PG Thread: Making The Knicks Great Again

[jvsimonetti0514]

I'm going to be very upset if Hornecek goes with O'Quinn and Lance over Billy and Cheese. The rotation should be set by now. We've seen more then enough from Billy and Cheese to know they are more productive and far more energetic than O'Quinn and Lance. Around the 4-5 minute mark of the first, Hornecek should sub out KP and bring him back to start the 2nd quarter to run with Jennings, Holiday/Sasha, Cheese and Billy.

I think Hornacek will base his rotations on the situation instead. Our bench players aren't consistent enough to just deserve minutes.

I think Billy should come in the game when we want to force the other team out of small ball line ups. Other then Melo he's the only other guy we have that can back people down in the post.

[nykfan42]

I really like what I see out of Hernangomez and Kuz a lot. They deserve minutes. They bring good energy and Willy plays well inside. He's a pretty skilled bigman.

Kuz has a nice smile and also has a nice overall game.

[RHODEY]

Ur analysis is always spot on. I love it.

Much appreciated!

+1 your posts are awesome.

[NoLayupRule]

I'm going to be very upset if Hornecek goes with O'Quinn and Lance over Billy and Cheese. The rotation should be set by now. We've seen more then enough from Billy and Cheese to know they are more productive and far more energetic than O'Quinn and Lance. Around the 4-5 minute mark of the first, Hornecek should sub out KP and bring him back to start the 2nd quarter to run with Jennings, Holiday/Sasha, Cheese and Billy.

I think this is how I would go as well.

I'm still shocked to hear from Knicks fans that they don't recognize defense

Cheese is nice
Im happy with him and think he should be used as an offensive threat on the 2nd unit

However Thomas is an excellent defender where Cheese is a pretty terrible defender

if were behind or close Id play cheese but you can't ignore the defensive side of the ball

[Greenie]

I'm going to be very upset if Hornecek goes with O'Quinn and Lance over Billy and Cheese. The rotation should be set by now. We've seen more then enough from Billy and Cheese to know they are more productive and far more energetic than O'Quinn and Lance. Around the 4-5 minute mark of the first, Hornecek should sub out KP and bring him back to start the 2nd quarter to run with Jennings, Holiday/Sasha, Cheese and Billy.

Kyle has been fine

[mpharris36]

I'm going to be very upset if Hornecek goes with O'Quinn and Lance over Billy and Cheese. The rotation should be set by now. We've seen more then enough from Billy and Cheese to know they are more productive and far more energetic than O'Quinn and Lance. Around the 4-5 minute mark of the first, Hornecek should sub out KP and bring him back to start the 2nd quarter to run with Jennings, Holiday/Sasha, Cheese and Billy.

I think this is how I would go as well.

I'm still shocked to hear from Knicks fans that they don't recognize defense

Cheese is nice
Im happy with him and think he should be used as an offensive threat on the 2nd unit

However Thomas is an excellent defender where Cheese is a pretty terrible defender

if were behind or close Id play cheese but you can't ignore the defensive side of the ball

Thomas is a solid defender (not a great one) a solid one. So let not overrate his defense. But Lance Thomas is a complete zero on the offensive end. He has a 4.14 PER (which is atrocious) while Kuz has a 24.14 PER (20 points higher).

Now Cheese has some struggles on the defensive side due to his lack of strength but he seems to get into passing lanes and also doesnt mind crashing the boards.

Cheese opens up a lot more on the offensive end with his ability to shoot it, pass it, and drive to the whole better than Lance who if he steps into another 3 and has his toes on the line im going to flip. How hard is it to stand behind the 3 point arc?

[BeagleBoss]

I'm going to be very upset if Hornecek goes with O'Quinn and Lance over Billy and Cheese. The rotation should be set by now. We've seen more then enough from Billy and Cheese to know they are more productive and far more energetic than O'Quinn and Lance. Around the 4-5 minute mark of the first, Hornecek should sub out KP and bring him back to start the 2nd quarter to run with Jennings, Holiday/Sasha, Cheese and Billy.

Kyle has been fine

Poor energy.

[Buttah304]

I'm going to be very upset if Hornecek goes with O'Quinn and Lance over Billy and Cheese. The rotation should be set by now. We've seen more then enough from Billy and Cheese to know they are more productive and far more energetic than O'Quinn and Lance. Around the 4-5 minute mark of the first, Hornecek should sub out KP and bring him back to start the 2nd quarter to run with Jennings, Holiday/Sasha, Cheese and Billy.

I think this is how I would go as well.

I'm still shocked to hear from Knicks fans that they don't recognize defense

Cheese is nice
Im happy with him and think he should be used as an offensive threat on the 2nd unit

However Thomas is an excellent defender where Cheese is a pretty terrible defender

if were behind or close Id play cheese but you can't ignore the defensive side of the ball

You know for a FACT that Lance is not a good defender. He gained weight this year and looks to have the biggest issues moving laterally. His defense is a facade and you should be seeing this.

The other biggest problem with Lance is that he literally jumps like he has 30 pound weights in his shoes. How else can you possibly explain air balling floaters?

Kyle - okay from time to time he plays well but ONLY when he is motivated to do so. If you want to play someone who might or might not be aggressive that day then by all means you have the opinion to feel that way. I just think your wanting to see something that your eyes are not actually witnessing.

[JXL]

O'Quinn has been playing fine, but his effort wanes sometimes, especially if he gets into foul trouble. If they're playing with no scorer off the bench, they're going to get stomped. Jennings is fine as a facilitator, but to not stagger the starters with the bench, get a scorer with those guys. KuzKuz can play with Holiday and Thomas, as long as he's playing the 3. Spread them out, let KuzKuz get some run as the scorer off the bench.

[mpharris36]

I'm going to be very upset if Hornecek goes with O'Quinn and Lance over Billy and Cheese. The rotation should be set by now. We've seen more then enough from Billy and Cheese to know they are more productive and far more energetic than O'Quinn and Lance. Around the 4-5 minute mark of the first, Hornecek should sub out KP and bring him back to start the 2nd quarter to run with Jennings, Holiday/Sasha, Cheese and Billy.

Kyle has been fine

Kyle has been fine this year, agreed. I just think we have an ok bench but the problem is there isn't much separation from the 2nd stringers to the 3rd stringers.

Billy G, Cheese, and Sasha all played nice roles yesterday

thats not saying that they are significantly better than KOQ, LT, and Holiday...they were just playing better at the time.

I just think Billy G is a little more fluid and dynamic than KOQ. KOQ is the better defender at the moment but Billy roles really well to the basket which opens up a lot more when playing alongside KP because you have to respect Billy's finishing ability so that sucks the defense in and opens up the spot up 3's for KP. KOQ is more of a pick and pop instead of a Pick and roll type guy.

I have a hard time defending lance at the moment.

And Holiday has been fine and I like his defense too, but sasha gave us good energy and change the defensive energy when he came in.

[Scalabrine]

I liked the late 3rd early 4th rotation of keeping Melo in with the bench and then subbing him out for KP and letting them carry us for a bit while our other starters got rest. I get that our starting 5 are all really good when all together, but we get killed when we have 5 bench guys out there and both of them (and maybe Rose) can all keep us afloat offensively in that late 3rd early 4th while the rest of the guys get their legs back for the last push.

Jennings and Hernangomez played great. At the end of the game Hernangomez committed a hard foul and went to help the guy up and Jennings ran over and pulled him away and yelled at him to not help the other team. I laughed out loud.

[NoLayupRule]

I think this is how I would go as well.

I'm still shocked to hear from Knicks fans that they don't recognize defense

Cheese is nice
Im happy with him and think he should be used as an offensive threat on the 2nd unit

However Thomas is an excellent defender where Cheese is a pretty terrible defender

if were behind or close Id play cheese but you can't ignore the defensive side of the ball

You know for a FACT that Lance is not a good defender. He gained weight this year and looks to have the biggest issues moving laterally. His defense is a facade and you should be seeing this.

The other biggest problem with Lance is that he literally jumps like he has 30 pound weights in his shoes. How else can you possibly explain air balling floaters?

Kyle - okay from time to time he plays well but ONLY when he is motivated to do so. If you want to play someone who might or might not be aggressive that day then by all means you have the opinion to feel that way. I just think your wanting to see something that your eyes are not actually witnessing.

i didn't realize that knowing something for a fact was determined by using the caps lock key

or misusing the word literally

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[thebuzzardman]

I'm going to be very upset if Hornecek goes with O'Quinn and Lance over Billy and Cheese. The rotation should be set by now. We've seen more then enough from Billy and Cheese to know they are more productive and far more energetic than O'Quinn and Lance. Around the 4-5 minute mark of the first, Hornecek should sub out KP and bring him back to start the 2nd quarter to run with Jennings, Holiday/Sasha, Cheese and Billy.

I think this is how I would go as well.

I'm still shocked to hear from Knicks fans that they don't recognize defense

Cheese is nice
Im happy with him and think he should be used as an offensive threat on the 2nd unit

However Thomas is an excellent defender where Cheese is a pretty terrible defender

if were behind or close Id play cheese but you can't ignore the defensive side of the ball

Thomas isn't a good enough defender to justify his terrible offense.

If I have to pick a poison, I'm going with offense and Kuz.

Same thing with KOQ, who has been better than FLFT, but still.

[jvsimonetti0514]

I liked the late 3rd early 4th rotation of keeping Melo in with the bench and then subbing him out for KP and letting them carry us for a bit while our other starters got rest. I get that our starting 5 are all really good when all together, but we get killed when we have 5 bench guys out there and both of them (and maybe Rose) can all keep us afloat offensively in that late 3rd early 4th while the rest of the guys get their legs back for the last push.

Jennings and Hernangomez played great. At the end of the game Hernangomez committed a hard foul and went to help the guy up and Jennings ran over and pulled him away and yelled at him to not help the other team. I laughed out loud.

Before Melo got cooking in the 3rd it was Rose that had three quick baskets to keep the game in reach. I was really hoping he was going to dunk that alley oop. It's nice having three scorers that can take over the game.

[Deeeez Knicks]

I think this is how I would go as well.

I'm still shocked to hear from Knicks fans that they don't recognize defense

Cheese is nice
Im happy with him and think he should be used as an offensive threat on the 2nd unit

However Thomas is an excellent defender where Cheese is a pretty terrible defender

if were behind or close Id play cheese but you can't ignore the defensive side of the ball

Thomas isn't a good enough defender to justify his terrible offense.

If I have to pick a poison, I'm going with offense and Kuz.

Same thing with KOQ, who has been better than FLFT, but still.

I thought Kuz played pretty good defense last game too. He isn't going to lock anyone down, but he was at least very active and was competing on that end. Made a few defensive plays

[thebuzzardman]

I'm still shocked to hear from Knicks fans that they don't recognize defense

Cheese is nice
Im happy with him and think he should be used as an offensive threat on the 2nd unit

However Thomas is an excellent defender where Cheese is a pretty terrible defender

if were behind or close Id play cheese but you can't ignore the defensive side of the ball

Thomas isn't a good enough defender to justify his terrible offense.

If I have to pick a poison, I'm going with offense and Kuz.

Same thing with KOQ, who has been better than FLFT, but still.

I thought Kuz played pretty good defense last game too. He isn't going to lock anyone down, but he was at least very active and was competing on that end. Made a few defensive plays

I agree. I think Kuz is "ok" as a defender and I think he'll get better as he adjusts to the NBA. I'm just recognizing that FLFT is maybe a little bit better defender (but again, he's nothing special defensively), but wayyyyy worse offensively. And by offensively, I don't only mean scoring ability (which Kuz is clearly better by a wide margin) but also cutting, dribbling, passing, being in the correct spot. He's obviously better in this regard than FLFT as night and day.

[2010]

If Willy doesn't become next MARC I will be very dissapointed. Their games are so similar - both have great hands, great footwork, great finishing around the rim and most importantly instincts off the ball. Lots of promises from 2nd rounder, Love it! Thank you MILLS

Fixed!

[Deeeez Knicks]

Thomas isn't a good enough defender to justify his terrible offense.

If I have to pick a poison, I'm going with offense and Kuz.

Same thing with KOQ, who has been better than FLFT, but still.

I thought Kuz played pretty good defense last game too. He isn't going to lock anyone down, but he was at least very active and was competing on that end. Made a few defensive plays

I agree. I think Kuz is "ok" as a defender and I think he'll get better as he adjusts to the NBA. I'm just recognizing that FLFT is maybe a little bit better defender (but again, he's nothing special defensively), but wayyyyy worse offensively. And by offensively, I don't only mean scoring ability (which Kuz is clearly better by a wide margin) but also cutting, dribbling, passing, being in the correct spot. He's obviously better in this regard than FLFT as night and day.

Yeah, def have to stick with those guys and see if they can keep it up.

[Knickerbock]

Missed yesterdays game... Looks like typical garbage in the first half...

But in the second half they played solid defense... and then went off scoring like over 35 in the 4th?

How did that happen? What changed?