Political Roundtable Part XI

[tontoz]

I didn't realize that cops shooting blacks red/blue issue. I thought it was a black/white issue. Having a black president certainly did nothing to curb the violence.

[Zonkerbl]

http://professorwatchlist.org/index.php/about-us

"The mission of Professor Watchlist is to expose and document college professors who discriminate against conservative students, promote anti-American values, and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom."

[nate33]

"liberal fascism," snicker

Ok, first off, let's agree what fascism is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

"Robert Paxton says that fascism is "a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victimhood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion."

Ok, so on both sides you have "victimization," although on the white side it's pretty much imaginary, except for uneducated white people, and on the "liberal" side you have babies crying about being summarily executed in the streets by police, boo hoo.

On the left side you have a message of love and unity and how wonderful this country is. On the alt-right we have Bannon and a bunch of gun nuts wailing about how awful things are (despite the economy doing better than it has in decades), blaming Muslims and Mexicans for all their problems and loudly and consistently proposing policies to persecute them.

And we have Trump loudly and openly persecuting the press.

The only element of fascism that we don't have yet from the alt-right is scooping up Muslims into camps and sending them to the gas chambers. It hasn't happened yet because we are at the early stages of fascism where that behavior has not yet been normalized. We are getting closer and closer every day.

And if we don't call a spade a spade, and call out fascist behavior where we see it, and condemn it loudly, and march out in the streets yelling as loudly as we can that we won't tolerate it, it WILL happen. Because people are fundamentally tribal creatures. We've evolved to have absolutely no moral qualms with killing people who aren't members of our tribe. It's something we have to constantly battle with. We're losing that battle right now in the US.

There are a lot more definitions of fascism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_fascism

Many on the left seek to equate fascism and nationalism as being the same thing. It's a convenient way to import more socialist-minded third-worlders so you can win elections. But fascism isn't the evil Hitlerian type of fascism without a strong component of authoritarianism - including the rigid enforcement of opinion and the bullying of dissenters. And that's the specialty of the left.

[DCZards]

No, it's a fringe group of white nationalists headed by attention whore Richard Spencer. The media flattered him by labeling him the "leader of the alt-right" and now Spencer thinks he is a significant figure when, in fact, all he is is a straw man whom the media set up so they can tear him down in an effort to impugn all Trump supporters. If Spencer really was a Trump supporter, he'd shut the hell up and stay in the shadows rather than try and hurt Trump politically with his odious presence.

There were what, 50 people there? And maybe a dozen saluted him? Nobody is saying that there aren't white nationalists out there. It's just that there's so few of them that they're not worth discussing. The only reason they're in the news is because it drives a media Narrative. The fact that Spencer is out there making an ass out of himself should give you relief. Clearly, the sinister White Nationalists have no sense of strategy.

So, I get it. Two or three crazies beating up someone because they voted for Trump is an example of "liberal facism." But a room full of white nationalists, with some chanting "Heil Victory," is not worth discussing.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Not taking a position here, but a good political way to solve the timing problem is this:

-- A vote today abolishes the Electoral College in 20 (or 50) years.

That way, nobody voting for it knows if it will benefit their party or not, so you can take the political calculus out of it.

I know you aren't taking a position but rhetorically speaking, didn't the electoral college do what it was supposed to do? It made sure that a couple of states didn't dominate the conversation?

Why do we care if a couple states dominate the conversation? It's where people live. They dominate the conversation because there are lots of people living there. Geography and surface area matter because?

I have a master's degree in education and I disagree with you.

The same way you mock Christianity and equate it to nap time I consider your views incorrect.

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[nate33]

No, it's a fringe group of white nationalists headed by attention whore Richard Spencer. The media flattered him by labeling him the "leader of the alt-right" and now Spencer thinks he is a significant figure when, in fact, all he is is a straw man whom the media set up so they can tear him down in an effort to impugn all Trump supporters. If Spencer really was a Trump supporter, he'd shut the hell up and stay in the shadows rather than try and hurt Trump politically with his odious presence.

There were what, 50 people there? And maybe a dozen saluted him? Nobody is saying that there aren't white nationalists out there. It's just that there's so few of them that they're not worth discussing. The only reason they're in the news is because it drives a media Narrative. The fact that Spencer is out there making an ass out of himself should give you relief. Clearly, the sinister White Nationalists have no sense of strategy.

So, I get it. Two or three crazies beating up someone because they voted for Trump is an example of "liberal facism." But a room full of white nationalists, with some chanting "Heil Victory," is not worth discussing.

There are dozens of examples of leftist supporters attacking Trump supporters caught on video. It's a thing.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I find one thing most interesting about the Ds right now. They are the ones most vociferously defending our public education model. Our public education model still has yet to cross the 30% line for those with a college degree.

What was that breakdown of those voting for Hillary again?

The number one thing Ds should do is push for a larger college educated electorate - and yet they are the very blockers to that demographic (IMO).

Trump wanted to make Ben Carson Secretary of Education. I think any rational person would prefer our current imperfect system over Ben Carson instituting creationism and nap time into our core curriculum.

I will take the devils advocate position on this one. I would think that Carson would not be able to affect the teaching of creationism in schools but would be able to neutralize the NAACP on the use of charter schools. I would think he might do more good than bad in this example.

And you know I am not a Carson fan... but he might just have had a positive outcome on schools.

I wonder how in the world Ben Carson is considered stupid and the man is a brain surgeon.

If he were a white man it would not be so.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Trump wanted to make Ben Carson Secretary of Education. I think any rational person would prefer our current imperfect system over Ben Carson instituting creationism and nap time into our core curriculum.

I will take the devils advocate position on this one. I would think that Carson would not be able to affect the teaching of creationism in schools but would be able to neutralize the NAACP on the use of charter schools. I would think he might do more good than bad in this example.

And you know I am not a Carson fan... but he might just have had a positive outcome on schools.

I think we can find someone in this vast nation of ours who is capable of addressing the issue of charter schools while not being a crazy religious zealot

Crazy religious zealot brain surgeon

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[nate33]

Trump wanted to make Ben Carson Secretary of Education. I think any rational person would prefer our current imperfect system over Ben Carson instituting creationism and nap time into our core curriculum.

I will take the devils advocate position on this one. I would think that Carson would not be able to affect the teaching of creationism in schools but would be able to neutralize the NAACP on the use of charter schools. I would think he might do more good than bad in this example.

And you know I am not a Carson fan... but he might just have had a positive outcome on schools.

I wonder how in the world Ben Carson is considered stupid and the man is a brain surgeon.

If he were a white man it would not be so.

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I don't think it's his race, CCJ. It's because he's a conservative, and liberals think conservatives are all stupid, especially devoutly religious conservatives.

That said, I'm not really sure what expertise Carson could bring to the table as Secretary of Education. Secretary of Health and Human Services, or Surgeon General makes more sense to me.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Trump should have offered him something to do with health

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[DCZards]

No, it's a fringe group of white nationalists headed by attention whore Richard Spencer. The media flattered him by labeling him the "leader of the alt-right" and now Spencer thinks he is a significant figure when, in fact, all he is is a straw man whom the media set up so they can tear him down in an effort to impugn all Trump supporters. If Spencer really was a Trump supporter, he'd shut the hell up and stay in the shadows rather than try and hurt Trump politically with his odious presence.

There were what, 50 people there? And maybe a dozen saluted him? Nobody is saying that there aren't white nationalists out there. It's just that there's so few of them that they're not worth discussing. The only reason they're in the news is because it drives a media Narrative. The fact that Spencer is out there making an ass out of himself should give you relief. Clearly, the sinister White Nationalists have no sense of strategy.

So, I get it. Two or three crazies beating up someone because they voted for Trump is an example of "liberal facism." But a room full of white nationalists, with some chanting "Heil Victory," is not worth discussing.

There are dozens of examples of leftist supporters attacking Trump supporters caught on video. It's a thing.

And there are just as many (if not more) examples of Trump supporters attacking and/or taunting Muslims and immigrants, especially white kids taunting Hispanic kids in schools. I think we should simply just acknowledge that both the pro-Clinton and pro-Trump sides have within them some bad people who are doing bad things to innocent people.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Tulsi Gabbard is in the news. l think she will be the first female president.

I have met two of her brothers.

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[nate33]

So, I get it. Two or three crazies beating up someone because they voted for Trump is an example of "liberal facism." But a room full of white nationalists, with some chanting "Heil Victory," is not worth discussing.

There are dozens of examples of leftist supporters attacking Trump supporters caught on video. It's a thing.

And there are just as many (if not more) examples of Trump supporters attacking and/or taunting Muslims and immigrants, especially white kids taunting Hispanic kids in schools. I think we should simply just acknowledge that both the pro-Clinton and pro-Trump sides have within them some bad people who are doing bad things to innocent people.

No there isn't. And taunting isn't the same thing as physical violence. Show me one video of physical violence by a Trump supporter other than one from a year ago when a protestor was belligerent during the middle of a Trump rally.

[AFM]

Tulsi Gabbard is in the news. l think she will be the first female president.

I have met two of her brothers.

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She's hot too!

[nate33]

Media is becoming unhinged:



http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/22/national-politico-editor-publishes-home-addresses-of-alt-right-icon-richard-spencer-advocates-for-baseball-bats/

[nate33]

Tulsi Gabbard is in the news. l think she will be the first female president.

I have met two of her brothers.

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I don't know too much about her other than her non-interventionist foreign policy (of which I approve).

[DCZards]

There are dozens of examples of leftist supporters attacking Trump supporters caught on video. It's a thing.

And there are just as many (if not more) examples of Trump supporters attacking and/or taunting Muslims and immigrants, especially white kids taunting Hispanic kids in schools. I think we should simply just acknowledge that both the pro-Clinton and pro-Trump sides have within them some bad people who are doing bad things to innocent people.

No there isn't. And taunting isn't the same thing as physical violence. Show me one video of physical violence by a Trump supporter other than one from a year ago when a protestor was belligerent during the middle of a Trump rally.

Ok, Nate, you win. Trump supporters have been perfect angels. After all, YOU haven't seen any videos, photos or news reports to the contrary.

[Wizardspride]

Tulsi Gabbard is in the news. l think she will be the first female president.

I have met two of her brothers.

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Nope.

Kamala Harris.

[Zonkerbl]

No, it's a fringe group of white nationalists headed by attention whore Richard Spencer. The media flattered him by labeling him the "leader of the alt-right" and now Spencer thinks he is a significant figure when, in fact, all he is is a straw man whom the media set up so they can tear him down in an effort to impugn all Trump supporters. If Spencer really was a Trump supporter, he'd shut the hell up and stay in the shadows rather than try and hurt Trump politically with his odious presence.

There were what, 50 people there? And maybe a dozen saluted him? Nobody is saying that there aren't white nationalists out there. It's just that there's so few of them that they're not worth discussing. The only reason they're in the news is because it drives a media Narrative. The fact that Spencer is out there making an ass out of himself should give you relief. Clearly, the sinister White Nationalists have no sense of strategy.

So, I get it. Two or three crazies beating up someone because they voted for Trump is an example of "liberal facism." But a room full of white nationalists, with some chanting "Heil Victory," is not worth discussing.

There are dozens of examples of leftist supporters attacking Trump supporters caught on video. It's a thing.

Oh I fricking dare you Nate. I was able to cut and paste two pages of examples of hate crimes occurring after Nov 8th in half an hour.

I defy you to come up with more than just one example.

[nate33]

So, I get it. Two or three crazies beating up someone because they voted for Trump is an example of "liberal facism." But a room full of white nationalists, with some chanting "Heil Victory," is not worth discussing.

There are dozens of examples of leftist supporters attacking Trump supporters caught on video. It's a thing.

Oh I fricking dare you Nate. I was able to cut and paste two pages of examples of hate crimes occurring after Nov 8th in half an hour.

I defy you to come up with more than just one example.

Who said anything about "after November 8th"?