The Trade Thread, 2016-17 (2.0)

[Parliament10]

I really don't see a problem with paying IT/AB/Smart trio $60m per year if we have Horford and a stud like Cousins playing as our bigmans. That is a team that can beat Cleveland. We can then start Smart in playoffs, while we move IT to the bench.

Thomas / Bradley / Smart (to a lesser extent) could command in that $20M range. I don't think that any of them will seek that, though, from the Celtics. I think that they're each going to give a hometown discount, somewhere in the vicinity of $12-15M.
Crowder could have commanded more, and he stayed.

Hey, if they don't, then Hasta La Vista. -- Turner hit the high-road for the big bucks, and it's not quite working out.
If they want the money, they'll get it.
If they want the Team Spirit here, and a not-too-far-away championship, they'll get that too.

[Zaschrona]

I really don't see a problem with paying IT/AB/Smart trio $60m per year if we have Horford and a stud like Cousins playing as our bigmans. That is a team that can beat Cleveland. We can then start Smart in playoffs, while we move IT to the bench.

Thomas / Bradley / Smart (to a lesser extent) could command in that $20M range. I don't think that any of them will seek that, though, from the Celtics. I think that they're each going to give a hometown discount, somewhere in the vicinity of $12-15M.
Crowder could have commanded more, and he stayed.

Hey, if they don't, then Hasta La Vista. -- Turner hit the high-road for the big bucks, and it's not quite working out.
If they want the money, they'll get it.
If they want the Team Spirit here, and a not-too-far-away championship, they'll get that too.

Agree, but I think it depends a lot about how this team really looks in 1/2 years. If we are looking like a contender or soon-to-be contender, than absolutely no problem paying them even a little bit more than it would be their real price. I am quite sure these players want to earn as much as they can too. And it is easier to make a discount if we are really good.

[Parliament10]

The way I see it is they have seven men. Thomas, Bradley, Crowder, Horford, Smart, Brown and Rozier. Everyone else on the current roster is cannon fodder to me. They have the two nets picks and Zizic and cap room to add onto those 7 men. They need to score again in free agency with a Griffin, Hayward or Noah type. If they whiff then a trade becomes much more desirable. They've been patient so far, now isn't the time for a rash move. Upgrade the front court in the offseason, add on growth from the young guys currently here and sprinkle in some luck and they may be onto something. The real factor is James needs to show signs of slowing down. At his current level of skill and Jordan treatment it's going to be very difficult to unseat him in the post season. Heck last years warriors couldn't even finish him and that's with steph, klay and Green

I'd add Olynyk to that Backup Squad. Not 100% Critical, but Real Important.

[Curmudgeon]

I wouldn't give up Rozier for either Noel or Z-bo. I wouldn't give up Olynyk either, and I'm no big fan of KO.

If the Grizz view Randolph as a building block at age 35, that franchise is in deep, deep trouble. If they don't, and are willing to give his minutes to guys like Deyonta Davis, then they should thank their lucky stars if they can get an expiring contract and their own 2019 pick for him. Maybe I'd throw in Demetrius Jackson, but not Rozier.

Rozier is Tony Delk-- and may become even better than Delk. Delk was a 10-year pro who scored over 11,000 points (15.2 pts per 36 minutes), almost all as a backup. That's a valuable commodity.

[chrisab123]

I wouldn't give up Rozier for either Noel or Z-bo. I wouldn't give up Olynyk either, and I'm no big fan of KO.

If the Grizz view Randolph as a building block at age 35, that franchise is in deep, deep trouble. If they don't, and are willing to give his minutes to guys like Deyonta Davis, then they should thank their lucky stars if they can get an expiring contract and their own 2019 pick for him. Maybe I'd throw in Demetrius Jackson, but not Rozier.

Rozier is Tony Delk-- and may become even better than Delk. Delk was a 10-year pro who scored over 11,000 points (15.2 pts per 36 minutes), almost all as a backup. That's a valuable commodity.

So you wouldn't give up Tony Delk (your words) for a young rim protector or a veteran Big that could really help out this team? Or KO? Everyone has a different opinion on how to get this team to the next level so I respect that. But if Roziers ceiling is Delk and KO is the price for Noel then you almost have to make the deal.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Noel doesn't have leverage, it would cancel itself out. If he was desired enough around the league for teams to be making competitive offers for him now, he would be traded. There are teams that like him, I think, know he's worth a flyer in the summer, but don't want to overpay now in a deal. He's being Greg Monroe'd. The worst part is that Philly and Colangelo don't have to take a hit with agents and players, because it's a problem Colangelo inherited.

[Gomes3PC]

Unless you can get him for something like Jerebko + a protected 1st, I'd rather just look to sign Noel as a fall-back if we whiff on the top-tier FAs.

I agree he's not getting $20M or even Mozgov money. That happened because there was an unprecedented amount of cap space this past offseason. Next year, there's a few teams like BKN, Dallas, Charlotte and Philly with oodles of cap space, but I am not sure any of them are players for him. Noel won't go to BKN - he's leaving Philly to play center, and with Brook Lopez there he won't be interested. Philly is clearly out. I could see Dallas make a big offer if they whiff on the big guys too. I just don't see the massive bonanza of last year though, and Noel's injuries / lack of consistent production is going to cap him a bit.

[Curmudgeon]

I wouldn't give up Rozier for either Noel or Z-bo. I wouldn't give up Olynyk either, and I'm no big fan of KO.

If the Grizz view Randolph as a building block at age 35, that franchise is in deep, deep trouble. If they don't, and are willing to give his minutes to guys like Deyonta Davis, then they should thank their lucky stars if they can get an expiring contract and their own 2019 pick for him. Maybe I'd throw in Demetrius Jackson, but not Rozier.

Rozier is Tony Delk-- and may become even better than Delk. Delk was a 10-year pro who scored over 11,000 points (15.2 pts per 36 minutes), almost all as a backup. That's a valuable commodity.

So you wouldn't give up Tony Delk (your words) for a young rim protector or a veteran Big that could really help out this team? Or KO?

Nope. Both Noel and Z-bo are rentals. If you don't overpay you lose the player this Summer. Rozier, who is showing more and more value every game, is under team control for 3 more years at reasonable money.

Give me a good young rim protector who is also in the second year of his rookie deal, and I would certainly consider moving Rozier. You have to think beyond this year.

[Zaschrona]

No to Z-Bo. No real need for a player like him - more than a rebounder we need a rim protector. Memphis think they are probably contending (lol) and the most likely they would want their pick back for him, they see him as a legend in that town. Bogut is a much better target for us.

[chrisab123]

I wouldn't give up Rozier for either Noel or Z-bo. I wouldn't give up Olynyk either, and I'm no big fan of KO.

If the Grizz view Randolph as a building block at age 35, that franchise is in deep, deep trouble. If they don't, and are willing to give his minutes to guys like Deyonta Davis, then they should thank their lucky stars if they can get an expiring contract and their own 2019 pick for him. Maybe I'd throw in Demetrius Jackson, but not Rozier.

Rozier is Tony Delk-- and may become even better than Delk. Delk was a 10-year pro who scored over 11,000 points (15.2 pts per 36 minutes), almost all as a backup. That's a valuable commodity.

So you wouldn't give up Tony Delk (your words) for a young rim protector or a veteran Big that could really help out this team? Or KO?

Nope. Both Noel and Z-bo are rentals. If you don't overpay you lose the player this Summer. Rozier, who is showing more and more value every game, is under team control for 3 more years at reasonable money.

Give me a good young rim protector who is also in the second year of his rookie deal, and I would certainly consider moving Rozier. You have to think beyond this year.

That's going to cost more than Rozier if you can find it. I see what you're saying. However, why do people assume Noel will cost 20 million next year? Injury history plus spotty play probably puts him in the 10-12 mil category for the next few seasons. If Noel is part of the answer pull the trigger and if he walks then you could still work a sign and trade for an asset. Worth a shot just to see how this team operates with a rim protector.

[ConstableGeneva]

I might get smashed for suggesting this but what about bringing in Wall & Cousins? If it's even possible? I know the assets we would have to give up would be large but if you give up say IT, Brown, KO, Johnson, both BRK picks the Memphis pick and one of our own is that enough?
reuniting Wall & Cousins here would be sick. Definetly would give Cleveland a real good series.

Wall
Bradley
Crowder
Horford
Cousins

Boogie scares me. Nasty lineup on paper. With Smart as Sixth Man, Celtics would lead the league in techs, flagrants, and ejections.

[reload141]

I might get smashed for suggesting this but what about bringing in Wall & Cousins? If it's even possible? I know the assets we would have to give up would be large but if you give up say IT, Brown, KO, Johnson, both BRK picks the Memphis pick and one of our own is that enough?
reuniting Wall & Cousins here would be sick. Definetly would give Cleveland a real good series.

Wall
Bradley
Crowder
Horford
Cousins

Boogie scares me. Nasty lineup on paper. With Smart as Sixth Man, Celtics would lead the league in techs, flagrants, and ejections.

Bad Boys 2.0?

[sully00]

I don't see Z-Bo and Noel in the same conversation. Noel is the kind of player you tank for like or not. I am not sure what his market is and if there will be a reset this offseason but if you can swap a guard for him you have to take a long hard look at that.

I don't see Z-Bo as a fit in Boston he is old and doesn't run the floor. Can be great on the glass but otherwise he isn't a piece that makes sense for Boston.

[Homerclease]

So you wouldn't give up Tony Delk (your words) for a young rim protector or a veteran Big that could really help out this team? Or KO?

Nope. Both Noel and Z-bo are rentals. If you don't overpay you lose the player this Summer. Rozier, who is showing more and more value every game, is under team control for 3 more years at reasonable money.

Give me a good young rim protector who is also in the second year of his rookie deal, and I would certainly consider moving Rozier. You have to think beyond this year.

That's going to cost more than Rozier if you can find it. I see what you're saying. However, why do people assume Noel will cost 20 million next year? Injury history plus spotty play probably puts him in the 10-12 mil category for the next few seasons. If Noel is part of the answer pull the trigger and if he walks then you could still work a sign and trade for an asset. Worth a shot just to see how this team operates with a rim protector.

He's restricted, philly would just match at that low a price and look to move Okafor. You're going to have to overpay to get Philly to let him walk

[Ed Pinkney]

Nope. Both Noel and Z-bo are rentals. If you don't overpay you lose the player this Summer. Rozier, who is showing more and more value every game, is under team control for 3 more years at reasonable money.

Give me a good young rim protector who is also in the second year of his rookie deal, and I would certainly consider moving Rozier. You have to think beyond this year.

That's going to cost more than Rozier if you can find it. I see what you're saying. However, why do people assume Noel will cost 20 million next year? Injury history plus spotty play probably puts him in the 10-12 mil category for the next few seasons. If Noel is part of the answer pull the trigger and if he walks then you could still work a sign and trade for an asset. Worth a shot just to see how this team operates with a rim protector.

He's restricted, philly would just match at that low a price and look to move Okafor. You're going to have to overpay to get Philly to let him walk

Agreed. This is why if you could get him for Rozier or Olynyk and a future first I would be pretty happy.

No way you trade a young guy for Randolph though.

[jrob23]

I think the lack of movement trade wise with Noel is due to the injury and time of year. When he comes back healthy, he'll be one of, if not the most, sought after guy on the trade market. There isn't many if any better 21 y/o big men in the entire league. Starting him over Amir, putting Horford at PF and imo we could make things interesting vs CLE.

He'd change the team dramatically on both ends. If he comes over and has that type of impact, you then have no problem paying a 22 y/o high upside defensive stud $20 million a year. Amir, JJ, and Zeller come off the books for I believe $25 million after this season. It might mean we can't get Hayward or Blake but tbh Noel solves our PF problem by putting Horford where he'd shine even more so the need for Blake diminishes and we still have Jae, Brown, and Yabusele so not sure Hayward fits either. By next season we'd hopefully have an improved Brown, Rozier, Yabusele, and Zizic along with BK17 as newcomers and I don't think anyone will be sad to see the others along with Mickey and Young, go.

I'm hoping Rozier will allow us to let IT or AB leave and the PG we take with BK17 replaces the other. Smart is cheap and continue to do the 6th man thing. We then get the BK18 and we follow that up with even more 1sts the next season. We should be golden Noel or not. But for this year, with Noel we'd be a very tough out.

The question is, who do we have that PHI would accept that we've be willing to part with, assuming they'll even deal with us? I've said it before, I think they'd do Smart for him straight up. While I would do that no problem, I'm guessing it's too much to give up for most of you due to him potentially only being a rental. But if it got us to the finals this season or reinforced in Noel and Danny's mind that they want to sign long term at an affordable price I'd say do it. I'd like to think they'd also take Jaylen Brown straight up. People would riot so I doubt it. But if it wasn't a rental, I'd do it in a heartbeat. It's harder to find big men like Noel who can defend than it is to find SF who can't shoot. But let's chalk that up as a no. Rozier and a non BK 1st seems to make a whole lot of sense because they do not currently have a PG. They can of course just take a better one in the draft with theirs or the Lakers 1st. But having Rozier gives them options. It might mean they don't HAVE to take a PG which might allow them to take Jackson or Giles.

So if I'm Danny I make sure to have Rozier getting major minutes. It serves to showcase him and to give us an indication whether he could take over for either AB or IT and even allow us to move Smart. So the question is will other teams offer more than Smart or IT and a non BK pick? I'm not so sure

[ddb]

I might get smashed for suggesting this but what about bringing in Wall & Cousins? If it's even possible? I know the assets we would have to give up would be large but if you give up say IT, Brown, KO, Johnson, both BRK picks the Memphis pick and one of our own is that enough?
reuniting Wall & Cousins here would be sick. Definetly would give Cleveland a real good series.

Wall
Bradley
Crowder
Horford
Cousins

Not gonna lie. I would rather have IT then Wall. Wall is one of the most overrated players in the league and IT is underrated. I'm being serious.

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[Green89]

The problem with Noel is his impeding free agency. Do we really want to tied up 50M for a Noel/Horford frontcourt with IT/Bradley/Smart being FA next season. This is not a knock on Horford but if we are going to pay 50M for our frontcourt it should be for a player like Griffin or Cousins not Noel.

Why on earth do people keep believing Noel is going to get $20+ mil per year?? He's not so just stop already. Guy's never even been a consistent player in the league yet and he's going to command all star money? Where are we getting this nonsense from? It's like someone exaggerated greatly in one post, and it snowballed into everyone else 's thinking.

Look what career journeymen like Mozgov and Turner got, Noel getting a similar if not bigger deal is more than plausible given his age and skill set

Noel missed his entire first season, has missed time in each of his past 2 seasons in the league, and hasn't been able to hit the court yet this year. He isn't getting 20mil. Mozgov, Mahinmi, and Biymobo all played 5-8 previous years in the league and established themselves. Noel has yet to prove he's worth big money, or that he can remain healthy.

[Green89]

I think the lack of movement trade wise with Noel is due to the injury and time of year. When he comes back healthy, he'll be one of, if not the most, sought after guy on the trade market. There isn't many if any better 21 y/o big men in the entire league. Starting him over Amir, putting Horford at PF and imo we could make things interesting vs CLE.

He'd change the team dramatically on both ends. If he comes over and has that type of impact, you then have no problem paying a 22 y/o high upside defensive stud $20 million a year. Amir, JJ, and Zeller come off the books for I believe $25 million after this season. It might mean we can't get Hayward or Blake but tbh Noel solves our PF problem by putting Horford where he'd shine even more so the need for Blake diminishes and we still have Jae, Brown, and Yabusele so not sure Hayward fits either. By next season we'd hopefully have an improved Brown, Rozier, Yabusele, and Zizic along with BK17 as newcomers and I don't think anyone will be sad to see the others along with Mickey and Young, go.

I'm hoping Rozier will allow us to let IT or AB leave and the PG we take with BK17 replaces the other. Smart is cheap and continue to do the 6th man thing. We then get the BK18 and we follow that up with even more 1sts the next season. We should be golden Noel or not. But for this year, with Noel we'd be a very tough out.

The question is, who do we have that PHI would accept that we've be willing to part with, assuming they'll even deal with us? I've said it before, I think they'd do Smart for him straight up. While I would do that no problem, I'm guessing it's too much to give up for most of you due to him potentially only being a rental. But if it got us to the finals this season or reinforced in Noel and Danny's mind that they want to sign long term at an affordable price I'd say do it. I'd like to think they'd also take Jaylen Brown straight up. People would riot so I doubt it. But if it wasn't a rental, I'd do it in a heartbeat. It's harder to find big men like Noel who can defend than it is to find SF who can't shoot. But let's chalk that up as a no. Rozier and a non BK 1st seems to make a whole lot of sense because they do not currently have a PG. They can of course just take a better one in the draft with theirs or the Lakers 1st. But having Rozier gives them options. It might mean they don't HAVE to take a PG which might allow them to take Jackson or Giles.

So if I'm Danny I make sure to have Rozier getting major minutes. It serves to showcase him and to give us an indication whether he could take over for either AB or IT and even allow us to move Smart. So the question is will other teams offer more than Smart or IT and a non BK pick? I'm not so sure

I can't believe the overvaluing and overpaying talk of Noel that's going on in this thread. Only 21 players currently in the league make at least 20 mil or more. I can assure you that Nerlens Noel is nowhere near a top 20 player in this league. Stop this nonsense, please.

I would love to get him on the team, but my concerns are his injuries. He will make us a lot better if healthy, but we'd still need more help competing with Cleveland. Philly should have traded him before the season started, before he announced having this procedure that's kept him out all year. Philly has no choice but to take a low offer for him now. I doubt he'll ever suit up for them again, even when healthy.

[Ed Pinkney]

$20 million plus is probably unlikely, but somewhere between $15 and $20 million is very likely just based on the contracts that other centres who are older and arguably not as good have signed recently. And the cap will jump a bit more too.