The Official Lin Net Thread

[Prokorov]

Alot of Nets fans who are somewhat skeptical of Lin needs proof with their own eyes that Lin can hang on D and that he's not the TO machine he was touted in the past. That's cool, as long as they keep an open mind and give Lin a chance let things fall as they may. Us longtime Lin fans have been waiting for the day a team will give the reins to Lin to do his thing. If you've got faith in Lin, then all is well, Lins got his chance to shine, its gut check time no more excuses.

i dont think nets fans doubt lins skill.

i think lin fans overestimate how good this team is lin is coming to. we would need lebron or curry or durant to turn this into a 55+ win team by themselves.

i think lin will have his best year. i also think we win about 25 games with him doing that

[GoodDayLa]

Alot of Nets fans who are somewhat skeptical of Lin needs proof with their own eyes that Lin can hang on D and that he's not the TO machine he was touted in the past. That's cool, as long as they keep an open mind and give Lin a chance let things fall as they may. Us longtime Lin fans have been waiting for the day a team will give the reins to Lin to do his thing. If you've got faith in Lin, then all is well, Lins got his chance to shine, its gut check time no more excuses.

i dont think nets fans doubt lins skill.

i think lin fans overestimate how good this team is lin is coming to. we would need lebron or curry or durant to turn this into a 55+ win team by themselves.

i think lin will have his best year. i also think we win about 25 games with him doing that

Lol your post shows exactly how much u under value Lin. How ironic.

You just single handedly affirmed Vae Victus' post of just how badly someone like you as a Net fan underestimates Jeremy Lin having not closely paid attention to his abilty and his games. It's a full time job so dont blame you.

Eventually you will wonder how the Nets made the playoffs. Lins stats may not even look that great at 14-17 ppg,4-7 apg, 3-5 rbs but he will be why they do.

[qiantom]

I don't really think of Lin as a creative passer, or really a passing PG, more of a scoring PG.
His career high in assists for a season is only 6.1 and 4.4 for his career. His career high in a game is 14 and only had 23 game in his career with 10 or more assists.

Have to look at the numbers in context though. Having 6.1 assists playing alongside Harden is quite a lot.

You are right in the sense that he has been playing more like a scoring PG or combo guard probably since his first year in Houston, but it is largely because it was the role he was asked to fill in. That's why Coach talks about adjusting him back into the PG role. Hope they can find a good balance between him scoring and passing, which I think Lin is capable of and the team needs it.

[Aussiemongoose]

Lol your post shows exactly how much u under value Lin. How ironic.

You just single handedly affirmed Vae Victus' post of just how badly someone like you as a Net fan underestimates Jeremy Lin having not closely paid attention to his abilty and his games. It's a full time job so dont blame you.

Eventually you will wonder how the Nets made the playoffs. Lins stats may not even look that great at 14-17 ppg,4-7 apg, 3-5 rbs but he will be why they do.

Some of you guys make me chuckle. I'm a Lin fan myself and I wish the best for him, for this season. However sometimes I get the feeling that for some fans Lin is not only a basketball player, but a god. I mean can he do wrong?
I'm not saying I know how the outcome will be, but when some of you talk of the future it just sounds so absolute.
To elaborate, I'll exagerate for a moment: "Just wait and see Lin will bring us to the promised land (if Brook rolls to the basket, even earlier;-) and will bring home a championship (next year at the latest)".
I mean, just try to be more realistic. Lin is a great player, he makes his teammates better. From my point of view he might, though not very realistic (only if some other players surprise us), even get this team to the playoffs.
I agree his stats will drastically improve, his turnovers will increase a bit (but thats ok, if he has the ball in his hands that much) and we will see lots of beautiful unselfish basketball, but don't expect too much in the sense of many wins. The other NBA teams are no scrubs. If Lin has another Cinderella story I will enjoy it just the same. Just don't forget, JLin is mortal

[anthoang]

Lin is going to have to carry this back court, especially if Yogi doesnt make the team.

Whitehead cant be the primary ball handler for long stretches. Jennings was all up in his ish and exposed him somewhat.

Harris has looked good off the ball but he is a weak ball handler for a SG and cant be paired with Whitehead. The same goes for Bogs at SG and RHJ.

Vasquez was playing back to the basket from the perimeter yesterday like he was Mark Jackson. He isnt a PG anymore IMO.

Yogi is the only guy who looks the part of a true PG. He also has a lot of the attributes that Lin has in that he can break a defense with his drives and he was hitting people with crisp passes once he collapsed the D.

You are saying Mark Jackson wasn't a PG?

Not in todays NBA. Name a PG who has to play like that who is successful?

Shaun Livingston plays with his back to the basket. But being "successful" is subjective since he's backing up Steph Curry.


The Vegas betting odds have the Nets wining the least amount of games of all the teams. That means the world thinks very lowly of the Nets. If the Nets come close to 30 wins, they've proven their doubters wrong.

[Prokorov]

Alot of Nets fans who are somewhat skeptical of Lin needs proof with their own eyes that Lin can hang on D and that he's not the TO machine he was touted in the past. That's cool, as long as they keep an open mind and give Lin a chance let things fall as they may. Us longtime Lin fans have been waiting for the day a team will give the reins to Lin to do his thing. If you've got faith in Lin, then all is well, Lins got his chance to shine, its gut check time no more excuses.

i dont think nets fans doubt lins skill.

i think lin fans overestimate how good this team is lin is coming to. we would need lebron or curry or durant to turn this into a 55+ win team by themselves.

i think lin will have his best year. i also think we win about 25 games with him doing that

Lol your post shows exactly how much u under value Lin. How ironic.

You just single handedly affirmed Vae Victus' post of just how badly someone like you as a Net fan underestimates Jeremy Lin having not closely paid attention to his abilty and his games. It's a full time job so dont blame you.

Eventually you will wonder how the Nets made the playoffs. Lins stats may not even look that great at 14-17 ppg,4-7 apg, 3-5 rbs but he will be why they do.

saying lin doesnt have lebron/durant/curry type impact is no way undervaluing him.

VERY few guys have the ability to add 20+ wins to a teams total.

-we are coming off 21 wins.
-dead last in defense
-bottom 10 in offense

you could add a first team all-nba player and concievably not add 20+ wins. let along someone like lin, who at best probably is not first team all-nba

[GoodDayLa]

There's no packs. It's just multiple individuals happen to be online, have read your post and decided to respond. I don't think anyone mentioned race, or did any personal attack; except for you.

BTW, I think Lin got a bad rep on D probably cuz he was playing for MDA, McFail and BS. He played very good D for GSW and the Hornets. Pretty sure he'll be fine with KA.

IMO Lin is a pretty creative passer but he needs sympathetic coach and teammates to cut and catch his passes. He also doesn't have enough awareness of where his opponents are. That leads to a lot of TOs and for the past year, he has been trying to play conservatively. If he can get those two things right, watch out!

I am a big Lin fan but cannot agree he is a creative passer. Lin is an elite offensive pressure guard with a top NBA level first step. This advantage predicates his entire game and he's smart enough to make the proper read most times in these situations and not forcing too much. Plus he's worked hard to be an effective 3 point shooter with the ability to get hot when on. It's a scary weapon he has when properly harnessed and I suspect it will be this season.

That's cool. Why don't you think he's a creative passer tho? He regularly did those wrap around passes, alley-oops, touchdown passes, no-look, thread-the-needle bounce passes, give and go etc. He toned it down quite a bit in Charlotte that's for sure. His problem is more like he isn't focused enough on protecting the ball, got TOs and become timid.

Sympathetic teammates? You mean a scheme that caters to Lin based on coaching.

That's surely not bad, but being good is good enough; more importantly teammates who cut to spaces when Lin creates and/or sees an opening rather than standing around like in Houston.

Anyways, welcome!

I dont think Lin is creative in passing. I think he just knows how to attack defenses with his PnR skill and first step drives and then he's very good at reading the situation and deciding whether to score or pass or do something else.

Creative is also tough to define. We may think about it differently. J. Will of Sacramento was a creative passer to me. Kyrie Irving is a creative dribbler, and for me, Jlin is not though Lin is totally competent at NBA dribbling and very effective with the ball.

Effectiveness and creativity are 2 different things for me. Lin is effective and makes the right play almost to the point of being methodical. And thus for me that loses creativity. It's a subjective call.

As to good coaching, I agree with you. Some guys need to cut, some guys need to stay on the corner 3s to space, but I understand what you mean is probably that Lin needs to develop ESP with certain teammates so they know when to break plays and get open to make things work with Lin when play #1 breaks down like how a receiver comes back to his QB or breaks the route to go long when a play breaks down in football. I get that as well. I think Lin will get that simply because he is the alpha dog guard on his team this year.

[GoodDayLa]

Well, I believe defense is by far the most important. Even teams that a normal person believes they stink on defense play defense. Just because they give up a ton points a night plays defense does not mean they don't play defense. It just the matter of what type of tempo the team is playing. Like how much shot opportunities the whole team will get. For example, Mike D'antoni the father of the modern basketball of today's game plays defense. The uptempo system is type system that relies on heat check. HIs game plan is to play high pressure defense until his team hits a run and get out of control on offense. Once they get a comfortable lead. That's when they start run n' gun. So every time the other team scores the players will leak and try to run to try to get an easy bucket to make the deficit even. That will lead to teams to set up try score again on a half-court situation. That's a type of defense on the scoreboard. This is just rinse and repeat system that worked great at the time he was reining. It just became predictable which is why teams adjust and why he is not a good coach anymore. Nowadays that doesn't work, since most team adjusted to the modern NBA. Anyway, my point is in today's NBA you just can't play on one side of the court to win. You have to play every single facet of the game. The good thing is, Atkinson's defensive scheme looks very strong. When I was watching the Pistons game It looks very strong. I think the only thing we will lack is how we slow down the game. Will our players be smart enough to adapt towards what's going on? This is the type of question that will be answer when the season starts.

As for athletic bigs rolling towards the basket, that will always be covered with other players. For example, if Lin and Brook do a pick n pop, that will leave the driving lane open. They can always have a play where they have man on the corner backdoor, or in the side key to cut. That covers up the spacing in that side of the court which leads to the same impact as a big man rolling in. Yeah the defensive big man can always leak out of Brook to cover up the driving lane. However that leaves Brook wide open. So at the end of the day, it will lead to how Lin reads the defense make the right decision to either drive in or pass out to the options he has. This is why it's not necessary. It will all lead on Lin's decision making.

This team can still win with that system on how much Lin can adapt for what the type of personell he has on the court. I.e. Lin's decision making will be key.

I think Mike D'Antoni is still a good X & O offensive coach. For me, he's a suspect player personality manager especially with big NBA stars. I think Houston will definitely win over 45 games this season. Playoff contender? Probably not but they'll score & make the playoffs pretty easy. So I think it's possible, but the Nets dont have the right players for an MDA type offense anyways aside from Lin and a couple others.

I agree defense matters. All good teams are decent at both ends. We all know the Nets are a team that need to be decent on both ends to eek out wins due to marginal NBA talent level overall on this roster.

Personally, I think it's very suboptimal for Lin to play without a mobile diving tall and long big who is somewhat physical. I've seen the Lakers season when Lin played with floating PnR artists in Boozer and Jordan Hill and Wes Johnson could cut from the baseline. It was terrible, ineffective, and stifled Lin's ability, collapsed the floor spacing, and made the team marginal. When Ed Davis was in, Lin and the team was on another level. It freed up the floor in a way that caters to Lin's skill set and opened up the drives. Lin could attack or dump off. Wes's man would have to run over to cover Lin on many open drives where Lin could kick it to someone for a wide open 3.

My personal opinion- if the offense is mostly Brook fading on PnR and shooting open 17-20 foot jump shots all day, this team is going to stink. Just my opinion.

Luckily, I think Coach Atkinson gets all of this and knows Lin better than us all. And he knows Lin must be dynamic for the Nets to win games. I'm not that worried.

I think D'antoni is a step behind in comparison to all the modern coaches that are all coming out now (i.e. Quin Snyder, Mike Malone,Budenholzer, Brad Stevens, Luke Walton, Jeff Hornacek, and Kerr). I'm leaving out Thibs, Vogel, Stan Van Gundy, and Clifford because they don't push the tempo as much as the other guys but they are easily a better coach than him. Honestly, the only coaches that he is subpar or better than is JKidd, Tyrone Lue, Dwayne Casey, Brett Brown, Spo, Gentry, and Hoiberg.

I believe the Rockets will have a losing record this year. IMO the Beard is a little overrated from the numbers he puts up. I think he gets most of his stats from transitions. He does not try on defense. He is a good player I just don't think he is top 10 in the league. He will have a very hard time being that he is the only good offensive player they have. Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson will also get there numbers. However, I don't see anyone of these players try on the other side of the floor. Some people are high on Clint Capela I never really seen him play so I can't really judge. There defense will be atrocious though. If you ask me, they are just as good as the Nets. Which is a 30 win team. We might be better though because Atkinson is still a question mark as a coach.

As for Lin, PNR. I think Brook will hold out. He won't get you those crazy highlight reel plays but he is a decent enough roll man. Lin will just have to get use to how Brook wants to get fed from the roll.

Interesting take. We value Mike D'Antoni differently. I think Mike is going to have a very good regular season team that gets a 4-7 seed and maybe wins 1 round and then is done. In Houston, MDA only has Harden. He doesn't have to manage a big 2 or 3. He has a Big 1 and Mike does well with that. Always has.

I don't see how the Houston Rockets will have a bad year barring injury to Harden or Ryan Anderson. All you need is 1 good offensive player in Harden to make that engine go. As long as he is healthy and so is Anderson, they will be fine and win 40+ easy.
They'll even blow out the bottom feeders. Can they compete with the Warriors and class teams? No I doubt it though they may steal some regular season games.

I understand defense wins championships. But I am not talking about that. You can be a top 5 offense, a #20 defense and win 40 games. But I suspect Houston will be a top 7 offense and a top 16 defense simply based on how well they score so their defense will be inflated due to the pressure other teams feel to keep up in the score offensively. And I base this on a long tenure of watching basketball and seeing how things shake out year after year. I could definitely be wrong, but I am more confident in the Rockets making the playoffs than I am of the Nets, and I believe Lin will get the Nets to the playoffs.

I enjoy posting on these types of sites so we can keep track of our thoughts and look back a year or 2 later to see how things turn out.

By the way, I don't like Harden or his game, but I'm just calling it how I see it.

[GoodDayLa]

I strongly disagree with this statement. If that was the case, you don't need to get guys like Lin, Foye, Scola, or Vasquez. You can just get Gary Neal or Brandon Jennings on a low ball 1 year deal while letting the rookies play max minutes to develop the new kids like what the Lakers are doing this season rolling it out for the young guns to go on a development year.

I disagree. Having veterans around your young guys is EXTREMELY important. Not having solid vets around is the quickest way to have your young guys develop bad habits, and being forced into roles they are not ready for. having Lin and Brook is important. guys who can get shots, create offense so that young guys arent forced into big volume they arent ready for.

Having rookies play max minutes is not a good way to develop players, other then high lotto picks who are ready for that sort of thing.

The Nets are not doing that. For one, there's no purpose in tanking since they got no picks.

Putting development ahead of winning is not the same as tanking. to VERY different things

I see what you are saying. I agree to some extent. I also think Kenny is ambitious and will try to do both. But I do believe they will want to be competitive meaning, if its 85-85 with 3 minutes to go, Scola is probably getting the minutes over Chris Mac for experience or development's sake. In a 20 point blowout either way? Yeah I'm sure the young guys get to play those minutes for experience.

Second, you don't sign Lin for 3 years and get Foye and backup vets like Vasquez and Scola (not big fans of either V or S but they are vets with history esp. Scola) and play them in the preseason as much as they have if you are planning on the youth movement.

Sure you do, as mentioned you need a mixed enviornment for proper development... Lin is also 28 like brook. they are part of the future. in 2-3 years they will still be in their primes.

My personal opinion is they will try to develop but will play vets more to start the season and if the team is winning, the vets will get to keep playing over the young guys especially in the crunch of close games. If the team is 5-25, yeah I think at that point Scola and Foye are not playing at all and the young guys will get all the minutes to develop. But if they are 22-25 within 3 games of the playoffs? I think development takes a back seat. AGain, personal opinion.

The guys playing in preseason are the vets. The only new kid is RHJ. Everyone else is an old timer player playing much of the preseason or at least have 2-4 seasons. That's because the Nets plan to be competitive and try to win.

EVERYONE is playing in preseason. like legit all 15 guys. the point is for atkinson to get a glimpse at everyone. this is his first time seeing any of these guys in real action.

Sure I can agree with that.

For anyone thinking this is a redevelopment year or that the Nets can't get that 7th or 8th seed, its because they have never really followed or watched Jeremy Lin that closely. Nets fans thinking this year will be 20-30 wins believe Lin is a 2nd rate point guard on the level of Ramon Sessions, Jarrett Jack, or worse. Boy are these Nets fans in for a pleasant surprise. You got to look beyond his airball layups and jumpers and his unorthodox movements and see the results. It's too easy to get stuck on those things I admit.

Tell that to the GM and coach, who said this is a process and a development year. im not saying they cant win some games and suprise. but the focus is absolutely on development first, winning second.

We're both right till we're not. I see your point. You could be right. I personally think the Nets expect to be much more than developmental. I think they're tempering expectations in the public eye and will wait to see what they are. They don't get an extra pat on the back for coming out and sounding like morons claiming they will make the playoffs when Vegas has them winning 20 games. Lin gives a lot of tells if you follow him. By him not answering how many games they'll win is Lin wanting to say they will be a playoff team and win over 40 and Marks and the front office being smart enough to know you don't need to say that out loud to prove anything to anyone unless you are a "delusional Lin fan" trying to prove your point, like I'm trying to do.

Lin cannot do it alone. He's not a singular talent. But he has game changing ability. His talents require a team based game and then he'll use his hyper quickness and pick and roll savvy just enough to create headaches for other teams and eek out wins. That's what the Nets have.

Granted Lin needs to play almost all the games for them to be competitive. Otherwise, I think this team is going to stink.

Lin will play every game he is healthy for. he will start every game. we will probably not be very good either way

If Lin plays, the Nets will be good. The only way to prove this is to talk on this again when the season ends.

I expect a playoff birth regardless as long as Lin is playing most of the games. This is not delusion talking. Who am I? Just an NBA fan. But this is coming from someone who follows the NBA closely well before Kenny A and D Coleman were doing there thing with Drazen. I've seen enough to know what Lin can do with a team supporting him and built to give him some freedom, as this team is poised to do.

Playoffs would be great... but for me i care more about the young guys developing, atkinson building a culture, and the team playing 100% on a nightly basis. anything on top of that is gravy

I agree with you. What you say sounds reasonable and rational. I also agree the young guys must develop and you develop with playing time and good mentorship.

I'm hoping the way the season plays out is that the vets right the ship and by mid season more of the young guns get minutes. it's a long season and so I'm hoping once the culture has been established after 20-30 games by the vets with Lin and Brook leading the way, the rest will follow and everyone will be confident with the Nets being about .500 after 30 games.

If they can get to .500 after 30 games, they will be even better the next 50. My opinion.

I'm hoping to create a track record starting now to dispel the notion that Jeremy Lin got better at bball or improved his shot this summer. He's the same kid he's always been since he was in high school. And I'm going out on a limb trying to prove a point that probably really doesn't matter but one I believe in which is he's been handcuffed all these years since Linsanity.

So if they make the playoffs, I'm hoping some of my points about him being shackled at prior stops will be vindicated. If they miss the playoffs with Lin playing almost all the games, I am just a Lin homer who will acknowledge Lin isn't that good & I will stop carrying on and over touting Lin's ability on the basketball court.

And I certainly will if the Nets do not make the playoffs while Lin plays almost all the games injury free.

However, I have to make my point clear here now early on, so Nets fans cannot accuse me of being a bandwagon Lin fan who said I told you so after the fact.

[GoodDayLa]

You are saying Mark Jackson wasn't a PG?

Not in todays NBA. Name a PG who has to play like that who is successful?

Shaun Livingston plays with his back to the basket. But being "successful" is subjective since he's backing up Steph Curry.


The Vegas betting odds have the Nets wining the least amount of games of all the teams. That means the world thinks very lowly of the Nets. If the Nets come close to 30 wins, they've proven their doubters wrong.

Shaun Livingston is phenomenal. He can dunk, spring for lob dunks, post up, and really hit the midrange on other PGs. He can also drive being a wiry framed guy. And Shaun doesn't force things. Grievas is like the opposite shooting flat 3's hoping they go in and forcing everything he does.

Greivas will look better once he has better parts around him. I thought he played too much 2 man ball with Scola in game 1. He hardly passed to anyone else.

I'll give him 3 more preseason games to get his act together.

[GoodDayLa]

Lol your post shows exactly how much u under value Lin. How ironic.

You just single handedly affirmed Vae Victus' post of just how badly someone like you as a Net fan underestimates Jeremy Lin having not closely paid attention to his abilty and his games. It's a full time job so dont blame you.

Eventually you will wonder how the Nets made the playoffs. Lins stats may not even look that great at 14-17 ppg,4-7 apg, 3-5 rbs but he will be why they do.

Some of you guys make me chuckle. I'm a Lin fan myself and I wish the best for him, for this season. However sometimes I get the feeling that for some fans Lin is not only a basketball player, but a god. I mean can he do wrong?
I'm not saying I know how the outcome will be, but when some of you talk of the future it just sounds so absolute.
To elaborate, I'll exagerate for a moment: "Just wait and see Lin will bring us to the promised land (if Brook rolls to the basket, even earlier;-) and will bring home a championship (next year at the latest)".
I mean, just try to be more realistic. Lin is a great player, he makes his teammates better. From my point of view he might, though not very realistic (only if some other players surprise us), even get this team to the playoffs.
I agree his stats will drastically improve, his turnovers will increase a bit (but thats ok, if he has the ball in his hands that much) and we will see lots of beautiful unselfish basketball, but don't expect too much in the sense of many wins. The other NBA teams are no scrubs. If Lin has another Cinderella story I will enjoy it just the same. Just don't forget, JLin is mortal

If Jeremy Lin cannot get this Nets team AS IS to the playoffs should he play in over 75+ games, he is an overrated scrub living off his 2 minutes of fame as a New York Knick back in 2012. Quote me on that.

[DeRoma]

I think Mike D'Antoni is still a good X & O offensive coach. For me, he's a suspect player personality manager especially with big NBA stars. I think Houston will definitely win over 45 games this season. Playoff contender? Probably not but they'll score & make the playoffs pretty easy. So I think it's possible, but the Nets dont have the right players for an MDA type offense anyways aside from Lin and a couple others.

I agree defense matters. All good teams are decent at both ends. We all know the Nets are a team that need to be decent on both ends to eek out wins due to marginal NBA talent level overall on this roster.

Personally, I think it's very suboptimal for Lin to play without a mobile diving tall and long big who is somewhat physical. I've seen the Lakers season when Lin played with floating PnR artists in Boozer and Jordan Hill and Wes Johnson could cut from the baseline. It was terrible, ineffective, and stifled Lin's ability, collapsed the floor spacing, and made the team marginal. When Ed Davis was in, Lin and the team was on another level. It freed up the floor in a way that caters to Lin's skill set and opened up the drives. Lin could attack or dump off. Wes's man would have to run over to cover Lin on many open drives where Lin could kick it to someone for a wide open 3.

My personal opinion- if the offense is mostly Brook fading on PnR and shooting open 17-20 foot jump shots all day, this team is going to stink. Just my opinion.

Luckily, I think Coach Atkinson gets all of this and knows Lin better than us all. And he knows Lin must be dynamic for the Nets to win games. I'm not that worried.

I think D'antoni is a step behind in comparison to all the modern coaches that are all coming out now (i.e. Quin Snyder, Mike Malone,Budenholzer, Brad Stevens, Luke Walton, Jeff Hornacek, and Kerr). I'm leaving out Thibs, Vogel, Stan Van Gundy, and Clifford because they don't push the tempo as much as the other guys but they are easily a better coach than him. Honestly, the only coaches that he is subpar or better than is JKidd, Tyrone Lue, Dwayne Casey, Brett Brown, Spo, Gentry, and Hoiberg.

I believe the Rockets will have a losing record this year. IMO the Beard is a little overrated from the numbers he puts up. I think he gets most of his stats from transitions. He does not try on defense. He is a good player I just don't think he is top 10 in the league. He will have a very hard time being that he is the only good offensive player they have. Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson will also get there numbers. However, I don't see anyone of these players try on the other side of the floor. Some people are high on Clint Capela I never really seen him play so I can't really judge. There defense will be atrocious though. If you ask me, they are just as good as the Nets. Which is a 30 win team. We might be better though because Atkinson is still a question mark as a coach.

As for Lin, PNR. I think Brook will hold out. He won't get you those crazy highlight reel plays but he is a decent enough roll man. Lin will just have to get use to how Brook wants to get fed from the roll.

Interesting take. We value Mike D'Antoni differently. I think Mike is going to have a very good regular season team that gets a 4-7 seed and maybe wins 1 round and then is done. In Houston, MDA only has Harden. He doesn't have to manage a big 2 or 3. He has a Big 1 and Mike does well with that. Always has.

I don't see how the Houston Rockets will have a bad year barring injury to Harden or Ryan Anderson. All you need is 1 good offensive player in Harden to make that engine go. As long as he is healthy and so is Anderson, they will be fine and win 40+ easy.
They'll even blow out the bottom feeders. Can they compete with the Warriors and class teams? No I doubt it though they may steal some regular season games.

I understand defense wins championships. But I am not talking about that. You can be a top 5 offense, a #20 defense and win 40 games. But I suspect Houston will be a top 7 offense and a top 16 defense simply based on how well they score so their defense will be inflated due to the pressure other teams feel to keep up in the score offensively. And I base this on a long tenure of watching basketball and seeing how things shake out year after year. I could definitely be wrong, but I am more confident in the Rockets making the playoffs than I am of the Nets, and I believe Lin will get the Nets to the playoffs.

I enjoy posting on these types of sites so we can keep track of our thoughts and look back a year or 2 later to see how things turn out.

By the way, I don't like Harden or his game, but I'm just calling it how I see it.

Yeah I would think most people believes the Rockets will make the playoffs given their recent history. I definitely have a more radical thought process towards the Heat. I just don't think it's a good idea to have an all out offensive mentality with the staff and players. I really believe they will finish last on defense or at least in the bottom 5. This is why I can't see them winning. There are teams that are capable of scoring yet they don't make the playoffs because their defense is just horrid. Maybe if Harden is a true PG I would think he can get their team to mesh well together and play as unit but that would never happen. Only way I see them winning is if, Tyler Ennis becomes a surprise player become a pretty good PG. I know Harden has some PG attribute but he doesn't have a mentality to make other players to play better. Anyway this is my 2 cent towards Houston. Off to watch the Nets.

Yeah it's definitely fun posting your thoughts. BTW, I'm pretty good at predicting. I'm right most of the time . Not to brag. The only time i'm wrong is in the Nets record. I can never get that right probably the homer in me towards the nets .

[bws94]

i dont think nets fans doubt lins skill.

i think lin fans overestimate how good this team is lin is coming to. we would need lebron or curry or durant to turn this into a 55+ win team by themselves.

i think lin will have his best year. i also think we win about 25 games with him doing that

Lol your post shows exactly how much u under value Lin. How ironic.

You just single handedly affirmed Vae Victus' post of just how badly someone like you as a Net fan underestimates Jeremy Lin having not closely paid attention to his abilty and his games. It's a full time job so dont blame you.

Eventually you will wonder how the Nets made the playoffs. Lins stats may not even look that great at 14-17 ppg,4-7 apg, 3-5 rbs but he will be why they do.

saying lin doesnt have lebron/durant/curry type impact is no way undervaluing him.

VERY few guys have the ability to add 20+ wins to a teams total.

-we are coming off 21 wins.
-dead last in defense
-bottom 10 in offense

you could add a first team all-nba player and concievably not add 20+ wins. let along someone like lin, who at best probably is not first team all-nba

LeBron is one of the best players ever. Curry, arguably best shooter. Durant, a top player. I don't read any devaluing. The season will play out, who will stay healthy and how will they gel? We'll see.

[GoodDayLa]

i dont think nets fans doubt lins skill.

i think lin fans overestimate how good this team is lin is coming to. we would need lebron or curry or durant to turn this into a 55+ win team by themselves.

i think lin will have his best year. i also think we win about 25 games with him doing that

Lol your post shows exactly how much u under value Lin. How ironic.

You just single handedly affirmed Vae Victus' post of just how badly someone like you as a Net fan underestimates Jeremy Lin having not closely paid attention to his abilty and his games. It's a full time job so dont blame you.

Eventually you will wonder how the Nets made the playoffs. Lins stats may not even look that great at 14-17 ppg,4-7 apg, 3-5 rbs but he will be why they do.

saying lin doesnt have lebron/durant/curry type impact is no way undervaluing him.

VERY few guys have the ability to add 20+ wins to a teams total.

-we are coming off 21 wins.
-dead last in defense
-bottom 10 in offense

you could add a first team all-nba player and concievably not add 20+ wins. let along someone like lin, who at best probably is not first team all-nba

Jeremy Lin has the ability to add a lot of wins to a team. i dont know what team NBA he is. But I've seen it over many years now. I saw it last season with the Hornets. He added about 10-12 extra wins but he was not fully used and fully maxed out either which is amazing. The Hornets could have had another 10-12 wins if they played to win instead of controlling egos. I'd say Lin was being used just over about 60-70% of what he can really do.

The hornets did not replace Lin's value and they will be 10 wins worse than last season in my opinion.

I think Lin brings about 15 more wins than expected to the Nets. Most Nets fans see about 30. THat's why I see about 40-45 wins for this team and a #8 seed. They could be higher but a huge plus side trade would probably need to happen for that.

We'll see by season's end.

[bws94]

Lol your post shows exactly how much u under value Lin. How ironic.

You just single handedly affirmed Vae Victus' post of just how badly someone like you as a Net fan underestimates Jeremy Lin having not closely paid attention to his abilty and his games. It's a full time job so dont blame you.

Eventually you will wonder how the Nets made the playoffs. Lins stats may not even look that great at 14-17 ppg,4-7 apg, 3-5 rbs but he will be why they do.

saying lin doesnt have lebron/durant/curry type impact is no way undervaluing him.

VERY few guys have the ability to add 20+ wins to a teams total.

-we are coming off 21 wins.
-dead last in defense
-bottom 10 in offense

you could add a first team all-nba player and concievably not add 20+ wins. let along someone like lin, who at best probably is not first team all-nba

Jeremy Lin has the ability to add a lot of wins to a team. i dont know what team NBA he is. But I've seen it over many years now. I saw it last season with the Hornets. He added about 10-12 extra wins but he was not fully used and fully maxed out either which is amazing. The Hornets could have had another 10-12 wins if they played to win instead of controlling egos. I'd say Lin was being used just over about 60-70% of what he can really do.

The hornets did not replace Lin's value and they will be 10 wins worse than last season in my opinion.

I think Lin brings about 15 more wins than expected to the Nets. Most Nets fans see about 30. THat's why I see about 40-45 wins for this team and a #8 seed. They could be higher but a huge plus side trade would probably need to happen for that.

We'll see by season's end.

How to you say this without seeing any real games yet from this team against different types of competition. I know the pre-season is for evaluation, but so far, this team does not look good.

[TinmanZBoy]

^oh well, i guess it is lot easier to be delusional than to be reasonable

[Tracymcgoaty]

I just gotta post this because this is getting irritating. The reason why forums cant stand having Lin is because of stuff like this. Lin is a good player and here at brooklyn he has a chance to show people what he is made of. Stop saying Lin added 10-12 wins to charlotte when he was there, yes he played a pivotal role last season. And here we are at the nets the season has not even started yet and already some people have playoff aspirations because of what? Lin? im a Lin fan and i know he will be good he is not going to spoil this chance thats why he came here. But dont kid yourselves Lin is going to become Lebron overnight carrying a team only Lebron does that. im happy if he averages 15/8 for god sake those are good numbers. I'll say this if Lin takes this team to the playoffs i'll run around town naked screaming i dont know whats real anymore.

[lin is ok]

Looking at how under developed the team is right now, we might be forced to run a Dantoni style offense. But man.... Lin's body is going to take a beating . Frankly I prefer the system Kenny's running now for the sake of Lin's health.

[GoodDayLa]

saying lin doesnt have lebron/durant/curry type impact is no way undervaluing him.

VERY few guys have the ability to add 20+ wins to a teams total.

-we are coming off 21 wins.
-dead last in defense
-bottom 10 in offense

you could add a first team all-nba player and concievably not add 20+ wins. let along someone like lin, who at best probably is not first team all-nba

Jeremy Lin has the ability to add a lot of wins to a team. i dont know what team NBA he is. But I've seen it over many years now. I saw it last season with the Hornets. He added about 10-12 extra wins but he was not fully used and fully maxed out either which is amazing. The Hornets could have had another 10-12 wins if they played to win instead of controlling egos. I'd say Lin was being used just over about 60-70% of what he can really do.

The hornets did not replace Lin's value and they will be 10 wins worse than last season in my opinion.

I think Lin brings about 15 more wins than expected to the Nets. Most Nets fans see about 30. THat's why I see about 40-45 wins for this team and a #8 seed. They could be higher but a huge plus side trade would probably need to happen for that.

We'll see by season's end.

How to you say this without seeing any real games yet from this team against different types of competition. I know the pre-season is for evaluation, but so far, this team does not look good.

I understand it sounds crazy. I am not Phil Jackson or Pat Riley spouting this to you. All I can tell you is that I will be happy to revisit these thoughts at seasons end.

When the regular season starts, Lin Bojan Brook better be getting 36+ minutes plus a game. I suspect Atkinson is starting RHJ at SF though I prefer he come off the bench and Kenny go with Bennett or Hamilton at the 4 and Booker at 3. I dont love either option but I prefer that over RHJ starting at the 3 with Booker being super small at the 4. Or bring Booker off the bench at the 4 and start Hamilton at the stretch 4. I guess then you have Booker at the 4 and Scola at the 5 as backups.

I think the bench is a mess and if Coach Kenny cleans it up, things will fix itself. I believe Kenny will. I am a proponent of bringing Randy Foye off the bench as a PG. He's steady and can still hit some 3s. Vasquez doesn't have his legs so he can't even shoot in real games right now and clanks floaters off the glass; its really ugly and he is adding nothing currently. Did you see Goran's blow by? But Kenny seems to have faith in him and will give him time to get it back.

Lin Bojan Booker Hamilton Lopez
Foye Skil/Harris RHJ Benett Scola

The talent is lacking for sure, but there's enough, to me at least.

[13th Man]

I like Lin just as much as anyone but there's no way the Nets are winning 45 games or coming close to making the playoffs lol.