Signed By Indiana - The Jeremy Lamb Thread

[HornetJail]

I think he's okay now

[Hornetsfan24]

Lamb has always shown great potential going back to his Uconn days. The issue with him is consistency. He will put together a great couple games and then disappear for a few games. What I would like to see is him keep his energy and intensity up even if he is having a down offensive game.

[BatumtheGlue]

I'm so curiouss, how may rebounds will he get next game?

[BlackOutBuzz]

Lol, I'd forgotten this thread originated as a means to funnel the UConn fans' discussions on a non-Hornets player. Now Lamb's here, possibly breaking out, and a few of those guys are gone.

Im not sure hed get minutes over Neal or JT here.

This though... *shudders*

[yosemiteben]

Read on Twitter

Perfect snapshot for JLamb.

[catch20two]

Lol, I'd forgotten this thread originated as a means to funnel the UConn fans' discussions on a non-Hornets player. Now Lamb's here, possibly breaking out, and a few of those guys are gone.

Im not sure hed get minutes over Neal or JT here.

This though... *shudders*

I started this thread *not a Uconn fan but I'll take it*. I'm still here.

And Braggins was right about him not getting minutes over Neal or JT because last year he couldn't get minutes over PJ Hairston and Troy Daniels. I'm actually kinda surprised Cliff isn't playing Treveon Graham over him lol.

I'll hold my breath on how long Cliff entrusts Lamb with at least 20 minutes of play every game. The first game he has just 5 points and 3 rebounds on 35% shooting and one badly missed defensive assignment I fully expect him to go back to DNP-CDs. But I really really really hope I'm wrong.

[BlackOutBuzz]

I started this thread *not a Uconn fan but I'll take it*. I'm still here.

I was more referencing KIA and Ichiro, though I do recall Fats (I think) naming you an honorary UConn-ite.

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[yosemiteben]

And Braggins was right about him not getting minutes over Neal or JT because last year he couldn't get minutes over PJ Hairston and Troy Daniels.

In November of 2015 Lamb averaged 25 MPG over 15 games, while PJ averaged 17.5 MPG over the same period and Daniels pretty much didn't play at all. During that month, Lamb shot 52% FG, an acceptable 33% from three, and had a TS% of 59.9%, and was generally a very productive player for us.

Then Jeremy forgot how to shoot. He shot 41.3% FG and 26.8% 3PT in December, with a TS% of 49.9%. Over the same period PJ shot 38% from three on decent volume. There also was the issue of Lamb's lack of defensive awareness / intensity, which he himself has admitted was an issue. Even though he was hitting threes, PJ did not really see a minutes increase - he averaged 18.7 minutes in December, practically the same amount as Lamb (18.2 minutes).

Then in January we discovered that Daniels was on fire from outside (48.9% FG, 50% 3PT, 62.9% TS) and we rode that horse some. Lamb still averaged 21.6 MPG in January, more than Daniels who only averaged 17 MPG, but he had a few DNPs.

In Feb. and March Lamb played significantly more minutes than Daniels. Lamb played 152 minutes in February and 167 minutes in March, while Daniels played in only 2 games for 6 total minutes in February and 95 minutes in March.

We gave Lamb minutes throughout the season, and at no point did Daniels or PJ average significantly more minutes than Lamb. We essentially rode the hot hand, then we traded for CLee at the ASB, shortened the rotation, and neither Lamb nor Daniels were major parts of our rotation.

[perempe20]

saw the highlights of his last 2 games. these are MVP-caliber performances! he's so versatile, much more than a shooter. he even got an offensive rebound on Melo.

[catch20two]

And Braggins was right about him not getting minutes over Neal or JT because last year he couldn't get minutes over PJ Hairston and Troy Daniels.

In November of 2015 Lamb averaged 25 MPG over 15 games, while PJ averaged 17.5 MPG over the same period and Daniels pretty much didn't play at all. During that month, Lamb shot 52% FG, an acceptable 33% from three, and had a TS% of 59.9%, and was generally a very productive player for us.

Then Jeremy forgot how to shoot. He shot 41.3% FG and 26.8% 3PT in December, with a TS% of 49.9%. Over the same period PJ shot 38% from three on decent volume. There also was the issue of Lamb's lack of defensive awareness / intensity, which he himself has admitted was an issue. Even though he was hitting threes, PJ did not really see a minutes increase - he averaged 18.7 minutes in December, practically the same amount as Lamb (18.2 minutes).

Then in January we discovered that Daniels was on fire from outside (48.9% FG, 50% 3PT, 62.9% TS) and we rode that horse some. Lamb still averaged 21.6 MPG in January, more than Daniels who only averaged 17 MPG, but he had a few DNPs.

In Feb. and March Lamb played significantly more minutes than Daniels. Lamb played 152 minutes in February and 167 minutes in March, while Daniels played in only 2 games for 6 total minutes in February and 95 minutes in March.

We gave Lamb minutes throughout the season, and at no point did Daniels or PJ average significantly more minutes than Lamb. We essentially rode the hot hand, then we traded for CLee at the ASB, shortened the rotation, and neither Lamb nor Daniels were major parts of our rotation.

Thanks for the facts check but it still don't change my emphasized point that I don't think Lamb get the benefit to play thru his struggles like the rest of our roster. If he's not hitting on all cylinders there's a quick leash on him. Clifford has a out for him where from the outside looking in I'm not sure if it's to bring out the best in him or to force Cho to trade him.

I just hope he can continue to get 20-25 minutes per game because without a doubt I believe he'll average double figures scoring and will be a net positive in our lineups just as he did last year whenever he did receive those minutes.

[yosemiteben]

Thanks for the facts check but it still don't change my emphasized point that I don't think Lamb get the benefit to play thru his struggles like the rest of our roster.

He did get the same benefit that PJ and Daniels did though and he had his minutes go up and down throughout the season but never materially below the level that either PJ or Daniels played, which contradicts your point.

It's just not accurate to say that he got a raw deal and Cliff preferred and gave more minutes to other rotation wings. None of Lamb, Daniels, or (obviously) PJ were a relevant part of our rotation post-ASB last season when we tightened our rotation. I think Lamb got a fair shake pre-ASB.

I think it is true that Lamb has never in his career been a significant part of a rotation for a full season, and I think there was a learning curve for him. He struggled to find his identity offensively after he exploded in November (I think Big Al being removed as a starter played a role in that, it was too much ISO and not enough ball movement in the 2nd unit) and he struggled to understand Cliff's expectations in terms of rotations and team defense on that end of the floor. I think last offseason was really big for his development and I think he is demonstrating that in his play. I really do hope he continues to play at a high level and earns himself a fixed spot in the rotation. I also think his skillset is a great match for our second unit next to guys like Marco, Frank, Hawes, and MKG and don't see any reason why he can't have sustained success.

[catch20two]

Lamb por favor.

[catch20two]

The splits show that Lamb averaged 13ppg on 49% shooting (57% TS) in 25mpg with net positives across the board in the 29 games that Cliff allowed him to play over 20 minutes last season. I refuse to believe that he deserved to be benched the way he got benched last year.

Especially during the playoffs where Batum missed 2 games and was half footing it looking miserable even when he did play because he was injured.

I don't expect anyone outside of superstars to stay consistent throughout a entire season. Even star players have biweekly to month long droughts.

[Mystical Apples]

Lamb is a player I'd disproportionately measure through team differentials. I can't think of many players where team results deviate so greatly from the individual eye-test and perception.

Defensively - occasionally gets burned which shapes perceptions as a poor defender. But when locked in he's very positive defensively in non-box score metrics. Notably, nearly leading the league in perimeter contest frequency (spot ups) and uncommonly excellent dead ball defensive efG%. His low turnover ratio is also under-appreciated, though the benefit is almost entirely on defense (set D possessions).

Defensive rebounding is also additive

Offensively - mirror image of perceptions about his defense. Excellent individual shot creator but tends to break offense which reduces team passing efficiency and thus overall efficiency. It also limited his playing combinations and kinda boxed him in as a 2nd unit scorer next to front court ball skills

Team assist ratios and eFG% differentials are what I'd look for, particularly when opponents start adjusting defensively

[yosemiteben]

I refuse to believe that he deserved to be benched the way he got benched last year.

Lamb posted DNPs or less than 10 minutes played in 24 games last season. You talked about Cliff preferring Troy Daniels, but Daniels had DNPs in 43 games last season and DNPs or less than 10 minutes played in 66 games last season.

It's cool to say you generally wish Lamb played more minutes, but don't act like Cliff preferred Daniels to Lamb based on their PT allocation last season.

I don't expect anyone outside of superstars to stay consistent throughout a entire season. Even star players have biweekly to month long droughts.

But star players have their spot in the rotation guaranteed. Rotation players can expect to have their PT reduced and/or their spot in the rotation eliminated if they have month long droughts while other rotation players with comparable or superior shooting ability are available.

[catch20two]

I refuse to believe that he deserved to be benched the way he got benched last year.

Lamb posted DNPs or less than 10 minutes played in 24 games last season. You talked about Cliff preferring Troy Daniels, but Daniels had DNPs in 43 games last season and DNPs or less than 10 minutes played in 66 games last season.

It's cool to say you generally wish Lamb played more minutes, but don't act like Cliff preferred Daniels to Lamb based on their PT allocation last season.

I don't expect anyone outside of superstars to stay consistent throughout a entire season. Even star players have biweekly to month long droughts.

But star players have their spot in the rotation guaranteed. Rotation players can expect to have their PT reduced and/or their spot in the rotation eliminated if they have month long droughts while other rotation players with comparable or superior shooting ability are available.

Still goes back to me not believing he didn't deserve to be benched the way he got benched, especially in the playoffs when Batum was injured.

Post ASB Lamb sported a +12.4 net rating with 334 minutes on the floor while Daniels had a -1.9 net rating. Yet Daniels was the one that got the opportunity to get consistent playing time down the final month stretch going into the playoffs while Lamb was banished and reduced to DNP-CD or garbage time minutes. That's what I'm referring to when I say that Clifford preferred Daniels over Lamb, in the month of April when the critical stretch of the season occurred.

And I am saying that I wish Lamb played more minutes then up until now. Lamb por favor!

[mrknowitall215]

I started this thread *not a Uconn fan but I'll take it*. I'm still here.

I was more referencing KIA and Ichiro, though I do recall Fats (I think) naming you an honorary UConn-ite.

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I'm still around. I probably just do more lurking than posting like I did before because my predictions of Kemba becoming Charlotte's point guard of the future and sooner than later & definitely before never a top-10 point guard in the league are ringing true each passing season. Most of my debates on this thread revolved around telling Charlotte fans to be patient with Kemba and explaining why a lot of his woes were greatly over exaggerated due to the lack of talent around him. It was no secret that I followed the Hornets/Bobcats because of Kemba and my UConn alliance, but through all the years of watching I've grown a liking and learned a lot of knowledge about the franchise as a whole through various posters in this forum

As far as Jeremy Lamb, I'm happy that he's getting a fair chance at the moment because I think Charlotte will need his scoring ability from the wing position if they want to advance in the playoffs when defenses stiffen up and take away your normal offensive flow after analyzing strategy and tendencies. Lamb is one of the very few players on this roster that can create his own offense and that's vital come postseason

[Zombiesonics]

Still goes back to me not believing he didn't deserve to be benched the way he got benched, especially in the playoffs when Batum was injured.

Post ASB Lamb sported a +12.4 net rating with 334 minutes on the floor while Daniels had a -1.9 net rating. Yet Daniels was the one that got the opportunity to get consistent playing time down the final month stretch going into the playoffs while Lamb was banished and reduced to DNP-CD or garbage time minutes. That's what I'm referring to when I say that Clifford preferred Daniels over Lamb, in the month of April when the critical stretch of the season occurred.

And I am saying that I wish Lamb played more minutes then up until now. Lamb por favor!

he then told the media "he's not preparing well for games thats why he isn't playing", justin thomas CHA espn guy asked what everyone was wondering and clifford got pissed. I've never heard a coach so brazen about trashing a player to the media but it happened. wouldn't be shocked if graham steals minutes from him in the same way randomly this season. If folks here are going to harp on lambs ( 5th in drpm for sgs last year) defense, we need to hear about marcos disinterest on that end too. or , gasp, batums.

[yosemiteben]

Is it possible that Lamb wasn't preparing well for games? This offseason Lamb himself said he did a bad job taking care of himself.

[catch20two]

Still goes back to me not believing he didn't deserve to be benched the way he got benched, especially in the playoffs when Batum was injured.

Post ASB Lamb sported a +12.4 net rating with 334 minutes on the floor while Daniels had a -1.9 net rating. Yet Daniels was the one that got the opportunity to get consistent playing time down the final month stretch going into the playoffs while Lamb was banished and reduced to DNP-CD or garbage time minutes. That's what I'm referring to when I say that Clifford preferred Daniels over Lamb, in the month of April when the critical stretch of the season occurred.

And I am saying that I wish Lamb played more minutes then up until now. Lamb por favor!

he then told the media "he's not preparing well for games thats why he isn't playing", justin thomas CHA espn guy asked what everyone was wondering and clifford got pissed. I've never heard a coach so brazen about trashing a player to the media but it happened. wouldn't be shocked if graham steals minutes from him in the same way randomly this season. If folks here are going to harp on lambs ( 5th in drpm for sgs last year) defense, we need to hear about marcos disinterest on that end too. or , gasp, batums.

Exactly! I fear that Cliff is gearing Graham up to steal Lamb's minutes as well. I was just talking about that a few posts up. All I can do is hope that Lamb has finally gotten on Cliff's good side where he'll get as many chances and as long of a leash as the rest of the rotation players.

Lamb's alleged lack of defense is a overexaggeration. I'm not saying that he's all-defense but he's nowhere near as bad as people try to act like he is to give reasoning to why Cliff benches him despite having one of the better net ratings and defensive ratings on the team dating back to last season.