Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming?

[moocow007]

if kp aint great it's because of kp. bad teams have good players break out all the time. the kings are the worst run franchise, he has the worst attitude possible and still that hasn't stopped cousins from being pretty damn good. stop it.

Difference is Cousins can take as many shots as he wants...

Porzingis is knicks third option...

But I agree... its on Porzingis to learn the game and make improvements..

Cousins isn't good just because he can take as many shots as he wants though. If that were the case the Ben McClemore, Jason Thompson (when he was there), WCS, Nick Stauskas, etc...would also be putting up scoring numbers.

[Knickerbock]

Knicks will have ups and downs this season... They will be fighting for the 8th seed.. Nothing more

is that supposed to be a good thing?

No just the truth

[Mecca]

also i'd like to remind all of you that the knicks gave 18mm a year to noah who's averaging 2 ppg, 7.5 rpg, and 5.5 apg in 22 minutes. it was a dumb signing then and it's a dumb signing now.

bulls got rid of rose and noah at the right time, knicks stay collecting other teams trash.

4 more years of Noah's corpse making 18 million a year. Worst part is Noah blocks KP of ever moving to the 5, which he should by next year.

[NOOB77]

Melo has to ask to be traded

Yes. That is the first step.

Once that happens, both Phil and Melo share control over the outcome. Until that happens, Phil has none.

Phil has control no matter what.

Melo: "TRADE ME!!!"
Phil: "No"

Melo: "K"

Phil: Melo I want to Trade You!!
Melo: NO
Phil: K

[Capn'O]

Phil: Melo I want to Trade You!!
Melo: NO
Phil: K

^understands Step 1

[Knickerbock]

KNICKS NEED A SYSTEM THAT FITS THE PLAYERS THEY HAVE

NOT FITTING PLAYERS INTO A SYSTEM THAT KNICKS WANT

[blueNorange]

also i'd like to remind all of you that the knicks gave 18mm a year to noah who's averaging 2 ppg, 7.5 rpg, and 5.5 apg in 22 minutes. it was a dumb signing then and it's a dumb signing now.

bulls got rid of rose and noah at the right time, knicks stay collecting other teams trash.

4 more years of Noah's corpse making 18 million a year. Worst part is Noah blocks KP of ever moving to the 5, which he should by next year.

what's even worse that for some stupid reason, noah will have carte blanc because he's a "new yorker" and grew up a knicks fan.

watching him move is cringeworthy, but hey according to smack as long as he plays in the playoffs it means he has a heart of gold.

[HEZI]

I watched some of the highlights from the Pistons game and one play really stood out because it pointed to what I was talking about above.

The play where Morris shook Melo and got all the way to the basket for a lay-up. First problem bad individual defense. Melo was way to aggressive to start the set and over played and overreacted to Morris first move so he got blown by. Second problem when you watch the play both KP and Noah are either standing in the paint or standing on the opposite block. Neither player rotated over to cover that mistake? Why how can that even happen? Noah and KP both have better defensive IQ than to let a player have a free lay-up. But they both stood and watched him lay it in. Last year KP would have went hard after the block even if he gave a lay-up to his man. Noah from watching his Bulls days would have slide over to try and take the charge and if they dumped it off to his man for a lay-up he would have yelled at someone for not rotating down to cover him. Instead none of that happened and they just watched.

That is just one play but is sums up all the issues we are having on defense.

I remember that play. I think Melo over played Morris because on a couple of plays before that, Morris was hitting jumpers right in his face. This resulted in Melo playing tighter on Morris but Morris then just blew right by him. When you decide you are going to do that, there has to be communication between the players. Melo needed to tell Noah that he was going to send him his way on the next play Morris catches the ball. There has to be communication. It's not rocket science, we do it on the freakin playground. Just talk and let eachother know what you are going to do, don't just assume that help is going to be there. If you are playing a guy straight up and forcing him to shoot over you for the first couple plays, then all of a sudden you decide you are going to over play him on the next possession, you absolutely must inform the guy in the paint that you are going to force your man his way so he is ready and alert. We seem to be lacking in communication and guys are just not on the same page.

Right that is problem 1 I agree. The second part is if a guy tells you or not you see a guy coming for a free lay-up you will try and do something about it. Even on the playground that happens even if the man warns you or not. Like never have a seen a play were a guy takes it from the elbow takes 2 dribbles 2 steps and lays it in while two 7 footers stand on the other side of the block and watch. Regardless of if Melo told them he is going to suck this time down and not stay in front.

Preach!

I agree, the responsibility falls on everybody. You have to be alert and aware all the time,

How about last night man, when Porzingis kept giving Harden layups/dunks

Watch on YouTube

Look at Porzingis just lay out the carpet for Harden to go to the basket. This is just not acceptable

[NOOB77]

I remember that play. I think Melo over played Morris because on a couple of plays before that, Morris was hitting jumpers right in his face. This resulted in Melo playing tighter on Morris but Morris then just blew right by him. When you decide you are going to do that, there has to be communication between the players. Melo needed to tell Noah that he was going to send him his way on the next play Morris catches the ball. There has to be communication. It's not rocket science, we do it on the freakin playground. Just talk and let eachother know what you are going to do, don't just assume that help is going to be there. If you are playing a guy straight up and forcing him to shoot over you for the first couple plays, then all of a sudden you decide you are going to over play him on the next possession, you absolutely must inform the guy in the paint that you are going to force your man his way so he is ready and alert. We seem to be lacking in communication and guys are just not on the same page.

Right that is problem 1 I agree. The second part is if a guy tells you or not you see a guy coming for a free lay-up you will try and do something about it. Even on the playground that happens even if the man warns you or not. Like never have a seen a play were a guy takes it from the elbow takes 2 dribbles 2 steps and lays it in while two 7 footers stand on the other side of the block and watch. Regardless of if Melo told them he is going to suck this time down and not stay in front.

Preach!

I agree, the responsibility falls on everybody. You have to be alert and aware all the time,

How about last night man, when Porzingis kept giving Harden layups/dunks

Watch on YouTube

Look at Porzingis just lay out the carpet for Harden to go to the basket. This is just not acceptable

Lee looks so mad at him.

[Mike Breen]

if kp aint great it's because of kp. bad teams have good players break out all the time. the kings are the worst run franchise, he has the worst attitude possible and still that hasn't stopped cousins from being pretty damn good. stop it.

You really don't think team culture has a significant impact on rookie development? It's not a coincidence that this team hasn't drafted an all-NBA caliber player since 1985. The problem is that we either dump them before they've been given enough time to develop or we put them behind over-the-hill stars.

[blueNorange]

KNICKS NEED A SYSTEM THAT FITS THE PLAYERS THEY HAVE

NOT FITTING PLAYERS INTO A SYSTEM THAT KNICKS WANT

knicks need to get players that aren't clinging on to their reputation.

noah clinging on to his defensive years
rose clinging on to his mvp year
melo clinging on to i can still jump years

[blueNorange]

I remember that play. I think Melo over played Morris because on a couple of plays before that, Morris was hitting jumpers right in his face. This resulted in Melo playing tighter on Morris but Morris then just blew right by him. When you decide you are going to do that, there has to be communication between the players. Melo needed to tell Noah that he was going to send him his way on the next play Morris catches the ball. There has to be communication. It's not rocket science, we do it on the freakin playground. Just talk and let eachother know what you are going to do, don't just assume that help is going to be there. If you are playing a guy straight up and forcing him to shoot over you for the first couple plays, then all of a sudden you decide you are going to over play him on the next possession, you absolutely must inform the guy in the paint that you are going to force your man his way so he is ready and alert. We seem to be lacking in communication and guys are just not on the same page.

Right that is problem 1 I agree. The second part is if a guy tells you or not you see a guy coming for a free lay-up you will try and do something about it. Even on the playground that happens even if the man warns you or not. Like never have a seen a play were a guy takes it from the elbow takes 2 dribbles 2 steps and lays it in while two 7 footers stand on the other side of the block and watch. Regardless of if Melo told them he is going to suck this time down and not stay in front.

Preach!

I agree, the responsibility falls on everybody. You have to be alert and aware all the time,

How about last night man, when Porzingis kept giving Harden layups/dunks

Watch on YouTube

Look at Porzingis just lay out the carpet for Harden to go to the basket. This is just not acceptable

boy that type of stuff didn't happen last year when kristaps had a trustworthy center in rolo that played good defense.

[moocow007]

If the Knicks were 1-3 but were competing but just losing because of a pass here or a play there, then sure, no reason to have premonitions of doom, but they are looking as dazed and confused as they've been since Larry Brown. The "a lot of new players and time to gel" argument is an excuse cause plenty of other teams have major overhauls and they are fine.

100% agree with this

I sort of agree with this. Honestly, only last night was truly alarming of the four games. One bad half against clearly the best team in the league right now, and a stinker last night. Pistons...fine, but we still had a shot to win that game late in the fourth (I know this is a bit of a stretch).

That being said, we have seen teams undergo major overhauls be fine, but we have seen some where it has taken time. Also, we have literally changed almost the entire team, whereas teams like the Heat and KG Celtics simply added a few key pieces. We have 10 new players and a new coach. The Heat with prime Lebron took a month before they even resembled what they became, and even they had to wait it out for a while. And as we know, we don't have anyone near Lebron, Wade, or Bosh in terms of talent, so while the excuse that we need to gel is a bit tiring, it's not entirely untrue. Also don't forget Rose was basically gone all preseason. The team plays like they don't know each other, and in a sense, they don't. I won't panic until it's December or even January, and even if we still suck by then, guess what, we actually have a our pick in a draft LOADED with guards, the exact position we need help at.

It's been a **** show for 4 games. Sometimes only slight case of the runs, other times we're talking **** volcano. Even the win against the Grizzlies was closer than it should be (i.e. again their perpetual inability to close wounded teams out).

[Mecca]

also i'd like to remind all of you that the knicks gave 18mm a year to noah who's averaging 2 ppg, 7.5 rpg, and 5.5 apg in 22 minutes. it was a dumb signing then and it's a dumb signing now.

bulls got rid of rose and noah at the right time, knicks stay collecting other teams trash.

4 more years of Noah's corpse making 18 million a year. Worst part is Noah blocks KP of ever moving to the 5, which he should by next year.

what's even worse that for some stupid reason, noah will have carte blanc because he's a "new yorker" and grew up a knicks fan.

watching him move is cringeworthy, but hey according to smack as long as he plays in the playoffs it means he has a heart of gold.

More than watching him move, he's so inept on the offensive end that it forces teams to key on KP more. In 2016, you can't throw out players 30+ minutes who are net negatives offensively.

[Knickerbock]

I think rose may be trying to play for a contract more then whats best for the team... there were many times where he took it himself instead of looking for the open guy

[HEZI]

Right that is problem 1 I agree. The second part is if a guy tells you or not you see a guy coming for a free lay-up you will try and do something about it. Even on the playground that happens even if the man warns you or not. Like never have a seen a play were a guy takes it from the elbow takes 2 dribbles 2 steps and lays it in while two 7 footers stand on the other side of the block and watch. Regardless of if Melo told them he is going to suck this time down and not stay in front.

Preach!

I agree, the responsibility falls on everybody. You have to be alert and aware all the time,

How about last night man, when Porzingis kept giving Harden layups/dunks

Watch on YouTube

Look at Porzingis just lay out the carpet for Harden to go to the basket. This is just not acceptable

Lee looks so mad at him.

And he has every right to be. I think everybody was mad at him last night, Hornacek, Noah, Lee, Rose, everybody had a right to be upset with him because his defense was absolutely terrible.

[NoLayupRule]

last night's matchup was as and as we could ask for

for a team struggling on offense a sieve of a Rockets defense isn't a great bonus for us
for a team struggling to get their defense together a Rockets team who is firing on all cylinders on offense is terrible for us


last night saw some good or ok play from a lot of guys and some terrible play from others


Lee was excellent. KOQ solid as well. Rose was OK as was Melo.
KP was horrible. Beyond horrible.

this was the worst game Ive seen KP play.
He was hot garbage on both ends

gotta call it like it was


I expect a nice bounce back vs a tough but emotionally motivating Bulls team friday

[LG733]

Right that is problem 1 I agree. The second part is if a guy tells you or not you see a guy coming for a free lay-up you will try and do something about it. Even on the playground that happens even if the man warns you or not. Like never have a seen a play were a guy takes it from the elbow takes 2 dribbles 2 steps and lays it in while two 7 footers stand on the other side of the block and watch. Regardless of if Melo told them he is going to suck this time down and not stay in front.

Preach!

I agree, the responsibility falls on everybody. You have to be alert and aware all the time,

How about last night man, when Porzingis kept giving Harden layups/dunks

Watch on YouTube

Look at Porzingis just lay out the carpet for Harden to go to the basket. This is just not acceptable

boy that type of stuff didn't happen last year when kristaps had a trustworthy center in rolo that played good defense.

For real. I think we're finding out just how much RoLo meant to our defense last year. He and KP were a perfect match and we blew it up.

[HEZI]

Right that is problem 1 I agree. The second part is if a guy tells you or not you see a guy coming for a free lay-up you will try and do something about it. Even on the playground that happens even if the man warns you or not. Like never have a seen a play were a guy takes it from the elbow takes 2 dribbles 2 steps and lays it in while two 7 footers stand on the other side of the block and watch. Regardless of if Melo told them he is going to suck this time down and not stay in front.

Preach!

I agree, the responsibility falls on everybody. You have to be alert and aware all the time,

How about last night man, when Porzingis kept giving Harden layups/dunks

Watch on YouTube

Look at Porzingis just lay out the carpet for Harden to go to the basket. This is just not acceptable

boy that type of stuff didn't happen last year when kristaps had a trustworthy center in rolo that played good defense.

You blame that play on Noah?

Look at where Noah was on that play and look at where Porzingis was, that is 100% the responsibility of Porzingis to pick up Harden and protect the basket.

[Sark]

Yes. That is the first step.

Once that happens, both Phil and Melo share control over the outcome. Until that happens, Phil has none.

Phil has control no matter what.

Melo: "TRADE ME!!!"
Phil: "No"

Melo: "K"

You jumped ahead to step two.

Dude, there's not a player in the league, Lebron included, that can force a gm or owner to make a move they don't want to. A NTC allows a player to deny a trade, not force one, hence the name NO TRADE CLAUSE. It's not FTC, FORCE TRADE CLAUSE.