OT: The next President of the United States: ★★★ Donald Trump ★★★

[TheSuzerain]

When you have free markets, the wealth spreads around and everybody gets to enjoy it.

[Citation Needed]

[coldfish]

These elections are about bad and worse. The only question is who is the "bad" and who is the "worse". Personally, I believe Hillary is the "worse", but I can respect somebody who thinks Trump is "worse". I can't respect somebody who thinks Hillary is "good". That's simply lying to yourself.

Good post. Everyone who I know that supports Trump doesn't actually like him. They either want to vote for him to stick it to the establishment or fear Hillary more. Hillary supporters aren't quite as negative about their own candidate but I have yet to find someone who is actually enthused about electing her.

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As a side note, I kind of wish we had a different set of offices for government. Our systems were set up when there simply wasn't as many responsibilities. With how many wedge issues and responsibilities there are, its virtually impossible to elect someone who comes close to what people want on all issues.

I would break up these jobs.

For example, state governments should have an elected official responsible for the road department with checks and balances with other groups like the legislature. You don't like the roads? Blame him or her instead of making it issue number 78 for the governor.

More relevant, I would break up the presidency into a triumvirate with divided responsibilities among them.
- Foreign policy and treaty negotiation
- Government bureaucracy and management
- Economics
- Military
- Nominating judicial appointments
etc.

Hell, I would go so far as to create a 4th branch of government to oversee government. A huge department of internal affairs that could investigate corruption, police officer shooters, etc. Its somewhat naive to believe that the government can objectively police itself.

/rant

Yeah this is pretty terrible.

Overall, I was just spitballing. With that said, its just flat out stupid to handle things the way we do. For example, when the constitution was set up, the supreme court was not intended to be the arbiter of social justice. Now that it is, the president has incredible power over the makeup of the court. So if you have presidential candidates who with one you have a person you like their social positions and hate their economic position and the other is reverse, what do you do?

At the end of the day, something like 60%+ of the country identifies as socially liberal and economically conservative, year after year. You have a grand total of ZERO candidates running on a platform like that due to our craptastic parties. If you divide the responsibilities out you could elect people who would actually carry out the will of the people.

[coldfish]

When you have free markets, the wealth spreads around and everybody gets to enjoy it.

[Citation Needed]

Well, free markets are rather rare nowadays. Beyond that, its not really accurate to say the wealth spreads around in a way where EVERYONE gets to enjoy it. However, the alternative is much worse.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

[cocktailswith_2short]

For the life of me I can't see what Hillary has done to warrant all this anger towards her. Its like people are putting Trumps real actions up against conspiracies about Hillary Clinton. Now we have people pushing the conspiracy that Clinton is stealing the election without any REAL proof. Its an echo chamber of misinformation.

This is psychotic. In todays world with the internet and the ability to investigate for ourselves there really is no excuse for thinking like this. They literally just released a video about 2 hours ago detailing voter fraud and corruption.

[TheSuzerain]

When you have free markets, the wealth spreads around and everybody gets to enjoy it.

[Citation Needed]

Well, free markets are rather rare nowadays. Beyond that, its not really accurate to say the wealth spreads around in a way where EVERYONE gets to enjoy it. However, the alternative is much worse.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

It's interesting because you've had at least 1 or 2 posts in this thread that were basically Marxist.

[League Circles]

For the life of me I can't see what Hillary has done to warrant all this anger towards her. Its like people are putting Trumps real actions up against conspiracies about Hillary Clinton. Now we have people pushing the conspiracy that Clinton is stealing the election without any REAL proof. Its an echo chamber of misinformation.

This is psychotic. In todays world with the internet and the ability to investigate for ourselves there really is no excuse for thinking like this. They literally just released a video about 2 hours ago detailing voter fraud and corruption.

Is the voter fraud and corruption (I've heard something about it but I'm not up to speed) clearly linked to Clinton and/or her campaign?

[Jo Jo English]

For the life of me I can't see what Hillary has done to warrant all this anger towards her. Its like people are putting Trumps real actions up against conspiracies about Hillary Clinton. Now we have people pushing the conspiracy that Clinton is stealing the election without any REAL proof. Its an echo chamber of misinformation.

This is psychotic. In todays world with the internet and the ability to investigate for ourselves there really is no excuse for thinking like this. They literally just released a video about 2 hours ago detailing voter fraud and corruption.

Now I haven't watched this "journalists" new series of videos, but isn't this put together by the same guy/group that has been accused numerous times of misleading people in their videos? Didn't this guy have to pay out 10s of thousands of dollars in settlement money after being sued over shady things he did producing videos in the past? I mean, like the content all you want, but this guy isn't on the level as far as legitimate journalism.

Yeah, after checking it out this is the guy who was responsible for the ACORN and Planned Parenthood videos. Those turned out to be such misleading piles of trash that I have to have serious doubts about the accuracy of his new videos.

It's too bad really. If these clips really are the smoking guns that show how corrupt our system is it is a shame they have to come from such a tainted source that will cause many to cast a doubtful eye.

[Bascitball]

My opinion: If the Dems spent as much time and effort on actually helping the poor and middle class as they do on winning elections and locking up the minority votes for hundreds of years - then this country might not be so divided and broken.

Edit: wording and grammar.

[Jo Jo English]

My opinion: If the Repubs spent as much time and effort on actually helping the poor and middle class as they do on trying to win elections and appealing to xenophobic, racist, and sexist voters - then this country might not be so divided and broken.

[Bascitball]

Smug, but I agree. And it goes back to what somebody said earlier that the incentives are short-sighted. When the primary goal is to win elections, we get bad results. Unfortunately, having good qualities and being honest doesn't get a person elected these days. And this applies to both sides.

[burlydee]

For the life of me I can't see what Hillary has done to warrant all this anger towards her. Its like people are putting Trumps real actions up against conspiracies about Hillary Clinton. Now we have people pushing the conspiracy that Clinton is stealing the election without any REAL proof. Its an echo chamber of misinformation.

This is psychotic. In todays world with the internet and the ability to investigate for ourselves there really is no excuse for thinking like this. They literally just released a video about 2 hours ago detailing voter fraud and corruption.

Lol. THis is the problem. You believe everything you see and read on the internet. There have been fake videos dealing with Planned Parenthood, Sandy Hook, ACORN, 9/11 - the fact that someone made a video and put it on the internet means absolutely nothing. Nothing. This guy was just convicted of faking a video in another case.

The idea that there is (1) a vast cabal of people rigging the election and (2) another group of people unwilling to report on the rigging of the election seems ridiculous beyond belief. I notice that none of these complaints about rigging the election were ever put forth until Trump became almost assured of losing. And I also note that the conspiracy to steal the election implicates some of the poorest, most least organized people in the world. But if its published on the internet, some people think its "evidence." yeesh.

[Jo Jo English]

Smug, but I agree. And it goes back to what somebody said earlier that the incentives are short-sighted. When the primary goal is to win elections, we get bad results. Unfortunately, having good qualities and being honest doesn't get a person elected these days. And this applies to both sides.

Certainly agreed.

[ozbull]

2c from a political student in Australia, hoping this all comes to an end soon:

If Trump supporters truly believe that elections are being rigged, they must then accept that 33 states will be rigged by the Republicans who organise, host and monitor them.

This is the scariest development of the election so far - that Trump is attempting to convince people to riot against a democratic result.

His talking points are coming directly from Alex Jones now. His are the ramblings of an angry, paranoid man.

I watch Trump and I think back to 1996, beating my brother in Super Mario Kart on the SNES.

"This game is rigged."

"Your controller works better than mine."

"How did that red shell miss you!?"

"It's not fair that you use Koopa Troopa and I get Toad."

"I'm pushing the reset button or just breaking the console before I accept that I've lost."

Jesus Christ, people.

[coldfish]

[Citation Needed]

Well, free markets are rather rare nowadays. Beyond that, its not really accurate to say the wealth spreads around in a way where EVERYONE gets to enjoy it. However, the alternative is much worse.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

It's interesting because you've had at least 1 or 2 posts in this thread that were basically Marxist.

Are you welcoming me to the club? Is there an application fee I was unaware of?

[TeK]

For the life of me I can't see what Hillary has done to warrant all this anger towards her. Its like people are putting Trumps real actions up against conspiracies about Hillary Clinton. Now we have people pushing the conspiracy that Clinton is stealing the election without any REAL proof. Its an echo chamber of misinformation.

You must be an avid viewer of CNN or an active member of CTR.

A) Podesta emails are real.
B) New FBI emails are real.
C) Foreign Government funding is real.
D) Hillary's campaign having paying violent instigators with the intent to blame Bern/Trump is real and verified by her own website is real.
E)

Watch on YouTube

F) (RELEASED TODAY PART II)

Watch on YouTube

Seriously, what else do you want as proof?

[TeK]

For the life of me I can't see what Hillary has done to warrant all this anger towards her. Its like people are putting Trumps real actions up against conspiracies about Hillary Clinton. Now we have people pushing the conspiracy that Clinton is stealing the election without any REAL proof. Its an echo chamber of misinformation.

This is psychotic. In todays world with the internet and the ability to investigate for ourselves there really is no excuse for thinking like this. They literally just released a video about 2 hours ago detailing voter fraud and corruption.

Now I haven't watched this "journalists" new series of videos, but isn't this put together by the same guy/group that has been accused numerous times of misleading people in their videos? Didn't this guy have to pay out 10s of thousands of dollars in settlement money after being sued over shady things he did producing videos in the past? I mean, like the content all you want, but this guy isn't on the level as far as legitimate journalism.

Yeah, after checking it out this is the guy who was responsible for the ACORN and Planned Parenthood videos. Those turned out to be such misleading piles of trash that I have to have serious doubts about the accuracy of his new videos.

It's too bad really. If these clips really are the smoking guns that show how corrupt our system is it is a shame they have to come from such a tainted source that will cause many to cast a doubtful eye.

Okay, cool. Now go watch the video.

There really isn't any way to skew any sort of undercover video. What's next? "He didn't know he was being recorded so it shouldn't count" Want an admission of truth in these videos? Scott Foval was fired yesterday. That to me, legitimizes these videos 100%. You want to know what else he admitted to? It's also said numerous times by the people in said videos that Hillary is aware of and supports the tactics.

Part II, as it relates to voter fraud, should make any true American's blood boil. This is not what our children, brothers, sisters father and other died for when protecting "freedom" - Hillary is a sham and there is no way to sugar coat it anymore.

[gardenofsound]

I...

This thread...

****...

I'm speechless...

[burlydee]

For the life of me I can't see what Hillary has done to warrant all this anger towards her. Its like people are putting Trumps real actions up against conspiracies about Hillary Clinton. Now we have people pushing the conspiracy that Clinton is stealing the election without any REAL proof. Its an echo chamber of misinformation.

You must be an avid viewer of CNN or an active member of CTR.

A) Podesta emails are real.
B) New FBI emails are real.
C) Foreign Government funding is real.
D) Hillary's campaign having paying violent instigators with the intent to blame Bern/Trump is real and verified by her own website is real.
E)

Watch on YouTube

F) (RELEASED TODAY PART II)

Watch on YouTube

Seriously, what else do you want as proof?

I don't know, an actual report from a non-nut. I don't watch CNN. How about Washington Post, NY Times, the AP, Bloomberg, MSNBC, ABC, CBS - you know any of the 100s of reputable news sources that don't publish on youtube. I'd even take FOX at this point.

My emails are "real" too. That isn't evidence of wrongdoing. A bunch of comments taken out of context aren't evidence of wrongdoing. Especially when they can come from a person who has been demonstrated to have produced fake videos on multiple occasions.

One big problem in our country is the breakdown of intellectual authority. Some people would rather believe a guy on the internet as opposed to the 50 or so reputable media organizations we have. People will believe there own cousin about global warming before they believe scientists. I love the internet, but one thing it has done it has turned facts into opinions and conspiracies into facts. Your desire for this stuff to be true, doesn't make it so.

[ozbull]

For the life of me I can't see what Hillary has done to warrant all this anger towards her. Its like people are putting Trumps real actions up against conspiracies about Hillary Clinton. Now we have people pushing the conspiracy that Clinton is stealing the election without any REAL proof. Its an echo chamber of misinformation.

You must be an avid viewer of CNN or an active member of CTR.

A) Podesta emails are real.
B) New FBI emails are real.
C) Foreign Government funding is real.
D) Hillary's campaign having paying violent instigators with the intent to blame Bern/Trump is real and verified by her own website is real.
E)

Watch on YouTube

F) (RELEASED TODAY PART II)

Watch on YouTube

Seriously, what else do you want as proof?

What more do people want as proof?

What about actual proof, actual quotes from people willing to put their name to them, rather then a journalist talking with people off-camera, in conversations that could easily be edited and taken out of context?

You don't think that if any of this was factual, real and possible, that any other respectable journalist in the country wouldn't plant it on the front page as the biggest story in American history? You think that every single skilled and journalist with integrity is part of Clinton's 'conspiracy'?

And why do the Democrats need to rig an election that they're leading in every poll?

Or, are the polls, run by independent organisations, in on the conspiracy too?

None of it makes any sense. None of it.

You're being mislead and you're hatred and mis-trust of Hillary is leading you to places, reason and logic that will be difficult to come back from.

[ozbull]

For the life of me I can't see what Hillary has done to warrant all this anger towards her. Its like people are putting Trumps real actions up against conspiracies about Hillary Clinton. Now we have people pushing the conspiracy that Clinton is stealing the election without any REAL proof. Its an echo chamber of misinformation.

You must be an avid viewer of CNN or an active member of CTR.

A) Podesta emails are real.
B) New FBI emails are real.
C) Foreign Government funding is real.
D) Hillary's campaign having paying violent instigators with the intent to blame Bern/Trump is real and verified by her own website is real.
E)

Watch on YouTube

F) (RELEASED TODAY PART II)

Watch on YouTube

Seriously, what else do you want as proof?

I don't know, an actual report from a non-nut. I don't watch CNN. How about Washington Post, NY Times, the AP, Bloomberg, MSNBC, ABC, CBS - you know any of the 100s of reputable news sources that don't publish on youtube. I'd even take FOX at this point.

My emails are "real" too. That isn't evidence of wrongdoing. A bunch of comments taken out of context aren't evidence of wrongdoing. Especially when they can come from a person who has been demonstrated to have produced fake videos on multiple occasions.

One big problem in our country is the breakdown of intellectual authority. Some people would rather believe a guy on the internet as opposed to the 50 or so reputable media organizations we have. People will believe there own cousin about global warming before they believe scientists. I love the internet, but one thing it has done it has turned facts into opinions and conspiracies into facts. Your desire for this stuff to be true, doesn't make it so.

*loud clapping*