perception. The overwhelming majority of games he won't, but that won't stop the soapbox squadron.

He was terrible. He forced the issue a lot. You could tell he wasn't comfortable with the lack of spacing and movement off the ball. Very few of his attempts seemed to come within the flow of the game.

I think a lot of that changes if they finally do more of what everyone hopes for - the KP DRose PnR. He can be a floor spacer off that action for open shots in rhythm. I hope they use Melo as the roll man as well. Mix up the ISO post options so he can get rhythm. That's the best bet for a player like Melo IMO. Once he's in a groove, I think you'll see more of Dad Melo.

[j4remi]

Melo's ISO's in that first game were pretty bad. A combination of tunnel vision, forcing things and not knocking down jumpers he normally would. But there was less doubling over on him than usual and I would suspect that if he keeps getting that type of "real isolation", he'll do a lot more damage in those same situations. When teams start cheating off their men, that's when his passing tends to shine the most. I think he'll also pass more as the off ball movement improves and he gets more comfortable with his teammates. He had a bad game, no doubt, but I wouldn't panic and if his mentality from last year hasn't changed than there's nothing to worry about...he was a good passer last year period.

[Adelheid]

I think Melo should position himself a little bit more closer to the basket rather than the pinch post that he likes alot. In that way, he can actuality use his guile/spin towards the rim and he is just going to be just a few steps away. Much easier compared to the pinch post where he always ends up jacking bricks when he cant go past his man.

[aromeoj]

You guys are all funny...everyone looked subpar except for KP...

Melo actually had 2 bonehead plays in my opinion. The long three when there was no reason to shoot and the drive were he tried to run through the defender. Even that was probably not a foul, but the refs love calling it on Melo.

It was the first game, and as Horny said and the players said as well is that there was no defensive scheme. Best thing i heard was that the players and coaches were on the same page and communicating the same things to media. Horny during the game ran a couple sets one which he kept calling out which was called "Power". So this game was just a scrimmage (pre-season game). Not to worry about defense and just trying some things on offense.

This is not like LeBron going to Miami but it took them time to gel...let this thing marinate for a bit, and then tell the Chef the dish sucks.

[aromeoj]

We also missed a ton of easy shot sin the first quarter...open looks that should drop but no one wants to talk about that...and how our guards made it so ppl were open.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Melo is the last guy I am worried about this preseason. You know what you are going to get from him. If we want to make the playoffs, we are going to need more then 1 go to scorer.