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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#941 » by DeanTheDream » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:14 pm

CJackson wrote:
slacker55 wrote:
CJackson wrote::lol:

Trump:

“I am a big fan of Hindu, and I am a big fan of India,” Mr. Trump said, seeming to entangle the faith with the nation. “Big, big fan.”



And let's not forget about "the cyber."


Trump:

"As far as the cyber, I agree to parts of what Secretary Clinton said. We should be better than anybody else, and perhaps we’re not. I don’t think anybody knows that it was Russia that broke into the DNC. She’s saying Russia, Russia, Russia—I don't, maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay?

...

We came in with the Internet. We came up with the Internet. And I think Secretary Clinton and myself would agree very much, when you look at what ISIS is doing with the Internet, they’re beating us at our own game. ISIS.

So we had to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is a huge problem. I have a son—he’s 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers. It’s unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe, it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing. But that’s true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester. And certainly cyber is one of them."


Well Trump must know cyber considering he is the ultimate cyber bully himself


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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#942 » by thebuzzardman » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:19 pm

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I'm not sure if they are specifically part of the "propaganda campaign", but their coverage of working class American's and the class divide it represents is real, and part of what fuels Trump supporters - not everything they believe is pure racism, but more importantly, they aren't the "only" class in America to have racism or ignorance, but that's what the mainstream media tells you.

It's always been ok to bust on poor whites, just right after it's always been ok in this country to sh*t on blacks. Our culture of "individual achievement" makes anything their failure and their failure alone, lets not look at any other causes. And both parties promote this view.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/oct/13/liberal-media-bias-working-class-americans

Hmm. Foreign liberal newspaper writes article calling out American mainstream media liberal bias\class bias.


I don't have the time today to dissect this fully, but a few quick comments.

Yes, American media has traditionally been slanted by the people who run it. Many of them have pahk'd their cahs in Hahvad Yahd. But Bush was Skull & Bones so it cuts both ways in terms of privilege and power.

Regardless, most media outlets gave Trump all the free publicity in the world, not because of equal time egalitarianism, but because it generated eyeballs. Trump was very profitable for the media this election.

And yet regardless of the prior point, the media is also going to snap to attention when their whole livelihood and the rights of the press are threatened. Trump declared war on the press early on, so it is fair play that they report every dirty little nugget he poops out of his mouth. Trump is not just a bully, he is a fascist at direct odds with the principles of freedom of speech so the gloves came off a long time ago and that has more to do with it than blue bloods running CNN.


This article isn't about bias towards Trump, but more the fact that the media in general has less than 2 sh*ts to give to the poor, and poor whites in particular. Article acknowledges the racism of some of his supporters, just wants it known he has middle and upper class supporters and racist attitudes live there as well in same percentages.

It also says that elite conservatives don't really care about the lower classes (big shocker) and they, more than the lower classes, are responsible for the divisive rhetoric, policies etc.

Really just an article trying to be more balanced in regards to what motivates Trumps supporters. I mean, I get it, he has racists and whites who feel disenfranchised from their former existence, right or wrong. But, other than backlash of against having a negro in office for 8 years, plus the republican hijinks of each successive candidate having to be more "extreme" in his anti government stance, something must explain why this guy is pulling 40% of the vote and it can't be his locked up every bubba vote nationwide.

I like articles like this, that really try to understand things. I also tend to try and understand Trump's campaign as if I was trying to quell a counter insurgency - right or wrong, what is motivating these individuals and their loss of faith in the government.

Personal observations, as someone who grew up white working class, served in the military, grew up in NYC, so I have a spectrum of Facebook friends, from WAY conservative to WAY liberal, and everything in between. Post financial crises and the crash, I can tell how unified people WERE in their lack of trust and faith in the government. Of course, for the 4 year clown car/horse race, they've tended to coalesce around their self affirming candidates, even when, amusingly enough, those candidates betray their core values.

But I haven't forgotten that universal distrust. It's still there, but more buried, as people prefer to yell "Hillary! Squawk! Beghazi!" and "Trump!Racist!WhiteTrash!"

What a sh*t show.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#943 » by CJackson » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:36 pm

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CJackson wrote:Well Trump must know cyber considering he is the ultimate cyber bully himself


You are becoming a pathetically close second.


There has yet to be the slightest indication you have any redeeming values as a poster.

You pop up once or twice a week like a malignancy to insult and then slink away.

Your idea of debate is to post hateful diatribes while accusing someone of being hateful.

You are unable to debate so you do what you do.

We have yet to see you compose a thoughtful post that is not a personal attack where you list why you believe what you do.

The way you troll on RealGM defines exactly who you are.

So when you smirk and insult we know you're just doing the only thing you know how to do so I can pity you even if I have no reason to respect you.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#944 » by CJackson » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:43 pm

thebuzzardman wrote:
CJackson wrote:
thebuzzardman wrote:
I'm not sure if they are specifically part of the "propaganda campaign", but their coverage of working class American's and the class divide it represents is real, and part of what fuels Trump supporters - not everything they believe is pure racism, but more importantly, they aren't the "only" class in America to have racism or ignorance, but that's what the mainstream media tells you.

It's always been ok to bust on poor whites, just right after it's always been ok in this country to sh*t on blacks. Our culture of "individual achievement" makes anything their failure and their failure alone, lets not look at any other causes. And both parties promote this view.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/oct/13/liberal-media-bias-working-class-americans

Hmm. Foreign liberal newspaper writes article calling out American mainstream media liberal bias\class bias.


I don't have the time today to dissect this fully, but a few quick comments.

Yes, American media has traditionally been slanted by the people who run it. Many of them have pahk'd their cahs in Hahvad Yahd. But Bush was Skull & Bones so it cuts both ways in terms of privilege and power.

Regardless, most media outlets gave Trump all the free publicity in the world, not because of equal time egalitarianism, but because it generated eyeballs. Trump was very profitable for the media this election.

And yet regardless of the prior point, the media is also going to snap to attention when their whole livelihood and the rights of the press are threatened. Trump declared war on the press early on, so it is fair play that they report every dirty little nugget he poops out of his mouth. Trump is not just a bully, he is a fascist at direct odds with the principles of freedom of speech so the gloves came off a long time ago and that has more to do with it than blue bloods running CNN.


This article isn't about bias towards Trump, but more the fact that the media in general has less than 2 sh*ts to give to the poor, and poor whites in particular. Article acknowledges the racism of some of his supporters, just wants it known he has middle and upper class supporters and racist attitudes live there as well in same percentages.

It also says that elite conservatives don't really care about the lower classes (big shocker) and they, more than the lower classes, are responsible for the divisive rhetoric, policies etc.

Really just an article trying to be more balanced in regards to what motivates Trumps supporters. I mean, I get it, he has racists and whites who feel disenfranchised from their former existence, right or wrong. But, other than backlash of against having a negro in office for 8 years, plus the republican hijinks of each successive candidate having to be more "extreme" in his anti government stance, something must explain why this guy is pulling 40% of the vote and it can't be his locked up every bubba vote nationwide.

I like articles like this, that really try to understand things. I also tend to try and understand Trump's campaign as if I was trying to quell a counter insurgency - right or wrong, what is motivating these individuals and their loss of faith in the government.

Personal observations, as someone who grew up white working class, served in the military, grew up in NYC, so I have a spectrum of Facebook friends, from WAY conservative to WAY liberal, and everything in between. Post financial crises and the crash, I can tell how unified people WERE in their lack of trust and faith in the government. Of course, for the 4 year clown car/horse race, they've tended to coalesce around their self affirming candidates, even when, amusingly enough, those candidates betray their core values.

But I haven't forgotten that universal distrust. It's still there, but more buried, as people prefer to yell "Hillary! Squawk! Beghazi!" and "Trump!Racist!WhiteTrash!"

What a sh*t show.


I was heading out on errands so all I was hoping to point out is that whatever biases exist there really cannot be any expectation that big media companies will take Trump's threats of killing freedom of the press lightly. I was just injecting that the response to a existential threat + profit motive were the dominant forces in the media this cycle.

Even conservative publications that are not of the Breitbart ilk went after Trump because this threat unified the press. I wasn't able to address the full subject matter, because it is so full of storylines as you are clearly saying now and I agree. It has been a gordian knot of undulating solidarities and separations as different forces ripped through the body politic. Are the current polarities true distillations or just the outcome of actual strategic choices? Its a mess
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#945 » by AmazingJason » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:47 pm

slacker55 wrote:
CJackson wrote::lol:

Trump:

“I am a big fan of Hindu, and I am a big fan of India,” Mr. Trump said, seeming to entangle the faith with the nation. “Big, big fan.”



And let's not forget about "the cyber."


Trump:

"As far as the cyber, I agree to parts of what Secretary Clinton said. We should be better than anybody else, and perhaps we’re not. I don’t think anybody knows that it was Russia that broke into the DNC. She’s saying Russia, Russia, Russia—I don't, maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay?

...

We came in with the Internet. We came up with the Internet. And I think Secretary Clinton and myself would agree very much, when you look at what ISIS is doing with the Internet, they’re beating us at our own game. ISIS.

So we had to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is a huge problem. I have a son—he’s 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers. It’s unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe, it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing. But that’s true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester. And certainly cyber is one of them."


I almost spit water out of my mouth listening to that speech about "cyber."

You can pretty much fill in the blank with his quotes about his affection for all races and ethnicities.

“I am a big fan of the ______, and I am a big fan of _______. Big, big fan."

He recently seems to have become a big fan of the African-Americans, the Latinos, and the Hispanics. Big, big fan.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#946 » by CJackson » Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:52 pm

AmazingJason wrote:
slacker55 wrote:
CJackson wrote::lol:

Trump:

“I am a big fan of Hindu, and I am a big fan of India,” Mr. Trump said, seeming to entangle the faith with the nation. “Big, big fan.”



And let's not forget about "the cyber."


Trump:

"As far as the cyber, I agree to parts of what Secretary Clinton said. We should be better than anybody else, and perhaps we’re not. I don’t think anybody knows that it was Russia that broke into the DNC. She’s saying Russia, Russia, Russia—I don't, maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay?

...

We came in with the Internet. We came up with the Internet. And I think Secretary Clinton and myself would agree very much, when you look at what ISIS is doing with the Internet, they’re beating us at our own game. ISIS.

So we had to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is a huge problem. I have a son—he’s 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers. It’s unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe, it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing. But that’s true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester. And certainly cyber is one of them."


I almost spit water out of my mouth listening to that speech about "cyber."

You can pretty much fill in the blank with his quotes about his affection for all races and ethnicities.

“I am a big fan of the ______, and I am a big fan of _______. Big, big fan."

He recently seems to have become a big fan of the African-Americans, the Latinos, and the Hispanics. Big, big fan.


It certainly was a bizarre experience watching him meander. Staying on topic is not a strength of his.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#947 » by CJackson » Mon Oct 17, 2016 12:24 am

Darn, the last debate is on Wednesday which is when the Knicks are in Boston
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#948 » by reub » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:17 am

DrKnick wrote:Don't be a chump. Vote for Trump.


That was just beautiful!
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#949 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:37 am

Cyber is like listening to your ignorant uncle/great uncle after he's had too many at dinner
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#950 » by thebuzzardman » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:41 am

CJackson wrote:
slacker55 wrote:
CJackson wrote:
Well Trump must know cyber considering he is the ultimate cyber bully himself



Yeah. It's bizarre how a presidential candidate can make mistakes like this. W was bad with his "internets." But Trump didn't even know how to spell "choke." He kept calling Marco Rubio a "chock artist" and a "chocker" in one of his Twitter rants.

How can someone that graduated Wharton not know how to spell "choke?"


It is highly improbably that Trump has read a book cover to cover more than dozen times in his life. He has no attention span. There are people with ADHD who are brilliant. He is stupid. He's a silver spoon brat overdosed on ego. Intelligence is something for his lawyers to handle. If he had any discernment he would surround himself with superior minds and take their counsel, but he won't allow it because he is just a big baby with a gold toilet. The idea that he could intelligently delegate as president is comical.


He comes across more canny\cunning, than smart. This, besides the usual liberal tactic to portray every single presidential candidate as dumb. And Trump isn't dumb, more he seems ignorant - very different. And I've hated the liberal schtick of portraying every Republican candidate that way, but this time it seems legit, as least as far as ignorant is concerned. I didn't believe it in the past when they put that tag on Quayle, Bush, Reagan - Sarah Palin, yeah, she's an idiot, pretty much. Trump - he's on her level.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#951 » by CJackson » Mon Oct 17, 2016 1:56 am

thebuzzardman wrote:
CJackson wrote:
slacker55 wrote:

Yeah. It's bizarre how a presidential candidate can make mistakes like this. W was bad with his "internets." But Trump didn't even know how to spell "choke." He kept calling Marco Rubio a "chock artist" and a "chocker" in one of his Twitter rants.

How can someone that graduated Wharton not know how to spell "choke?"


It is highly improbably that Trump has read a book cover to cover more than dozen times in his life. He has no attention span. There are people with ADHD who are brilliant. He is stupid. He's a silver spoon brat overdosed on ego. Intelligence is something for his lawyers to handle. If he had any discernment he would surround himself with superior minds and take their counsel, but he won't allow it because he is just a big baby with a gold toilet. The idea that he could intelligently delegate as president is comical.


He comes across more canny\cunning, than smart. This, besides the usual liberal tactic to portray every single presidential candidate as dumb. And Trump isn't dumb, more he seems ignorant - very different. And I've hated the liberal schtick of portraying every Republican candidate that way, but this time it seems legit, as least as far as ignorant is concerned. I didn't believe it in the past when they put that tag on Quayle, Bush, Reagan - Sarah Palin, yeah, she's an idiot, pretty much. Trump - he's on her level.


Trump and Palin are simply a new low and don't fall into the same categories. Romney was entirely different.

I don't really see much cunning on display though. Yes, he is ignorant and poorly educated despite having all of life's advantages. But I don't see how his cartoon hyperbole qualifies as some kind of media savvy. The Art of the Deal basically described his whole philosophy which is if he keeps saying something is the greatest or the best or really, really big or really, really great then it is. He ain't no Ali saying I'm the greatest. He's a gross clown. Without his silver spoon bankroll that empty confidence would have found him toothless in an alley after getting thrown out of a bar. Let's not forget one of his best friends was Roy Cohn, one of the most savage men in the history of the country. Now he has to settle for a lesser savage in Giuliani. Saying he is media savvy is more of a commentary on the lowered standards of a spectacle driven society than a testament to his acumen.

Trump is a testament to the power of money and celebrity. The Trump logo was not built on esteem and accomplishment but leveraged bank loans. The Trump brand is now a sign of phoniness, not success. If there is any brand left, it is as a psychotic savage revered by blood thirsty people. Maybe he'll be able to milk that for some cash, but the bling value of his name is in ashes.

So he borrowed his way to success and he talked himself into being the biggest laughing stock in America. That shows something, but I don't think it could be called cunning. He is really disconnected from reality and a cunning person picks up on cues. He does not. He just keeps spinning out of control.

Without celebrity, Trump would have never gotten very far in the primaries because a fool like this would have been laughed off the stage, but with celebrity comes the license to be a larger than life cartoon and this country is now operating at a cartoon level.
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Post#952 » by Bill Pidto » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:25 am

CJackson wrote:Darn, the last debate is on Wednesday which is when the Knicks are in Boston


Realizing I have to miss the game..

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Post#953 » by Capn'O » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:08 am

DeanTheDream wrote:You are becoming a pathetically close second.


This post attacked the poster, not the post.

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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#954 » by CJackson » Mon Oct 17, 2016 3:19 am

Bill Pidto wrote:
CJackson wrote:Darn, the last debate is on Wednesday which is when the Knicks are in Boston


Realizing I have to miss the game..

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Watch the game and enjoy yourself. The debate is mostly a theatrical event at this point so choose which one entertains you the most.
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Post#955 » by HarthorneWingo » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:08 am

Welp, John Oliver just obliterated both 3rd party candidates.
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Re: Can Trump wiggle out of this one? 

Post#956 » by BKlutch » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:09 am

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Knicks_Fan2 wrote:Trump fomenting an armed insurrection after he gets wiped out in the election. Ridiculous and dangerous. He is awful.


What is shameful is the press trying to force a President on the country instead of impartially reporting news in a balanced way. That is what goes on in Iran, Cuba and Russia.


What is shameful is that a bunch of know-nothings and racists want a career incompetent, with the attention span of a flea, and deep business ties to dirtier-than-mud Russian oligarchs as our President.

The moron last night went on a Twitter binge and called for the cancellation of Saturday Night Live - a show that he appeared only a few months ago.

Caligula for President.

The toupéed fuqtrumpet has no point of view except that which aggrandizes his own self interests. So he can appear on a show and support it, but let them dare criticize or portray him satirically, and freedom of the press was never made for that kind of speech.

Actually, the impetus for the Second Amendment was first to protect political speech, something that was outlawed under British rule. So this is the most protected of all free speech. I guess you can cheery pick the Constitution, too.
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Post#957 » by BKlutch » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:11 am

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Do you even know what constitutes news?

You are citing a zealots poll as a counterweight to some vague notion of the "mainstream"

Again, how is that helpful or indicative of anything?

You want to combat bias by citing the most biased imaginable poll and claim 95% of the public trusts wikileaks. That's absurd. You'd be lucky if 50% of the public can distinguish between wikileaks and Dairy Queen

Actually, it's not Dairy Queen. They confuse Wikileaks and FuqTrumpets.
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Post#959 » by BKlutch » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:12 am

CJackson wrote:
duetta wrote:
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What is shameful is the press trying to force a President on the country instead of impartially reporting news in a balanced way. That is what goes on in Iran, Cuba and Russia.


What is shameful is that a bunch of know-nothings and racists want a career incompetent, with the attention span of a flea, and deep business ties to dirtier-than-mud Russian oligarchs as our President.

The moron last night went on a Twitter binge and called for the cancellation of Saturday Night Live - a show that he appeared only a few months ago.

Caligula for President.


Alec Baldwin is having the time of his life though

Maybe, but I'm become afraid. It seems Trump is basing what he does in the debates on what he saw Baldwin do on SNL.
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Post#960 » by BKlutch » Mon Oct 17, 2016 4:14 am

KnicksGod wrote:Trump Tweeting about SNL lol. This is definitely not real life.

"Catch the sex tape." "But don't watch SNL."
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