Charlotte Hornets History Thread

Post #1 » by **fatlever** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:04 pm

Per Lamar's request, a thread to log Hornets/Bobcats history as found on the net or discussed on the board. Added to the index.

LamarMatic7 · Post #2 » by **LamarMatic7** » Tue Oct 25, 2016 4:50 pm

WOW. To have the power to encourage such things...

The first post should probably then be the already mentioned Kelly Tripucka podcast by Adam Ryan.

They talk about his Hornets stint from the 46:00 mark in this second part of the interview:
http://inallairness.com/air074-kelly-tripucka-part-ii-notre-dame-star-two-time-nba-all-star-and-broadcaster-podcast/

A great listen for Hornets fans, even if you know the history behind the team's inception. Tripucka breaks down all of the events in detail and shares some personal experiences.

Eoghan · Post #3 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:11 am

Random factoid I found out the other day. I went to the University of NC Wilmington which has produced a whopping two NBA players. One of them was on the original Hornets roster, 6'9" PF Brian Rowsom. The other was Matt Fish.

Post #4 » by **fatlever** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 3:22 am

Back in the day, we used to call Brian Rowsom "LoboMan" because he played like he had a lobotomy.

Post #5 » by **JDR720** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:06 pm

this thread made me think about records. do we have a hornets record thread? i feel like i have seen one before, can probably be updated if it does exist.

Post #6 » by **JDR720** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:09 pm

and i found it. hasn't been updated since 2014 it looks like.
viewtopic.php?f=53&t=989176

Post #7 » by **fatlever** » Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:26 pm

Yeah, I stopped updating it once we merged back into the Hornets. It was just too much to go back and fill in all the old records. Also, Bball-ref just makes it so easy these days to pull up all this stuff. Maybe we could start from scratch and make a new one.

MPM · Post #8 » by **MPM** » Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:52 pm

So, yeah, I'm old school. My brother came across this yesterday and sent me a pic.

First row, upper level, near center court. Loved these seats.

Post #9 » by **fatlever** » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:59 pm

MPM wrote:So, yeah, I'm old school. My brother came across this yesterday and sent me a pic.

First row, upper level, near center court. Loved these seats.

I was at that game. Nuggets were my favorite team during the first two years of the Hornets, until they traded Fat Lever later that summer. I made sure to find a way to get to the Nuggets games in 89-90 season. That was the year we played in the Western Conference, so the Nuggets came to Charlotte twice.

Hornets won. Fat had 26, but took 25 shots to get it.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199002160CHH.html

Post #10 » by **fatlever** » Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:06 pm

Can you imagine how brutal the travel must have been that season with the Hornets having to play all the WC teams 4 times rather than 2. Hornets had 5 trips to the west coast that season. Check out this stretch of games from March 5th to March 21 1990.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHH/1990_games.html

@ GS
@ Den
@ Sac
Det
LAL
@ Sea
@ Por
@ LAC
@ LAL
@ Pho

That is nuts.

BlackOutBuzz · Post #11 » by **BlackOutBuzz** » Thu Nov 17, 2016 5:46 pm

fatlever wrote:Can you imagine how brutal the travel must have been that season with the Hornets having to play all the WC teams 4 times rather than 2. Hornets had 5 trips to the west coast that season. Check out this stretch of games from March 5th to March 21 1990.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHH/1990_games.html

@ GS
@ Den
@ Sac
Det
LAL
@ Sea
@ Por
@ LAC
@ LAL
@ Pho

That is nuts.

Panthers were originally considered NFC West as well. I often wonder how travel affects a team like Memphis, what with several of their opponents being two timezones over.

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LamarMatic7 · Post #12 » by **LamarMatic7** » Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:44 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:
fatlever wrote:Can you imagine how brutal the travel must have been that season with the Hornets having to play all the WC teams 4 times rather than 2. Hornets had 5 trips to the west coast that season. Check out this stretch of games from March 5th to March 21 1990.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHH/1990_games.html

@ GS
@ Den
@ Sac
Det
LAL
@ Sea
@ Por
@ LAC
@ LAL
@ Pho

That is nuts.

Panthers were originally considered NFC West as well. I often wonder how travel affects a team like Memphis, what with several of their opponents being two timezones over.

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Portland usually takes the brunt of the inhuman schedule NBA teams have. They have lead the league in miles traveled during the season many times.

LamarMatic7 · Post #13 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:48 pm

could Kemba Walker be the greatest player in franchise history after this season ends?

he'll only have Dell Curry, Muggsy Bogues and Gerald Wallace in front of him in games played for the Horncats (needs 23 more games to surpass a bunch of 5-season guys in Larry Johnson, Ray Felton, Matt Carroll, Gerald Henderson).

same goes for minutes played (though, LJ could maintain the 4th place).

and he's on track to surpass Crash and LJ this season for the second place in points. Dell will remain #1 for the time being.

I love Dell, but he's the signature franchise lifer who was a good player, but no All-Star. I'd say that Kemba's already past him. same goes for Muggsy. a Hornets lifer, a cult player due to his height, but not a player who earned awards or anything.

so then there's LJ and Crash.

Crash will have 1.5 seasons on Kemba when the year ends, but he unfortunately is the face of blah Bobcats teams. Hundred fantastic dunks and blocks, never-ending effort, one All-Star game, one All-Defensive team and one playoff appearance (a sweep) is nice, but Kemba is likely to have three playoff appearances and probably more than three playoff wins, one of which came thanks to his 34 points.

LJ? Five seasons, averages of 19/9/4, rookie of the year, two-time All-Star, one-time All-NBA 2nd-Teamer, two playoffs appearances, one Conference Semifinal. Was the franchise's first real star, had commercials that were known nationwide, popularized the Charlotte Hornets.

If we're very optimistic about this year, Kemba could snatch an All-Star invitation and the team could win a 3-6, 4-5 playoff series. He probably doesn't make an All-NBA team (Irving, Lowry, DeRozan, Lillard, Westbrook, Harden, Paul, Curry, Thompson... just too much of these guys).

Is that enough? Or do you think he needs the seventh year (the next season) and one more playoff series or All-Star Game to get over the top.

HornetJail · Post #14 » by **HornetJail** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:52 pm

Kemba will be there by the time his contract ends in 2019. I'm confident about that.

LamarMatic7 · Post #15 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:59 pm

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:Kemba will be there by the time his contract ends in 2019. I'm confident about that.

I think there's no doubt about that. There literally isn't a precedent of a player as good as Kemba playing eight years for the franchise.

Post #16 » by **fatlever** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:29 pm

Kemba vs Larry Johnson is a tough call. Do you go with who was better at their peak or who had the longevity? Kemba will certainly have the latter since its hard to envision him being traded in the next two years. However, in my eyes, Larry still takes the crown for being the best Hornets play, a legit franchise player before the hurt his back. We've only had two legit franchise players in the history of the franchise - Larry Johnson and Alonzo Mourning. Sadly both had short stints as the Hornets franchise players, for different reason.

At the very least, I think its fair to put Kemba as the starter on the all Hornets franchise team as the point guard, ahead of Bogues, Felton and Baron Davis.

Fats All Hornets Franchise Team
PG: Kemba Walker
SG: Glen Rice
SF: Gerald Wallace
PF: Larry Johnson
C: Alonzo Mourning

LamarMatic7 · Post #17 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:34 pm

fatlever wrote:Kemba vs Larry Johnson is a tough call. Do you go with who was better at their peak or who had the longevity? Kemba will certainly have the latter since its hard to envision him being traded in the next two years. However, in my eyes, Larry still takes the crown for being the best Hornets play, a legit franchise player before the hurt his back. We've only had two legit franchise players in the history of the franchise - Larry Johnson and Alonzo Mourning. Sadly both had short stints as the Hornets franchise players, for different reason.

At the very least, I think its fair to put Kemba as the starter on the all Hornets franchise team as the point guard, ahead of Bogues, Felton and Baron Davis.

Fats All Hornets Franchise Team
PG: Kemba Walker
SG: Glen Rice
SF: Gerald Wallace
PF: Larry Johnson
C: Alonzo Mourning

I reckon that Kemba's longevity will eventually be more impressive than LJ's greatness. As for your starting five, how many beers in you would have be to take Kenny Gattison over Mourning due to his longer time with the franchise?

Post #18 » by **fatlever** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:35 pm

All Hornets Franchise 2nd Team gets a little muddy because you then you really have to choose between longevity or peak or even worse, two players who were here only a couple of years.
Muggsy Bogues or Baron Davis
Dell Curry or Eddie Jones or David Wesley
Jamal Mashburn or Stephen Jackson or Jason Richardson or Nic Batum or MKG
Anthony Mason or PJ Brown or Marvin Williams or Boris Diaw
Emeka Okafor or Vlade Divac or Al Jefferson

Post #19 » by **fatlever** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:37 pm

LamarMatic7 wrote:
I reckon that Kemba's longevity will eventually be more impressive than LJ's greatness. As for your starting five, how many beers in you would have be to take Kenny Gattison over Mourning due to his longer time with the franchise?

LOL the GatMan? At least a 12 pack. Hell, I'd put Cody over Gatman.

LamarMatic7 · Post #20 » by **LamarMatic7** » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:17 pm

fatlever wrote:
LamarMatic7 wrote:
I reckon that Kemba's longevity will eventually be more impressive than LJ's greatness. As for your starting five, how many beers in you would have be to take Kenny Gattison over Mourning due to his longer time with the franchise?

LOL the GatMan? At least a 12 pack. Hell, I'd put Cody over Gatman.

Haha, come on... You love the GatMan!