fendilim wrote:npiper17 wrote:fendilim wrote:Yes, that's what I'm saying. If you look at the Sixers' record and the Magic's record from 2012 to 2015, the Wins were not that far off. But they put themselves in a good position, to have higher odds winning the lottery.
And if you think Gordon is in the same league with Wiggins, Parker and Embiid as a basketball player, then I won't argue with you anymore.
As athletes, maybe they are though.
I don't think you're seeing how you're arguing for something and then the other in the same breath. The Magic should have done more to put themselves in a position to win the lottery - but they only won a couple more games than the Sixers? So they should have lost a few more games - is that what you're saying? How did that work in the Cleveland - Wiggins instance then? Magic lost more games than them and the Cavs got lucky because guess what?...that's how a lottery works.
What I am arguing is that we haven't drafted well enough with the picks we had (see the numerous examples of better players taken after Oladipo in 2013) and we haven't yet developed the players we have drafted well enough.
I didn't say they were in the same league (although I think Parker and Gordon have the potential to make similar impact on a winning team but in different areas). I said I didn't think there was a huge drop off as you claimed.
Yes, i'm saying we should have lost more games. The team half-ass tanked every year. Saying we're competing bull. But just look at the record, there really wasnt that much of a difference. Yes, you need luck to win the lottery. But putting yourself in the best position to win it also increases your chance to land a really good player. How many top 9(cleveland) team land in the top 3? Compared to a team with the worst record. That doesnt happen every year compared to the worst record still ending up with a top 3 pick.
So, once again, you're arguing that we should have lost more games even though we lost almost as many games as Philly. I think the first two years we tanked about as well as you can.
But rather than complain about WHERE should we not consider WHO has been drafted? Matt Lloyd was brought over from the Bulls to head up the scouting department to much fanfare with examples of good scouting / drafting at poor draft slots e.g. Jimmy Butler, Taj Gibson, Mirotic.
This team could have a core of Gobert, McCollum and Turner right now. I think that's more of a complaint about the rebuild not being right than to say we didn't lose enough games when even when you lose the most games you still only have a 25% shot at the top pick.
