Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming?

[blueNorange]

Preach!

I agree, the responsibility falls on everybody. You have to be alert and aware all the time,

How about last night man, when Porzingis kept giving Harden layups/dunks

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Look at Porzingis just lay out the carpet for Harden to go to the basket. This is just not acceptable

boy that type of stuff didn't happen last year when kristaps had a trustworthy center in rolo that played good defense.

For real. I think we're finding out just how much RoLo meant to our defense last year. He and KP were a perfect match and we blew it up.

trading rolo will go down as one of the dumbest moves. rolo is young, consistent, and knows his role. him and kristaps had a nice thing going on with each other, they were never in each others way unless it was both going for a block.

knicks could've had rolo/kristaps/willy trio but have settled for kristaps/willy/and a bum.

[blueNorange]

Preach!

I agree, the responsibility falls on everybody. You have to be alert and aware all the time,

How about last night man, when Porzingis kept giving Harden layups/dunks

Watch on YouTube

Look at Porzingis just lay out the carpet for Harden to go to the basket. This is just not acceptable

boy that type of stuff didn't happen last year when kristaps had a trustworthy center in rolo that played good defense.

You blame that play on Noah?

Look at where Noah was on that play and look at where Porzingis was, that is 100% the responsibility of Porzingis to pick up Harden and protect the basket.

nope i'm justing saying that rolo is a better defensive center than noah and would mask kristaps' weakness.

noah is just there taking up space.

[thebuzzardman]

if kp aint great it's because of kp. bad teams have good players break out all the time. the kings are the worst run franchise, he has the worst attitude possible and still that hasn't stopped cousins from being pretty damn good. stop it.

You really don't think team culture has a significant impact on rookie development? It's not a coincidence that this team hasn't drafted an all-NBA caliber player since 1985. The problem is that we either dump them before they've been given enough time to develop or we put them behind over-the-hill stars.

It's hard to have a worse culture than the Kings

[HEZI]

boy that type of stuff didn't happen last year when kristaps had a trustworthy center in rolo that played good defense.

You blame that play on Noah?

Look at where Noah was on that play and look at where Porzingis was, that is 100% the responsibility of Porzingis to pick up Harden and protect the basket.

nope i'm justing saying that rolo is a better defensive center than noah and would mask kristaps' weakness.

noah is just there taking up space.

It sounds like you are just talking out your rear end as usual

[Sark]

Noah has been good on defense for the most part, but on that play, he's the center and should be last line of defense protecting the rim, not out on the perimeter.

I mean we blame KP for not closing out on 3 point shooters, and now we're blaming him for not rim protecting. He's not 12 feet tall. He can't cover the entire defense.

[Deeeez Knicks]

boy that type of stuff didn't happen last year when kristaps had a trustworthy center in rolo that played good defense.

You blame that play on Noah?

Look at where Noah was on that play and look at where Porzingis was, that is 100% the responsibility of Porzingis to pick up Harden and protect the basket.

nope i'm justing saying that rolo is a better defensive center than noah and would mask kristaps' weakness.

noah is just there taking up space.

We were not any better with Lopez last year. I loved Lopez, but Lopez vs Noah isn't the issue with this team. The big difference is really Noah's contract.

Plus we got Holiday in that deal, who is looking like one of our better keepers

[Sark]

Yes. That is the first step.

Once that happens, both Phil and Melo share control over the outcome. Until that happens, Phil has none.

Phil has control no matter what.

Melo: "TRADE ME!!!"
Phil: "No"

Melo: "K"

Phil: Melo I want to Trade You!!
Melo: NO
Phil: K

That's exactly correct. He can deny any trade he wants.

[dakomish23]

I can't be mad at accidentally tanking. The idea of drafting a superstar is much better than 37 wins.

Except we could of "accidentally" tanked and had 70 mil in cap space or at worst 56 mil if we did nothing but sign 1 year deals and kept RoLo.

Since this is the bed they made they bête figure it out

That's what I wanted them to do. Derrick Rose was fine cause he was a 1 and done contract. The others, saving space was what I wanted. Stupid Phil thinks he can zen his way to victory. It's not that easy.

It was my signature for months. Roll that **** over. Take the pick. Who wouldn't of signed up for that?

[HEZI]

Noah has been good on defense for the most part, but on that play, he's the center and should be last line of defense protecting the rim, not out on the perimeter.

I mean we blame KP for not closing out on 3 point shooters, and now we're blaming him for not rim protecting. He's not 12 feet tall. He can't cover the entire defense.

KP is the first big down the floor, it's his responsibility to protect the paint in that situation. Noah was trailing behind and if you look at KP's positioning he is not covering anybody. Pause the video at the 1 second mark and see just where KP is at that moment, he is standing at the top of the key just inside the 3 point line and Noah is just a couple feet across the halfcourt line. Noah is right next to Anderson at that moment and KP is near nobody. Because KP is the first big back down the floor the responsibility falls on him to protect the paint, instead he ends up coming up even further to the top and just stands frozen as Harden dribbles right past him.

[Rotten Apple]

I think Melo knows game by game it's becoming more clear this isn't the place for him if he wants a legitimate shot at a ring. If he leaves now he could win more than one but the longer he waits the less chances he'll have.

Melo leaves, Phil leaves and Mills takes over.

[moocow007]

It does seem like a lot of Jackson's moves are driven by some oddball combination of zen and peyote.

[blueNorange]

You blame that play on Noah?

Look at where Noah was on that play and look at where Porzingis was, that is 100% the responsibility of Porzingis to pick up Harden and protect the basket.

nope i'm justing saying that rolo is a better defensive center than noah and would mask kristaps' weakness.

noah is just there taking up space.

It sounds like you are just talking out your rear end as usual

nah, noah was garbage last year which is why he came off the bench.

noah looks like he should come off the bench, rolo is the better player.

[god shammgod]

if kp aint great it's because of kp. bad teams have good players break out all the time. the kings are the worst run franchise, he has the worst attitude possible and still that hasn't stopped cousins from being pretty damn good. stop it.

You really don't think team culture has a significant impact on rookie development? It's not a coincidence that this team hasn't drafted an all-NBA caliber player since 1985. The problem is that we either dump them before they've been given enough time to develop or we put them behind over-the-hill stars.

It's hard to have a worse culture than the Kings

who did we dump too quick that turned out great later ? who did we put with over the hill stars ? the knicks don't draft all-nba talent because, when they keep their picks, they're never in position to. kp was the highest pick they kept since ewing.

after ewing the knicks have had a total of 5 picks in the top 10 they kept - kenny walker, frye, gallo, jordan hill, kp. that's it.

[blueNorange]

You blame that play on Noah?

Look at where Noah was on that play and look at where Porzingis was, that is 100% the responsibility of Porzingis to pick up Harden and protect the basket.

nope i'm justing saying that rolo is a better defensive center than noah and would mask kristaps' weakness.

noah is just there taking up space.

We were not any better with Lopez last year. I loved Lopez, but Lopez vs Noah isn't the issue with this team. The big difference is really Noah's contract.

Plus we got Holiday in that deal, who is looking like one of our better keepers

rolo/kristaps worked a lot better offensively/defensively than noah/kristaps.

rolo could score in the post, with noah is playing 5 on 4.

[Indomitable]

Rose really not that bad don't blame dude for calling his number the offense is trash. Idk wtf Phil did but the team looks completely different than the one that played against Memphis Saturday.

He watched Melo get the ball taken from him repeatedly

[ibraheim718]

after ewing the knicks have had a total of 5 picks in the top 10 they kept - kenny walker, frye, gallo, jordan hill, kp. that's it.

Why do you have to bring up Kenny Walker?

[Sark]

Noah has been good on defense for the most part, but on that play, he's the center and should be last line of defense protecting the rim, not out on the perimeter.

I mean we blame KP for not closing out on 3 point shooters, and now we're blaming him for not rim protecting. He's not 12 feet tall. He can't cover the entire defense.

KP is the first big down the floor, it's his responsibility to protect the paint in that situation. Noah was trailing behind and if you look at KP's positioning he is not covering anybody. Pause the video at the 1 second mark and see just where KP is at that moment, he is standing at the top of the key just inside the 3 point line and Noah is just a couple feet across the halfcourt line. Noah is right next to Anderson at that moment and KP is near nobody. Because KP is the first big back down the floor the responsibility falls on him to protect the paint, instead he ends up coming up even further to the top and just stands frozen as Harden dribbles right past him.

Then Noah has to move his ass faster down the court. Again, if you want to rip KP for getting burned by stretch 4s (which is fine), then don't complain about his rim protection.

[Dr. Detfink]

No one can defend Noah last night. His own coach benched him, sending a message. Then his coach made a statement that he'd like to see KP get the ball more often (only 3 shots). Last night no one checked their man, every one was looking for help. That's not triangle. That's Phoenix Sun D.

[dakomish23]

after ewing the knicks have had a total of 5 picks in the top 10 they kept - kenny walker, frye, gallo, jordan hill, kp. that's it.

3 top 10 picks in 4 years.

Let's not pretend any of those guys would of saved us.

I'm happy with a lottery pick this year but I know it could very well be just another role player.

[Johnny Hoops]

So, what exactly is the problem with KP? Last year he showed everyone he had no problems really on the defensive end. Does anybody recall any games where he guarded someone like a Ryan Anderson last year? I would like to see the video because I watched most Knicks games last year and I don't ever remember this being a problem.

There has to be a problem internally as far as the defense goes. Idk if it's Phil or Hornacek, but it's definitely not KP. I think KP comes off as a nice guy and probably confused with what's going on. Now he has these vets around him he's deferring more and being more passive atleast when they're on the court. And he's not the only one. The whole team (with vets) are having a problem on defense. It has to be an internal problem and this is only KP's second year so he's probably trying to follow orders and lost.

When it's him and the 4 subs he hasn't shown the aggression. Last night I watched him with the 4 subs and he would stand in the corner and it felt like he's supposed to be some spot up 3 point shooter. It didn't feel like anything was even being ran for him most of the time. There's no way he should be taking 4 shots (and one of them was from an offensive rebound).

All this +1 but at the same time it is concerning (if in fact) KP is allowing something in the locker-room or with chemistry or game-plan to derail him. Going into last night his offensive metrics were all actually improved vs. last year but his D has been whacked all year.

Something is up in the clubhouse (player/player) or with players/coach/mgmt -- it's a classic case of guys not giving enough effort. KP is guilty on this front as well - he has to be tougher (minded) if he is going to be great down the road.