Proposed 2017-18 Celtics Roster? -- (UPDATE)

[Parliament10]

From the numbers I see on BI, if the C's offer the QO to Olynyk and hold his cap figure of $7.7M, and keep the BK pick, it will be very difficult to sign a max FA and not diminish the roster to create space, especially if the pick is really high and the value rises under the new CBA. I have them at about $75 MM with Olynyk, the non guaranteed deals of Mickey and Jackson, and the rights to Yabu and Zizic. Then there are the first round pick and vet min cap slots to get to 15.
Note: 7 guaranteed deals.

Don't forget, next season we also add 2 x Two-Ways.

[return2glory]

We need Jaylen Brown to be the 5th or 6th best player on this team in the 2nd half of the season. He needs to separate himself from players like Rozier, KO, Jerebko, Young, Zeller, Amir.

Celtics also need a big like Okafor as mentioned. He also need a guard like Jarrett Jack off the bench if Rozier doesn't start playing better soon.

[Banks2Pierce]

I could be completely off, but I think a contender would deal a 1st round pick. Though this year could be different with the Warrior superteam affecting teams' want to add a last piece for the playoffs.

This is what I was getting at. Why do we need a late 1st? We could very well already be a Lebron injury away from the Finals.

We got Horford with our success last season and the cache of assets as the shiny feature to intrigue him. An ECF appearance and nice showing there could clinch Griffin. Kelly's just way better than Jonas. Trading him for non player assets is one of those major blows to the roster that maybe should have been obvious the first couple of weeks of the season with KO out. There's a certain irony there(I think) if KO pushes us over the edge for the ECFs and then we ditch him to get Griffin, but I kinda think that's the story here if you're gonna ponder moving him in a standalone deal. There's also not many FAs worth bidding for over Kelly after that initial obvious tier.

[Avalanche]

I mean, unless the front court is Griffin/Horford we should be looking to make a trade this season

I'd really like to see Blake or Cousins in there to partner Al, or if that's unrealistic grab a big like Vuc this season

but if you can really target Blake, then add a Jackson/Fultz/Smith/Tatum/Giles etc. to the bench:

Thomas/Bradley/Crowder/Griffin/Horford
Rozier/Smart/Brown/Olynyk/Giles

oowee

[forte74]

Wow, really?
A 7-footer, that hits 3's and has good BBIQ. You don't think that we should re-sign him to the 2nd, or 3rd Unit?
I mean, we're paying Zeller (of all people) $8Mil.

On paper he sure looks good , problem is that he does not hit the 3 with a high percentage. Come to think of it there are options : Bogdanovic, Teletovic

Another problem is that he positions himself awkwardly during games , if u watch carefully, sometimes he positions himself directly under the basket, almost impossible for teammates to pass to him .

[Parliament10]

Wow, really?
A 7-footer, that hits 3's and has good BBIQ. You don't think that we should re-sign him to the 2nd, or 3rd Unit?
I mean, we're paying Zeller (of all people) $8Mil.

On paper he sure looks good , problem is that he does not hit the 3 with a high percentage. Come to think of it there are options : Bogdanovic, Teletovic

Another problem is that he positions himself awkwardly during games , if u watch carefully, sometimes he positions himself directly under the basket, almost impossible for teammates to pass to him .

For the 2nd Unit, I think Olynyk is pretty good.
He's a 37% Career 3 pt shooter. -- That's a pretty good percentage.

Which Bogdanovic? They're all like 6'6"-6'7" anyways. Mirza Teletovic, is 6'9".
And none of them are as good as Olynyk. Not that he is GOAT or anything.

Plus, as I said before, Olynyk's a 7-footer with a high BBIQ.
He does position himself rather awkwardly though. It's like he's still not used to being that tall.

[ddb]

Griffin isn't leaving LA. No way.


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[Homerclease]

Griffin isn't leaving LA. No way.


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Durant wasn't leaving OKC and Wade wasn't leaving Miami either. We'll see what happens when they get swept out of the playoffs this year

[Avalanche]

Griffin isn't leaving LA. No way.


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If that's the case (and I kinda agree)... then why is everyone so set on keeping max free agent space?

We need a big, Blake is the only guy you want to throw the max at

so unless we're going for Hayward and putting Jae at the 4, or are willing to pay an ageing Millsap... what's everyone's desperation to keep the max space?

not sure what your view of it is ddb, just seems to me that it's Blake or bust as far as what we actually need in FA

[Parliament10]

Griffin isn't leaving LA. No way.


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If that's the case (and I kinda agree)... then why is everyone so set on keeping max free agent space?

We need a big, Blake is the only guy you want to throw the max at

so unless we're going for Hayward and putting Jae at the 4, or are willing to pay an ageing Millsap... what's everyone's desperation to keep the max space?

not sure what your view of it is ddb, just seems to me that it's Blake or bust as far as what we actually need in FA

Personally, I don't think we need a Max FA.
Sorry to Horford, and those in Championship-Ring-Now Mode. But my belief, is that we have what we want, from the Draft. And then a Trade for an Okafor-like, would do us well.

But, I don't think that we're gonna get another Max FA, anytime soon. Nor do we need one.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not stupid; it would nice, to acquire a Quality FA.

But the ensuing Salary Cap woes, from having two Max Contracts? I prefer to pass on that.

Let's stick with the Kids we got. And see What we got.
Don't Shoot the Messenger, but this is what I have.:

Thomas / Rozier / Jackson
Bradley / Smart / Two-Way Contract
Brown / Crowder / Nader / Two-Way Contract
Horford / Giles / Mickey / Yabusele
Okafor / Zizic / Olynyk

[jmr07019]

Sucks that there are no quality big men available. There's Griffin, Noel, Ibaka and then who?

[Captain_Caveman]

Griffin isn't leaving LA. No way.


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Durant wasn't leaving OKC and Wade wasn't leaving Miami either. We'll see what happens when they get swept out of the playoffs this year

KD leaving OKC was always a big possibility.

[Captain_Caveman]

Griffin isn't leaving LA. No way.


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If that's the case (and I kinda agree)... then why is everyone so set on keeping max free agent space?

We need a big, Blake is the only guy you want to throw the max at

so unless we're going for Hayward and putting Jae at the 4, or are willing to pay an ageing Millsap... what's everyone's desperation to keep the max space?

not sure what your view of it is ddb, just seems to me that it's Blake or bust as far as what we actually need in FA

We likely don't even have max cap space.

Doesn't mean we will trade for slobs like Monroe, as I have been reading in other threads.

[forte74]

It does not have to be a blockbuster-rade,


look at what other teams did,

raptors got Siakam...

Minnesota got Aldrich during the offseason.

[LordCovington33]

Griffin isn't leaving LA. No way.


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If that's the case (and I kinda agree)... then why is everyone so set on keeping max free agent space?

We need a big, Blake is the only guy you want to throw the max at

so unless we're going for Hayward and putting Jae at the 4, or are willing to pay an ageing Millsap... what's everyone's desperation to keep the max space?

not sure what your view of it is ddb, just seems to me that it's Blake or bust as far as what we actually need in FA

Personally, I don't think we need a Max FA.
Sorry to Horford, and those in Championship-Ring-Now Mode. But my belief, is that we have what we want, from the Draft. And then a Trade for an Okafor-like, would do us well.

But, I don't think that we're gonna get another Max FA, anytime soon. Nor do we need one.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not stupid; it would nice, to acquire a Quality FA.

But the ensuing Salary Cap woes, from having two Max Contracts? I prefer to pass on that.

Let's stick with the Kids we got. And see What we got.
Don't Shoot the Messenger, but this is what I have.:

Thomas / Rozier / Jackson
Bradley / Smart / Two-Way Contract
Brown / Crowder / Nader / Two-Way Contract
Horford / Giles / Mickey / Yabusele
Okafor / Zizic / Olynyk

Word around the camp fire is that Giles will not play for Duke this season and be a one and done. If true, he might fall later in the draft, providing you guys and opportunity to trade down (your pick = later lottery pick + filler)

[Kolkmania]

It does not have to be a blockbuster-rade,


look at what other teams did,

raptors got Siakam...

Minnesota got Aldrich during the offseason.

But both of these guys are acquired for the 2nd unit. If the Celtics really want to make a leap, a quality big man next to Horford is needed. It all comes down what DA's intention is this off season. Does he want to compete next year? Then all of the cap space should be used and even some late 1st round picks should be thrown into the mix to further strengthen the team. If not, deal one of the future expiring contracts (Bradley, Thomas, Smart), give big minutes to Brown and the BKN '17 and keep cap flexibility.

Unless a player of the Blake Griffin tier is available (which I highly doubt) I would try to deal one of the above mentioned guys for an asset that fits with the time scheme of contending in 3/4 years instead of next year. Don't see a superstar becoming available in a trade (Cousins not a superstar in my opinion) soon.

[forte74]

however we cant win many games during the playoffs with Zeller as our main big backup.... it just wont happen...sooner or later we will get exposed.. I'm talking about the small adjustments we have to make in order to become successful.

[jrob23]

Ball/Smith Jr.-Rozier-Jackson
Bradley-Smart-'2017 2nd rounder
Crowder-Brown-Nader
Blake-Yabusele-2017 2nd rouner
Horford-Zizic-KO

Gone: Amir, Young, IT, Mickey, JJ, Zeller

[Kolkmania]

Ball/Smith Jr.-Rozier-Jackson
Bradley-Smart-'2017 2nd rounder
Crowder-Brown-Nader
Blake-Yabusele-2017 2nd rouner
Horford-Zizic-KO

Gone: Amir, Young, IT, Mickey, JJ, Zeller

Did you just waive Isaiah Thomas? I'm sure he's at least worth a 2nd round pick.

[jrob23]

Ball/Smith Jr.-Rozier-Jackson
Bradley-Smart-'2017 2nd rounder
Crowder-Brown-Nader
Blake-Yabusele-2017 2nd rouner
Horford-Zizic-KO

Gone: Amir, Young, IT, Mickey, JJ, Zeller

Did you just waive Isaiah Thomas? I'm sure he's at least worth a 2nd round pick.

yeah I didn't know what to do with him lmao. I just have us drafting a Day 1 starter at PG among the many in next year's draft class. I'd put IT on bench as 6th man but don't think he'd be team player and do it, not that I blame him. So he'd be moved for something i.e. pick/player or both. I got lazy not figuring out just what that would entail. This is more my hope for a proposed lineup not what I actually believe will happen.

Just to speculate, if Danny were to move IT to take a PG, what do you think they'd ask for him? Who'd be a good fit that a) wants/needs him b) has player of pick to match up in a trade? I've been trying to find a fit myself but the best I can come up with as far as who'd want/need him but not necessarily is a good fit to offer us much, are: NY, MIL, HOU, MIA, DAL, PHI. Of those who even has anything to offer? PHI seems like a good fit tbh as they have bigs and could really use IT. He'd make them instant contenders assuming everyone is healthy. I think I just have to accept that IT is going nowhere anytime soon and we'll continue to be pretenders.