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Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#81 » by TMU » Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:36 am

Bosh's situation is far different from Varejao's. I'm sorry but he's done. No team in its right mind should jeopardize a player's life, regardless of how good that player is. I don't care if he is Michael Jordan or Bill Russell, dude shouldn't play.
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Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#82 » by texasholdem » Thu Oct 13, 2016 4:07 am

TMU wrote:Bosh's situation is far different from Varejao's. I'm sorry but he's done. No team in its right mind should jeopardize a player's life, regardless of how good that player is. I don't care if he is Michael Jordan or Bill Russell, dude shouldn't play.


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Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#83 » by TMU » Thu Oct 13, 2016 5:37 pm

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TMU wrote:Bosh's situation is far different from Varejao's. I'm sorry but he's done. No team in its right mind should jeopardize a player's life, regardless of how good that player is. I don't care if he is Michael Jordan or Bill Russell, dude shouldn't play.


Akeem Olajuwon spent a week in the hospital in 1989 for blood clots in his leg then had atrial fibrillation in 1991.


He did have those conditions, but that's not how the body works. DVTs AKA deep blood clots in the legs (venous) can cause pulmonary embolism (venous) not afib (arterial). Afib (arterial), which can cause development of clots in the left heart, can cause stroke (arterial). So, we're talking two separate systems. Patients on a blood thinner, which is used to prevent further clots in the venous system (legs, lungs, etc), generally have thin blood. When the blood is thin, you are at a high risk for bleeding into your brain after a head injury, regardless of the magnitude of the injury.

Now with the advent of traumatic brain injuries and concussions leading to permanent brain damage and other neurologic disorders that you see in the NFL, professional leagues have changed the way they manage athletes with head injuries . I can't comment on the way how medicine was practiced in the 80s and 90s, but certainly the way it is practiced has evolved with a greater emphasis on prevention.

Again, Bosh's situation is different from those who have successfully return to the game following initial treatment. Also, what Hakeem had in '89 and later towards the end of his career are 2 different types of clots. The first only required a week's worth of treatment, which suggests that it may not be a DVT. The latter required a much longer period of treatment, until reassessed 3-6 months down the line. So his situation was different from that of Chris Bosh's, who's had multiple DVTs with several recurrences.
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Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#84 » by texasholdem » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:17 pm

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TMU wrote:Bosh's situation is far different from Varejao's. I'm sorry but he's done. No team in its right mind should jeopardize a player's life, regardless of how good that player is. I don't care if he is Michael Jordan or Bill Russell, dude shouldn't play.


Akeem Olajuwon spent a week in the hospital in 1989 for blood clots in his leg then had atrial fibrillation in 1991.


He did have those conditions, but that's not how the body works. DVTs AKA deep blood clots in the legs (venous) can cause pulmonary embolism (venous) not afib (arterial). Afib (arterial), which can cause development of clots in the left heart, can cause stroke (arterial). So, we're talking two separate systems. Patients on a blood thinner, which is used to prevent further clots in the venous system (legs, lungs, etc), generally have thin blood. When the blood is thin, you are at a high risk for bleeding into your brain after a head injury, regardless of the magnitude of the injury.

Now with the advent of traumatic brain injuries and concussions leading to permanent brain damage and other neurologic disorders that you see in the NFL, professional leagues have changed the way they manage athletes with head injuries . I can't comment on the way how medicine was practiced in the 80s and 90s, but certainly the way it is practiced has evolved with a greater emphasis on prevention.

Again, Bosh's situation is different from those who have successfully return to the game following initial treatment. Also, what Hakeem had in '89 and later towards the end of his career are 2 different types of clots. The first only required a week's worth of treatment, which suggests that it may not be a DVT. The latter required a much longer period of treatment, until reassessed 3-6 months down the line. So his situation was different from that of Chris Bosh's, who's had multiple DVTs with several recurrences.


That's a lot of impressive medical knowledge. I just remember he had to wear a stocking on one leg. I'm just saying he had clots also I'm glad he didn't retire early. The city of Houston would be much different without those two championships. The Rockets likely would have been moved to another city like OKC or new Orleans. NFL might not have come back or maybe the oilers never would have left in the first place.

But I'll defer to you on this. It just seems like if he's okay with the risk then the choice should be up to him.
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Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#85 » by inquisitive » Sun Oct 23, 2016 4:03 am

if he is willing to sign a 7mil/yr deal with sign/trade, ship him and ariza to the Bucks for Middleton. Bring the Aggie back home!
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Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#86 » by Mamba4Goat » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:43 pm

So...any new word on Motiejunas??
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Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#87 » by Mr. E » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:41 am

Mamba4Goat wrote:So...any new word on Motiejunas??


Nothing that I've heard.

One popular theory is that the Rockets kept Bobby Brown because he'd be the guy waived if the Motiejunas deal does happen.
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Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#88 » by MaxRider » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:52 pm

Mr. E wrote:
Mamba4Goat wrote:So...any new word on Motiejunas??


Nothing that I've heard.

One popular theory is that the Rockets kept Bobby Brown because he'd be the guy waived if the Motiejunas deal does happen.


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Post#89 » by K_chile22 » Fri Oct 28, 2016 4:53 pm

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Mamba4Goat wrote:So...any new word on Motiejunas??


Nothing that I've heard.

One popular theory is that the Rockets kept Bobby Brown because he'd be the guy waived if the Motiejunas deal does happen.


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He wouldn't help the rebounding but he would help the defense and second team offense

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Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#90 » by texasholdem » Tue Nov 1, 2016 4:03 pm

Bigs signing extensions this week:

Cody Zeller $56m /4 years ($14m per)
Gorgui Dieng $64m/4 years ($16m per)
Steven Adams $100m/4 years ($25m per)
Rudy Gobert $102m/4 years ($25.5m per)

How much is D-Mo worth and more importantly how much does BJ Armstrong think he's worth?
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Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#91 » by evilution » Wed Nov 2, 2016 10:08 am

Lithuanian websites are speculating that D-Mo might go to OKC now that they traded Ilyasova and have 7 mln + a shaky 4.
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Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#92 » by texasholdem » Wed Nov 2, 2016 2:22 pm

evilution wrote:Lithuanian websites are speculating that D-Mo might go to OKC now that they traded Ilyasova and have 7 mln + a shaky 4.


No way dmo takes 7 million and rockets would match that immediately. Thunder should just play Sabonis more.
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Re: RE: Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#93 » by K_chile22 » Wed Nov 2, 2016 3:54 pm

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evilution wrote:Lithuanian websites are speculating that D-Mo might go to OKC now that they traded Ilyasova and have 7 mln + a shaky 4.


No way dmo takes 7 million and rockets would match that immediately. Thunder should just play Sabonis more.

It's not the money the rockets would worry about its the years. A RFA offer sheet has to be at least three

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Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#94 » by texasholdem » Wed Nov 2, 2016 6:12 pm

It IS about the money and pushing up against and perhaps exceeding the luxury tax that Les refuses to pay
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Post#95 » by K_chile22 » Wed Nov 2, 2016 6:22 pm

texasholdem wrote:It IS about the money and pushing up against and perhaps exceeding the luxury tax that Les refuses to pay

They are nearly 19 million dollars away from the luxury tax. Montiejunas isnt getting near that much even he doesnt excpect that. It isnt about the money alone. The Rockets would be willing to give him a one year deal for a large amount of money in sure but Dmo doesnt want that he wants security. Rockets wont offer decent money and a bunch of years because of his back concerns.

This idea that Les is cheap is so weird to me. He ate a guaranteed Prigioni contract and a significantly guarenteed GP contract. He ate the 36 or whatever it was million dollars left on McHale's deal. He isnt cheap. If you can avoid the tax by trading marginal players then you do it, thats every team. The Dmo trade last year wasnt about that. They got a top 9 protected pick for an injured guy about to get paid in free agency. Thats better than guys like Reggie Jackson and Kanter returned. It was a good trade for houston.

He also paid the Luxury tax LITERALLY LAST YEAR
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Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#96 » by quatin » Fri Nov 4, 2016 6:24 pm

Rockets offer multi-year deal starting at $7 million. Speculations? 3rd year team option I assume.
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Re: RE: Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#97 » by K_chile22 » Fri Nov 4, 2016 7:01 pm

quatin wrote:Rockets offer multi-year deal starting at $7 million. Speculations? 3rd year team option I assume.

I'd be shocked if the second was fully guarenteed

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Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#98 » by Dainius » Fri Nov 4, 2016 7:19 pm

Sources told ESPN on Friday that the Rockets' latest offer is a multiyear deal that starts at $7 million annually, with attainable incentives that could take it to $8 million.

http://www.espn.com/blog/marc-stein/post/_/id/4645/the-latest-on-motiejunas-brook-lopez-and-more

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Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#99 » by verysalt » Fri Nov 4, 2016 9:18 pm

Most likely OCT did a favor to DMO. After they traded Ersan İlyasova they had exactly 7Mils cap space for another PF/Center.
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Re: How much to keep Motiejunas? 

Post#100 » by punkmodafunk » Sat Nov 5, 2016 7:46 pm

is he gonna play if he signs a new deal?
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