Knicks-Rockets PG: Who didn't see this coming?

[HEZI]

He shot 84% last year.

He's shooting 70% this year

20 attempts is one hell of a sample.

Sorry I don't have a time machine to go into the future, that's all we have for right now.

[Rotten Apple]

It was actually the opposite, the defense was on point in the 4th and the Pistons were held to only 16 points in the entire quarter, and that was because Porzingis was on the bench. The problem in the 4th was they couldn't score a basket on the offensive side, but defensively they shut down the Pistons. Porzingis was on the bench the entire quarter until only 3 minutes in the game. Proves my point

The sad part is that the Knicks were actually within 3-5 points the entire time Porzingis was on the bench, but when he came back in the Pistons went on a run and the lead ballooned up to 10, after KCP hit a 3 pointer. Do you want to guess who he hit that shot on after being left wide open? If you guessed Porzingis then you would be correct.

Then why did the Knicks struggle defensively against the Rockets when Porzingis was sitting?

Because his 1st quarter defense demoralized the entire team from the moment the ball was tipped. Go look at the 1st quarter, he killed the entire spirit of the team, whatever they had going in after he killed their spirit the night before in Detroit.

First play of the game Ryan Anderson hit a 3 like we said he would then a few minutes later he hit another one

[JohnStarksTheDunk]

Difference is Cousins can take as many shots as he wants...

Porzingis is knicks third option...

But I agree... its on Porzingis to learn the game and make improvements..

KG had to share shots with Googs and Marbury early on, and Dirk had to do the same with Finley and Nash. If you are good, eventually you get handed the keys. We even saw it with Harden after leaving OKC and Joe Johnson after leaving PHX.

If KP goes through his entire career and never gets a chance, it's because he wasn't good enough.

Generally agreed. But we're not close to enough evidence to say he can't be a top scoring option. Maybe not the top, but even for that, the evidence is quite little/weak.

Oh, I agree completely. Still plenty of time for KP. But I'm just saying, if it doesn't ever end up happening, it's on him, not anyone else.

[HEZI]

Then why did the Knicks struggle defensively against the Rockets when Porzingis was sitting?

Because his 1st quarter defense demoralized the entire team from the moment the ball was tipped. Go look at the 1st quarter, he killed the entire spirit of the team, whatever they had going in after he killed their spirit the night before in Detroit.

First play of the game Ryan Anderson hit a 3 like we said he would then a few minutes later he hit another one

Yup and then of course there was the dunk by Harden right after that

The dude was responsible for giving up 8 points in less than 3 minutes

[ChaosHamster]

Take away his 7/11 game vs Memphis and he's shooting like 33% from the field or something like that

He's been the biggest disappoint this year to me.

Whoever started that I rather see Porzingis play good and the team lose thread and everyone who agreed with him looks really dumb right now. That's what they get for putting a player over the team.

So what are you saying? The people in that thread jinxed Porzingis? The Knicks? Both?

Both and the 2 guys they bashed the most(Rose and Melo) are at least playing well by the rest of the teams standards.

They got KP playing like a bum and the Knicks can't win. That's what they get.

Rose 16pts, 4rebs, 2,5ast, 2to
KP 14.5pts, 6.5rebs, 2blocks

What did KP did to you?

[K_ick_God]

20 free throws.

But he's clearly struggling in every aspect of the game, including something as simple as free throws

He's 21, in his second year. Go look up Melo's first 4 games in his second year. Trust me, they are worse than KP.

I wouldn't go so far as to say he's struggling in all aspects. He looked like a 7-3 gazelle against the Grizzlies and helped win the one win in a big way. Had a really good 3rd period against Detroit, some moments against Cavs. Last night was a bad night. Let's get over it.

People don't like the comparison but KP won't AND shouldn't be judged the same way Melo will. Melo should be adapting and trying to make this whole thing work. Yet he plays the same way in all situations, and he's a late prime vet. Melo seems to have the same low level of trust in his teammates no matter what. Or he just plays in a vacuum. No that doesn't mean he's selfish all the time on the court, it just means he seems to give no thought to thinking out a game or a roster, or a time and place, nothing. Just plays the same way. Pass 25% of the time, yes look for the open man a fair amount, but don't hesitate to take really hard shots the other 75% of the time.

Why on earth would we use the same standards to judge KP as Melo? It's like getting on Leonard in his second season because he isn't doing the things Duncan was doing. Nonsense.

[Knicks_Fan2]

So what are you saying? The people in that thread jinxed Porzingis? The Knicks? Both?

Both and the 2 guys they bashed the most(Rose and Melo) are at least playing well by the rest of the teams standards.

They got KP playing like a bum and the Knicks can't win. That's what they get.

Rose 16pts, 4rebs, 2,5ast, 2to
KP 14.5pts, 6.5rebs, 2blocks

What did KP did to you?

If you peer into advanced stats, Rose's numbers look even worse.

[Sark]

So what are you saying? The people in that thread jinxed Porzingis? The Knicks? Both?

Both and the 2 guys they bashed the most(Rose and Melo) are at least playing well by the rest of the teams standards.

They got KP playing like a bum and the Knicks can't win. That's what they get.

Rose 16pts, 4rebs, 2,5ast, 2to
KP 14.5pts, 6.5rebs, 2blocks

What did KP did to you?

He's a Melo fan that can't accept that his guy is at the end of his prime, and it's gonna be KP's team sooner than he thinks.

[Rotten Apple]

Because his 1st quarter defense demoralized the entire team from the moment the ball was tipped. Go look at the 1st quarter, he killed the entire spirit of the team, whatever they had going in after he killed their spirit the night before in Detroit.

First play of the game Ryan Anderson hit a 3 like we said he would then a few minutes later he hit another one

Yup and then of course there was the dunk by Harden right after that

The dude was responsible for giving up 8 points in less than 3 minutes

My thing you seen what Anderson did to you in Houston how do you allow it again smh

[Deeeez Knicks]

What the F is wrong with some of you? This is why we can't have good promising young players.

[blueNorange]

All you dudes who post this ball movement and team ball bs are hypocrites because you're the same posters who cry about Porzingis not shooting every time down the floor.

Y'all don't want team ball y'all want Porzingis and only Porzingis ball.

He can't even make free throws

Take away his 7/11 game vs Memphis and he's shooting like 33% from the field or something like that

He's been the biggest disappoint this year to me.

Whoever started that I rather see Porzingis play good and the team lose thread and everyone who agreed with him looks really dumb right now. That's what they get for putting a player over the team.

lmaoo this dude just took away a game to alter stats and fit his agenda ...

[Sark]

He can't even make free throws

Take away his 7/11 game vs Memphis and he's shooting like 33% from the field or something like that

He's been the biggest disappoint this year to me.

Whoever started that I rather see Porzingis play good and the team lose thread and everyone who agreed with him looks really dumb right now. That's what they get for putting a player over the team.

lmaoo this dude just took away a game to alter stats to fit his agenda ...

It's the one game we won as well. We're 0-3 without that game.

[Rotten Apple]

So what are you saying? The people in that thread jinxed Porzingis? The Knicks? Both?

Both and the 2 guys they bashed the most(Rose and Melo) are at least playing well by the rest of the teams standards.

They got KP playing like a bum and the Knicks can't win. That's what they get.

Rose 16pts, 4rebs, 2,5ast, 2to
KP 14.5pts, 6.5rebs, 2blocks

What did KP did to you?

Dude I don't care about numbers watch the games. Rose is getting to the rim and providing some early scoring oops for the team. That's really all we ask of him. As we figure out the offense I think his assist numbers will rise.

KP is playing soft. I don't care about 14 and 6, he's playing like he has no interest in dominating a game. He didn't do anything to me, he's just playing like crap and I'm gonna call him out on it.

[blueNorange]

What the F is wrong with some of you? This is why we can't have good promising young players.

mike d'antoni
amar'e
mike woodson
tim hardaway jr
jeremy lin
... kristaps porzingis

guys melo has gotten rid of.

[Wolfgang630]

Actually I can complain about both because he's been awful in every part of defense this season.

He's been bad, but not worse than Rose, Melo, or Lee. KP has a dbpm of -1.8. Melo is -3.1, Lee is -4.2, and Rose is -4.5. They all suck on defense except for Noah who is +1.7.

You can throw those numbers in the trash because they mean nothing. KP is the main culprit for playing terrible defense and it's throwing everybody off. Defense needs to be played as a unit and all it takes is one guy not knowing what he's doing for it to fall apart. That one guy who is causing it all to fall apart is Kristaps Porzingis.

You've got some problems. I've read your post and you're on some attack Porzingis crusade. Everybody on the damn team is the problem. Why are you singling out the second year player when the veterans on the team play defense like they've never played defense before? He has shown he can play defense last year. There's a problem internally first and foremost. And when someone shows you the numbers you say "they don't count" because it goes against your crusade.

[blueNorange]

Both and the 2 guys they bashed the most(Rose and Melo) are at least playing well by the rest of the teams standards.

They got KP playing like a bum and the Knicks can't win. That's what they get.

Rose 16pts, 4rebs, 2,5ast, 2to
KP 14.5pts, 6.5rebs, 2blocks

What did KP did to you?

Dude I don't care about numbers watch the games. Rose is getting to the rim and providing some early scoring oops for the team. That's really all we ask of him. As we figure out the offense I think his assist numbers will rise.

KP is playing soft. I don't care about 14 and 6, he's playing like he has no interest in dominating a game. He didn't do anything to me, he's just playing like crap and I'm gonna call him out on it.

derrick rose is averaging 16 points on 16 shots, and 2.5 assists ... that is pathetic.

[IllmaticHandler]

Both and the 2 guys they bashed the most(Rose and Melo) are at least playing well by the rest of the teams standards.

They got KP playing like a bum and the Knicks can't win. That's what they get.

Rose 16pts, 4rebs, 2,5ast, 2to
KP 14.5pts, 6.5rebs, 2blocks

What did KP did to you?

Dude I don't care about numbers watch the games. Rose is getting to the rim and providing some early scoring oops for the team. That's really all we ask of him. As we figure out the offense I think his assist numbers will rise.

KP is playing soft. I don't care about 14 and 6, he's playing like he has no interest in dominating a game. He didn't do anything to me, he's just playing like crap and I'm gonna call him out on it.

Dudes see numbers. There is no stat for playing soft, If there was, he would be one of the league leaders at the moment. Dude was holding his Knees damn near the whole game. He could not wait for a break in the action. I would literally watch the dude in the corner and he would just stand there. stand there. stand there.

[Rotten Apple]

Take away his 7/11 game vs Memphis and he's shooting like 33% from the field or something like that

He's been the biggest disappoint this year to me.

Whoever started that I rather see Porzingis play good and the team lose thread and everyone who agreed with him looks really dumb right now. That's what they get for putting a player over the team.

lmaoo this dude just took away a game to alter stats to fit his agenda ...

It's the one game we won as well. We're 0-3 without that game.

It's called an outlier. It makes his overall numbers look better than what they truly are. And also it proves our point that if he played better like he did vs Memphis we just might have won one of those other 3 games. If he was playing good none of us would be saying a thing.

[K_ick_God]

We should also be somewhat understanding of Hornacek. It's a tough job to blend these guys. It may never happen, and Melo & Rose just may not be very good anymore. Too early to tell that too. But trying to find spots for KP, who approaches the game differently than a Rose or Melo, and has fewer moves and less ability/desire to start taking over games offensively ... this is not an easy team to coach.

There's still some upside there. I'm not giving up on the season. But to pretend that this isn't a tricky offense (and defense, which I maybe giving up on mostly) to get right is silly. It's a chore. He'll earn his money and then some, or he'll quit like Larry Brown and Mike D'Antoni.

[Wolfgang630]

That's Porzingis fault of course. He should've ran through the Piston player and Noah to stop Morris from scoring...lol I mean come on. All Knicks players are accountable.