Where is Jahlil Okafor?

[TTP]

I grasp it perfectly well, but it is illogical. Your defense of the claim that he can't play the 4 is simply that you are stating it.

Since when can Okafor not hit an outside shot? He hit them fine last year. If you have to be able to hit 3 pointers to play the 4 then he won't be able to do it, but that has never been a requirement. He was hitting 16-18 footers ok, and if given the responsibility to do it regularly I don't know why he couldn't do it even better.

Just simply put him out on the floor in that role and give it a month of trying it. There is no reason why we don't try this stuff. It's not like we are contending for anything.

We have nothing to lose, and everything to gain by trying it. If we aren't going to try it then we might as well cut Noel and Okafor today because we are unserious about developing them, and will lose them for nothing.

When choosing between Noel and Okafor, we can't simply choose Okafor because Noel's contract is up earlier. Noel's contract situation forces us to make a decision by the trade deadline this year. Are we really going to stick with Okafor before we know whether or not he can do it?

With Simmons being out it is the perfect time to try this.

I'm fine with trading both of them if we determine that neither of them can do it, but I'm not fine with trading both of them before we try it unless somehow we are given offers that we can't refuse.

They are both house money in a sense, but we still owe it to ourselves to give it a shot.


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Hit them fine last year? Okafor shot 35.3% from 10-16 feet last year and 27.4% from 16<3 (not to mention going 1-6 on 3s). He shot 68.6% from the line and is shooting 55.3% from the line this year. What successful 4s shoot that poorly?

Fun fact: Nerlens is shooting better from 16 feet+ for his career than Okafor.

[Ericb5]

That's not saying he SHOULD play power forward.

He's a center. If he's bad at center he'll be worse at power forward. Because he's not a power forward he's a center. He should concentrate on becoming playable at the position he is best at. Which is center.

Nobody is saying that he SHOULD do anything. What is the point of having him on the team if we aren't going to try to make it work?

In a world where players are only allowed to play one position neither Noel nor Okafor can survive on the Sixers. We have to try to make it work.

Players can play more than one position in reality. You don't just proclaim that they can only play one position and then trade them before trying anything else.


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Some players can play more than one position. Okafor is not one of those players at this point. There are plenty of centers and point guards that can only play those positions.

One of he or Noel can absolutely survive on the Sixers. One of them can be the backup center. Maybe when Embiid is actually playing his full minutes he can play a few minutes at the 4.

I'm not saying trade Okafor (honestly what are you getting for him at this point anyway). I'm saying force him to work on the things that make him a center rather than trying to turn him into a power forward.

I could see trying to get him to play power forward if it seemed like he was super productive at the center and we needed to find a way to get him on the court. But at this point his problems are so fundamental that the worst thing they can do right now is try to force him to play a position he isn't suited for and has never seriously played before in the middle of the season. He needs things to be as simple as possible if he's going to come out of this.

Neither Noel nor Okafor can survive on the Sixers if they are only allowed to play the center position unless Embiid busts because there simply won't be enough minutes for them. Once Embiid gets up to 32-34 minutes a game then there will only be 14-16 minutes available to the backup center.

Noel is going to force us to pay him this summer, and that means that to keep him for that small role we will have to pay him big money. Ok, so he needs to go.

The same thing will be true of Okafor in a few years. Yes we have the time to figure it out with him, but time is only useful if it is being used. Just having him alternate with Embiid is not getting us closer to an answer.

When Simmons comes back then there will be far fewer minutes available at the 4 so the time to try it is now. I don't want to force Embiid or Simmons to have to accommodate anyone else because they are the most important players.

If we truly already have determined that Okafor and Noel will never be allowed to play at the 4 then we should just get them off of the team now. Trade them for anything that you can get because neither of them will EVER be the backup center on the Sixers. They will both make too much money to play 15 minutes a game.

Holmes is the guy that actually has a shot at being the backup center, and we should just move on to grooming him for that role in that case.


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[Sixerscan]

Nobody is saying that he SHOULD do anything. What is the point of having him on the team if we aren't going to try to make it work?

In a world where players are only allowed to play one position neither Noel nor Okafor can survive on the Sixers. We have to try to make it work.

Players can play more than one position in reality. You don't just proclaim that they can only play one position and then trade them before trying anything else.


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Some players can play more than one position. Okafor is not one of those players at this point. There are plenty of centers and point guards that can only play those positions.

One of he or Noel can absolutely survive on the Sixers. One of them can be the backup center. Maybe when Embiid is actually playing his full minutes he can play a few minutes at the 4.

I'm not saying trade Okafor (honestly what are you getting for him at this point anyway). I'm saying force him to work on the things that make him a center rather than trying to turn him into a power forward.

I could see trying to get him to play power forward if it seemed like he was super productive at the center and we needed to find a way to get him on the court. But at this point his problems are so fundamental that the worst thing they can do right now is try to force him to play a position he isn't suited for and has never seriously played before in the middle of the season. He needs things to be as simple as possible if he's going to come out of this.

Neither Noel nor Okafor can survive on the Sixers if they are only allowed to play the center position unless Embiid busts because there simply won't be enough minutes for them. Once Embiid gets up to 32-34 minutes a game then there will only be 14-16 minutes available to the backup center.

Noel is going to force us to pay him this summer, and that means that to keep him for that small role we will have to pay him big money. Ok, so he needs to go.

The same thing will be true of Okafor in a few years. Yes we have the time to figure it out with him, but time is only useful if it is being used. Just having him alternate with Embiid is not getting us closer to an answer.

When Simmons comes back then there will be far fewer minutes available at the 4 so the time to try it is now. I don't want to force Embiid or Simmons to have to accommodate anyone else because they are the most important players.

If we truly already have determined that Okafor and Noel will never be allowed to play at the 4 then we should just get them off of the team now. Trade them for anything that you can get because neither of them will EVER be the backup center on the Sixers. They will both make too much money to play 15 minutes a game.

Holmes is the guy that actually has a shot at being the backup center, and we should just move on to grooming him for that role in that case.


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Who are these teams that are going to pay Okafor a lot of money if he keeps playing the way he has? You're not seeing the big picture here if you think our biggest concern is someone offering Okafor a butt ton of money. The main concern is just trying to find a way to justify him being on the court at all at this point.

He straight up just has not shown himself to be wildly overqualified to be a backup center. Once he actually shows himself to be overqualified and actually "feasts on backups" the way people promised that he would, THEN we can start worrying about more creative ways to get him on the court. Until then let's just focus on getting him right at center. We have 2.5 years after all.

[TeamHigh]

I grasp it perfectly well, but it is illogical. Your defense of the claim that he can't play the 4 is simply that you are stating it.

Since when can Okafor not hit an outside shot? He hit them fine last year.

Speaking of defense of the claim simply by stating it... Okafor's shooting stats are posted above by TTP. By no means did he "hit them fine last year."

And yes, we have plenty of evidence to defend that claim. Merely pointing out his factual shooting stats from outside the painted area is evidence. The fact that last year BB tried to play him and Noel and they were both clearly better with just one of them on the floor at a time is evidence.

If you want to go the absurdist route of needing absolute proof (against all possible lineups in the NBA? during the entire duration of the game?), I submit we should play Embiid at point guard. It doesn't matter that there's plenty of reasons not to play him there, we don't have proof positive because he hasn't played extended minutes at point. We owe it to ourselves to see if he's capable...

Just look at the only time they shared playing time so far. Against Atlanta. What happened there? Millsap guarded Embiid because he was the floor spacer. Howard guarded Okafor.

On the other end, Okafor guarded Howard and forced Embiid to chase Millsap on the perimeter. That highlight block of Embiid on Howard? Okafor was guarding him.

NBA defenses aren't stupid. They aren't going to surrender an advantage just because. Okafor needs to be in the low post to operate mildly efficiently on offense. They aren't going to put their smaller 4 on him just because he's next to Embiid. If Embiid is spacing the ball for Okafor, he's the de facto 4 and they'll put their 4 on him. If Embiid is in the low block, they'll sag off Okafor and have no problem collapsing both onto him.

If you try to play both of them in the post, you'll just have a clogged lane every time like Noel and Okafor.

The scenario you're talking about literally does not exist. Not until Okafor proves he can consistently hit an outside shot and defenses are forced to respect him out there. Even then, you're squandering Embiid's elite rim protection by forcing him to chase around guys on the perimeter because Okafor is a poor defender in space. And if we're living in a fantasy world where bad shooters magically develop good outside shots, I would much rather Noel do it because he's a much better roll man and defender.

I understand the crux of what you're saying. That there's no better time to experiment with it, and maybe, just maybe, it'll work against all odds. Trust me, all of us here would like nothing better than for Okafor and Embiid to somehow become a dominant front court pair. It's just extremely unlikely, and getting your hopes up for it is setting yourself up for disappointment.

Besides, what makes you think that Okafor is not on the block already? If BC gets a good offer tomorrow for Okafor, he's probably gone before he can finish his meal. The problem is that there aren't many good offers for Okafor because the league has wizened up that Okafor is only good in ISO post situations, and post play is on its death bed.

[Ericb5]

Some players can play more than one position. Okafor is not one of those players at this point. There are plenty of centers and point guards that can only play those positions.

One of he or Noel can absolutely survive on the Sixers. One of them can be the backup center. Maybe when Embiid is actually playing his full minutes he can play a few minutes at the 4.

I'm not saying trade Okafor (honestly what are you getting for him at this point anyway). I'm saying force him to work on the things that make him a center rather than trying to turn him into a power forward.

I could see trying to get him to play power forward if it seemed like he was super productive at the center and we needed to find a way to get him on the court. But at this point his problems are so fundamental that the worst thing they can do right now is try to force him to play a position he isn't suited for and has never seriously played before in the middle of the season. He needs things to be as simple as possible if he's going to come out of this.

Neither Noel nor Okafor can survive on the Sixers if they are only allowed to play the center position unless Embiid busts because there simply won't be enough minutes for them. Once Embiid gets up to 32-34 minutes a game then there will only be 14-16 minutes available to the backup center.

Noel is going to force us to pay him this summer, and that means that to keep him for that small role we will have to pay him big money. Ok, so he needs to go.

The same thing will be true of Okafor in a few years. Yes we have the time to figure it out with him, but time is only useful if it is being used. Just having him alternate with Embiid is not getting us closer to an answer.

When Simmons comes back then there will be far fewer minutes available at the 4 so the time to try it is now. I don't want to force Embiid or Simmons to have to accommodate anyone else because they are the most important players.

If we truly already have determined that Okafor and Noel will never be allowed to play at the 4 then we should just get them off of the team now. Trade them for anything that you can get because neither of them will EVER be the backup center on the Sixers. They will both make too much money to play 15 minutes a game.

Holmes is the guy that actually has a shot at being the backup center, and we should just move on to grooming him for that role in that case.


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Who are these teams that are going to pay Okafor a lot of money if he keeps playing the way he has? You're not seeing the big picture here if you think our biggest concern is someone offering Okafor a butt ton of money. The main concern is just trying to find a way to justify him being on the court at all at this point.

He straight up just has not shown himself to be wildly overqualified to be a backup center. Once he actually shows himself to be overqualified and actually "feasts on backups" the way people promised that he would, THEN we can start worrying about more creative ways to get him on the court. Until then let's just focus on getting him right at center. We have 2.5 years after all.

What I am saying is that we aren't getting anything out of playing Okafor at the 5. He eventually WILL feast on backups, but that isn't the point.

We need him to be working on the skills required to play the 4. That means forcing him to play more away from the basket. If he is spending all of his court time occupying the same space that Embiid is occupying then we aren't getting any closer to an answer. We are literally wasting time, and when Simmons gets back we will have less opportunity to try him at the 4.

I have been saying the same thing about Okafor since we drafted him. He can ONLY Survive on the Sixers if he can play at the 4. Once we drafted Simmons the likelihood of Okafor sticking around went down significantly. We still owe it to ourselves to try it. Otherwise, he is just taking up a roster spot that would be better used for some other player.

Even if he turns into Enes Kanter, he will earn more money than a 15 mpg player is worth. Yes we have time to figure it out with him, but if we aren't working towards an answer, and we aren't forcing him to develop the skills that we will need, then we are wasting our time.

Assuming that one of our 2017 picks eventually turns into a Max player(just for the sake of argument) that would mean that we would have 3 max players on the team. We will not be able to afford the luxury of someone like Okafor or Noel as our backup center.


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[James40]

He's not even trying, that's what's concerning and last night was the 4th or 5th time this year that he's had a game like that. I'm not worried about his position on the court, I'm worried about him not even brining back a lottery pick, and he won't if he keeps playing like that.

If his knee is 100% then he has to go, we know he didn't want to come to Philly in the first place, and right now he's playing like he doesn't even like basketball. If he keeps this attitude up he's just going to poison the rest of the team. Mistakes are part of the game, not giving effort isn't.

[spikeslovechild]

Some players can play more than one position. Okafor is not one of those players at this point. There are plenty of centers and point guards that can only play those positions.

One of he or Noel can absolutely survive on the Sixers. One of them can be the backup center. Maybe when Embiid is actually playing his full minutes he can play a few minutes at the 4.

I'm not saying trade Okafor (honestly what are you getting for him at this point anyway). I'm saying force him to work on the things that make him a center rather than trying to turn him into a power forward.

I could see trying to get him to play power forward if it seemed like he was super productive at the center and we needed to find a way to get him on the court. But at this point his problems are so fundamental that the worst thing they can do right now is try to force him to play a position he isn't suited for and has never seriously played before in the middle of the season. He needs things to be as simple as possible if he's going to come out of this.

Neither Noel nor Okafor can survive on the Sixers if they are only allowed to play the center position unless Embiid busts because there simply won't be enough minutes for them. Once Embiid gets up to 32-34 minutes a game then there will only be 14-16 minutes available to the backup center.

Noel is going to force us to pay him this summer, and that means that to keep him for that small role we will have to pay him big money. Ok, so he needs to go.

The same thing will be true of Okafor in a few years. Yes we have the time to figure it out with him, but time is only useful if it is being used. Just having him alternate with Embiid is not getting us closer to an answer.

When Simmons comes back then there will be far fewer minutes available at the 4 so the time to try it is now. I don't want to force Embiid or Simmons to have to accommodate anyone else because they are the most important players.

If we truly already have determined that Okafor and Noel will never be allowed to play at the 4 then we should just get them off of the team now. Trade them for anything that you can get because neither of them will EVER be the backup center on the Sixers. They will both make too much money to play 15 minutes a game.

Holmes is the guy that actually has a shot at being the backup center, and we should just move on to grooming him for that role in that case.


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Who are these teams that are going to pay Okafor a lot of money if he keeps playing the way he has? You're not seeing the big picture here if you think our biggest concern is someone offering Okafor a butt ton of money. The main concern is just trying to find a way to justify him being on the court at all at this point.

He straight up just has not shown himself to be wildly overqualified to be a backup center. Once he actually shows himself to be overqualified and actually "feasts on backups" the way people promised that he would, THEN we can start worrying about more creative ways to get him on the court. Until then let's just focus on getting him right at center. We have 2.5 years after all.

Exactly all this talk about moving him to the 4 was predicated on him being the third best player on the team and trying to get him the most minutes we could.

All that is out the window at this point. We need to focus on getting him playing good basketball again then worry about where to play him. Moving him to the 4 isn't going to solve things.

What has really been alarming is as a backup sub he's basically been removed from the offense. I mentioned that earlier where he basically just sits in the post and the ball never comes to him. In fact his usage has went down. Last night he took 11 shots with Embiid out. You can live with the defense when he's taking 15 shots and scoring in the twenties. It's much harder right now because he isn't scoring and I'm not really sure why.

[LloydFree]

He's not even trying, that's what's concerning and last night was the 4th or 5th time this year that he's had a game like that. I'm not worried about his position on the court, I'm worried about him not even brining back a lottery pick, and he won't if he keeps playing like that.

If his knee is 100% then he has to go, we know he didn't want to come to Philly in the first place, and right now he's playing like he doesn't even like basketball. If he keeps this attitude up he's just going to poison the rest of the team. Mistakes are part of the game, not giving effort isn't.

Now that's funny. Save your worry for something that's realistic.

Okafor wasn't ever going to bring back a high pick. Enes Kanter didn't bring back a lottery pick. Greg Monroe didn't bring back anything for Detroit when he was on the block. And Orlando isn't ever going to get anything for Vucevic. Okafor isn't even as good as those guys. They're terrible defenders, just like him, but at least they attempt to rebound. He's a Center who can't do anything on the defensive end of the court, and doesn't rebound. Who's standing in line to get that for their team?

Nobody offered anything for Okafor at the draft, because they know his type isn't worth anything. He's worth even less now, because they have more film on him... 'Oh, but have you seen that footwork!' ... Lottery pick???... please... spare me.

[Sixerscan]

Neither Noel nor Okafor can survive on the Sixers if they are only allowed to play the center position unless Embiid busts because there simply won't be enough minutes for them. Once Embiid gets up to 32-34 minutes a game then there will only be 14-16 minutes available to the backup center.

Noel is going to force us to pay him this summer, and that means that to keep him for that small role we will have to pay him big money. Ok, so he needs to go.

The same thing will be true of Okafor in a few years. Yes we have the time to figure it out with him, but time is only useful if it is being used. Just having him alternate with Embiid is not getting us closer to an answer.

When Simmons comes back then there will be far fewer minutes available at the 4 so the time to try it is now. I don't want to force Embiid or Simmons to have to accommodate anyone else because they are the most important players.

If we truly already have determined that Okafor and Noel will never be allowed to play at the 4 then we should just get them off of the team now. Trade them for anything that you can get because neither of them will EVER be the backup center on the Sixers. They will both make too much money to play 15 minutes a game.

Holmes is the guy that actually has a shot at being the backup center, and we should just move on to grooming him for that role in that case.


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Who are these teams that are going to pay Okafor a lot of money if he keeps playing the way he has? You're not seeing the big picture here if you think our biggest concern is someone offering Okafor a butt ton of money. The main concern is just trying to find a way to justify him being on the court at all at this point.

He straight up just has not shown himself to be wildly overqualified to be a backup center. Once he actually shows himself to be overqualified and actually "feasts on backups" the way people promised that he would, THEN we can start worrying about more creative ways to get him on the court. Until then let's just focus on getting him right at center. We have 2.5 years after all.

What I am saying is that we aren't getting anything out of playing Okafor at the 5. He eventually WILL feast on backups, but that isn't the point.

We need him to be working on the skills required to play the 4. That means forcing him to play more away from the basket. If he is spending all of his court time occupying the same space that Embiid is occupying then we aren't getting any closer to an answer. We are literally wasting time, and when Simmons gets back we will have less opportunity to try him at the 4.

I have been saying the same thing about Okafor since we drafted him. He can ONLY Survive on the Sixers if he can play at the 4. Once we drafted Simmons the likelihood of Okafor sticking around went down significantly. We still owe it to ourselves to try it. Otherwise, he is just taking up a roster spot that would be better used for some other player.

Even if he turns into Enes Kanter, he will earn more money than a 15 mpg player is worth. Yes we have time to figure it out with him, but if we aren't working towards an answer, and we aren't forcing him to develop the skills that we will need, then we are wasting our time.

Assuming that one of our 2017 picks eventually turns into a Max player(just for the sake of argument) that would mean that we would have 3 max players on the team. We will not be able to afford the luxury of someone like Okafor or Noel as our backup center.


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I'm sorry, as you still under the impression that Enes Kanter is a "worst case" for Okafor? Go take a look at how much more efficient Kanter is right now. Not just scoring, the guy averages 18.8 minutes a night and gets 6 rebounds a game. Okafor gets 20+ minutes a night and his SEASON HIGH is 6 rebounds in a game. He has a way to go before he's garnering Kanter level money.

There's no time to teach Okafor a new position right now when he's struggling this much at basic fundamentals of a position that he has played his whole life and everyone should realize his skills are most suited for. Let him get his act together at the center position this year, prove his a viable NBA player again, end the year healthy, then if you want to, you have the summer to try to turn him into a power forward. And you still have TWO YEARS of control on him.

Also I'm not going to worry about some rookie that isn't on the roster yet and wouldn't be off his rookie deal until 2021. Noel could get a 4 year contract this summer and it would be over by then. I think you're underestimating how much time we have on some of these things...

[youngcrev]

Yeah... I mean even for Jah to live up to those previously "insulting" comparisons of Al Jefferson, Enes Kanter and Greg Monroe, he's going to have to improve leaps and bounds as a rebounder. Poor defender + poor rebounder is just a scary bad combination at center, no matter how pretty his footwork is in the post.

[SelfishPlayer]

Okafor wasn't ever going to bring back a high pick. Enes Kanter didn't bring back a lottery pick. Greg Monroe didn't bring back anything for Detroit when he was on the block. And Orlando isn't ever going to get anything for Vucevic. Okafor isn't even as good as those guys.

Why are you comparing Jahlil Okafor to players that are several years older than him with many more years of NBA experience? Jahlil Okafor is in his second NBA season and he's still only 20 years old. Enes Kanter is 24 years old in his 6th NBA season. Greg Monroe is 26 years old in his 7th NBA season. Nikola Vucevic is 26 years old in his 6th NBA season. Jahlil Okafor haters go out of their way to make a different reality. In this case one where 20 year olds do not improve. It reminds me of Andrew Wiggins haters who said that he would never be a great player because he can't handle the basketball and he can't shoot the 3 ball. Now look what he has done in those two areas...

[LloydFree]

The good byproduct of Okafor's play this year is he has single-handedly retired the obnoxious moniker of "Prokafor". There are very few left, and that proud but tedious group has gone back into their caves... and it only took 11 games!

[76ciology]

I'll be concerned if Jah doesn't improve by 2nd half of december to january.

For now, I think it's likely he bounces back as a scorer with improved D (he's doing progress this season). But I still find it difficult to see him being a good rebounder and a good shooter this season.

I'm not THAT excited of Jah/Biid frontcourt. And I won't be surprise if Jah is not part of our long term core.

[spikeslovechild]

Yeah... I mean even for Jah to live up to those previously "insulting" comparisons of Al Jefferson, Enes Kanter and Greg Monroe, he's going to have to improve leaps and bounds as a rebounder. Poor defender + poor rebounder is just a scary bad combination at center, no matter how pretty his footwork is in the post.

Once again you can live with those things if he is scoring around 20 PPG and is a big part of the offense. Right now his role in the offense is diminished, in the limited role he isn't playing well, and he still is a poor defender (though he's gotten better) plus still the same atrocious rebounder.

I do think on the plus side the roster is still constructed as such that there is still that gap waiting to be filled by a high usage efficient scorer coming off the bench. Embiid has filled it on the starter side. He has a 37.4% USG. The problem is with the way Okafor is playing on offense you don't want to give him those opportunities even in a sub role.

He's just a bad basketball player right now. I know some the haters will say here see this what I've been saying all along but it's different. Rather then taking a step forward he's regressed. We need to find some way fixing him.

[dkj5061]

Okafor wasn't ever going to bring back a high pick. Enes Kanter didn't bring back a lottery pick. Greg Monroe didn't bring back anything for Detroit when he was on the block. And Orlando isn't ever going to get anything for Vucevic. Okafor isn't even as good as those guys.

Why are you comparing Jahlil Okafor to players that are several years older than him with many more years of NBA experience? Jahlil Okafor is in his second NBA season and he's still only 20 years old. Enes Kanter is 24 years old in his 6th NBA season. Greg Monroe is 26 years old in his 7th NBA season. Nikola Vucevic is 26 years old in his 6th NBA season. Jahlil Okafor haters go out of their way to make a different reality. In this case one where 20 year olds do not improve. It reminds me of Andrew Wiggins haters who said that he would never be a great player because he can't handle the basketball and he can't shoot the 3 ball. Now look what he has done in those two areas...

Even in their first and second years, all of those guys were SIGNIFICANTLY better rebounders than Okafor. Like not even close. So Okafor is already starting from a disadvantage in that regard, and so far this year he has shown no desire to improve at all. He has in fact regressed across the board. I'm praying he can right the ship and approach becoming one of those guys.

[spikeslovechild]

The good byproduct of Okafor's play this year is he has single-handedly retired the obnoxious moniker of "Prokafor". There are very few left, and that proud but tedious group has gone back into their caves... and it only took 11 games!

It isn't about Okafor and it never was (at least for me). It's about the Sixers and what is best for them in the near and longterm.

[SelfishPlayer]

Okafor wasn't ever going to bring back a high pick. Enes Kanter didn't bring back a lottery pick. Greg Monroe didn't bring back anything for Detroit when he was on the block. And Orlando isn't ever going to get anything for Vucevic. Okafor isn't even as good as those guys.

Why are you comparing Jahlil Okafor to players that are several years older than him with many more years of NBA experience? Jahlil Okafor is in his second NBA season and he's still only 20 years old. Enes Kanter is 24 years old in his 6th NBA season. Greg Monroe is 26 years old in his 7th NBA season. Nikola Vucevic is 26 years old in his 6th NBA season. Jahlil Okafor haters go out of their way to make a different reality. In this case one where 20 year olds do not improve. It reminds me of Andrew Wiggins haters who said that he would never be a great player because he can't handle the basketball and he can't shoot the 3 ball. Now look what he has done in those two areas...

Even in their first and second years, all of those guys were SIGNIFICANTLY better rebounders than Okafor. Like not even close. So Okafor is already starting from a disadvantage in that regard, and so far this year he has shown no desire to improve at all. He has in fact regressed across the board. I'm praying he can right the ship and approach becoming one of those guys.

Okafor is a significantly better shot blocker at the age of 20 than any of those guys have displayed in their entire careers. He's not the same as those guys and should not be compared to them. Okafor haters conveniently value rebounding ONLY.

[CoreyGallagher]

The good byproduct of Okafor's play this year is he has single-handedly retired the obnoxious moniker of "Prokafor". There are very few left, and that proud but tedious group has gone back into their caves... and it only took 11 games!

Timing of this likely isn't coincidental, especially with the last post that I had responded to. If you're implying something than be more forthright, Lloyd.

[LloydFree]

The good byproduct of Okafor's play this year is he has single-handedly retired the obnoxious moniker of "Prokafor". There are very few left, and that proud but tedious group has gone back into their caves... and it only took 11 games!

Timing of this likely isn't coincidental, especially with the last post that I had replied to. If you're implying something than be more forthright, Lloyd.

How much more forthright do I have to be? If you believe the shoe fits...

[CoreyGallagher]

How much more forthright do I have to be? If you believe the shoe fits...

Usually referring to caves (and bridges) implies trolling. To clarify - if that is what you mean - those that disagree with you aren't doing so just for the sake of it or to spite you.