Knicks not ruling out DRose extension later in the season

[HEZI]

I don't know what half of you guys are looking at. Rose is a leader and a winner. He makes us a legit team, not a laughing stock. He can take us to the promised land. How many other players do we have who were league MVP's? Getting better every day!

we're only a game over .500 right now, it's still way too early to say that we're a legit team

he was the league MVP so many years ago, he's clearly not that dude now and he never will be

he's also so inconsistent in terms of his impact on the game...last night he played well, but the game before that he got benched in the 2nd half

I'm hoping that we can upgrade the PG position this summer, but there's a very slim chance that we'll actually be able to do so so I'm slowly starting to accept that Rose will unfortunately probably be our PG option going forward

The only reason he got benched the other night was because he picked up 4 fouls early in the game and was out of the game for so long that when he did come back in his rhythm was off. It's not like we looked good without him and with Jennings running the show in the 4th, we looked awful and almost lost the game. We had terrible 4th quarter execution and went through a huge scoring drought and allowed the TWolves to get back into the game and almost win. The same exact thing happened with Jennings last night, gave up the lead and the Knicks looked terrible offensively going through yet another scoring drought while having terrible execution over and over again.

[Wharton Alum 08]

I still want nothing to do with him.

Well thank God the likes of both Phil Jackson and Jeff Hornacek doesn't feel the same.

I can't remember the last N.Y PG who's put up this type of production and it's been forever since we've featured an aggressive/attacking PG who could penetrate defenses, drive to the rim & score as D.Rose can.

He's taking so much pressure off of the likes of both Anthony and Porzingis. He's an X-Factor and some fans simply fail to comprehend all of the above.

Who says they don't? Just because of a report from Rose saying he'd like to stay and another report saying the Knicks haven't ruled out the possibility of an extension does not mean that Phil / Horny are on board with bringing him back. After all, this is the most tight-lipped the Knicks have been as far back as I can remember - there are no leaks at all.

I'm not buying it because he'll always revert back to the low efficiency, shoot first, selfish PG he's always been. I don't think I "fail" to comprehend the situation and positives/negative when I know for a fact I have more experience than you do working in the front office of a basketball team with the president/GM and coaches.

You and I clearly don't see eye to eye on this so there's no need to begin a back and forth. I trust my eyes over most people here, with a few exceptions (and I think they know who they are).

He will always be a shoot first PG, though this year he's taking less shots than he has his whole career. What PGs aren't shoot first? Rondo & Paul? Lately the thing that's been keeping his efficiency down since the injuries is the inability to get to the line if he keeps this trend of going to the line his efficiency will be fine.

Lastly the only way he'll revert to anything is if he gets hurt again. If he stays healthy he's probably more likely to trend up than regress. If you don't like him fine but to spout some stuff about regression is just ridiculous

[NYKMentality85]

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Hornacek always plays matchups and the hot hand, as good coaches will do. The game before he was "benched" he scored 30 against Westbrook and outscored him while shooting 50% with 10 for 10 on free throws. That's great!

[blueNorange]

rule of thumb in every sport, you never trust a players production during a contract year.

[HEZI]

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[NBA Fan 1234]

Well thank God the likes of both Phil Jackson and Jeff Hornacek doesn't feel the same.

I can't remember the last N.Y PG who's put up this type of production and it's been forever since we've featured an aggressive/attacking PG who could penetrate defenses, drive to the rim & score as D.Rose can.

He's taking so much pressure off of the likes of both Anthony and Porzingis. He's an X-Factor and some fans simply fail to comprehend all of the above.

Who says they don't? Just because of a report from Rose saying he'd like to stay and another report saying the Knicks haven't ruled out the possibility of an extension does not mean that Phil / Horny are on board with bringing him back. After all, this is the most tight-lipped the Knicks have been as far back as I can remember - there are no leaks at all.

I'm not buying it because he'll always revert back to the low efficiency, shoot first, selfish PG he's always been. I don't think I "fail" to comprehend the situation and positives/negative when I know for a fact I have more experience than you do working in the front office of a basketball team with the president/GM and coaches.

You and I clearly don't see eye to eye on this so there's no need to begin a back and forth. I trust my eyes over most people here, with a few exceptions (and I think they know who they are).

He will always be a shoot first PG, though this year he's taking less shots than he has his whole career. What PGs aren't shoot first? Rondo & Paul? Lately the thing that's been keeping his efficiency down since the injuries is the inability to get to the line if he keeps this trend of going to the line his efficiency will be fine.

Lastly the only way he'll revert to anything is if he gets hurt again. If he stays healthy he's probably more likely to trend up than regress. If you don't like him fine but to spout some stuff about regression is just ridiculous

The difference between Rose and other shoot first point guards is efficiency. Rose has been above league average in ts% once (off top of my head) in his entire career. Even before the injuries and when he was "healthy" after them. That is bad. In addition, he takes an insane amount of low IQ shots when he doesn't have numbers, has an open guy, isn't open,etc.

Rose's two game stretch means nothing - that's what I'm saying.

This thread is going to be nothing more than a "MY opinion vs YOUR opinion" thread anyway and both sides will use recent games to prove points. I've posted the stats, which admittedly cannot be used alone, but combine them with eye test and conclusions can be made.

That said, I'm done with this thread.

[Icandoallthings]

The Knicks should wait and see what the market.... LMAO this organization will screw this up.

[blueNorange]

The Knicks should wait and see what the market.... LMAO this organization will screw this up.

knicks re-signing derrick rose would be a new york knicks blunder of a move.

dude is in a contract year and still can't put up good numbers, his ts% is .509 which is horrible, you can sign a guy from the nbdl that can put a better ts%.

[3toheadmelo]

rose has been super clutch for us tho

[dablackprodigy]

I think we resign him we need to stop bringing new guys in every year and establish the chemistry and culture with the players we have now

[goldenbrandon]

We're not getting anyone better than Rose so let's just bring him back. Rose isn't as bad as some of you make him to be. Do you watch basketball or just skim through it?


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[BKlutch]

I agree with all of those who say Rose hasn't been that great, on average. But his last 10 games, he's been a lot better. Looking at his highlights from Friday night's game, he seems to have been passing a bit better, too. I thought he was horrible the first 7 or 8 games. A lot of this has to be just getting to know the players. We need to see more of him. But here's the interesting thing: If you look at our last 10 games, we're 7-3 and not that bad. True, we haven't played the best teams, but we're doing fine. If we consider the first 9 games as "getting to know you," then we're not a bad team after that. Let's see how we do in the next 10 games. Then we'll know if Rose is what we need, or if we need to all put our faith in a combination of BJ and a D leaguer. Of course, Phil is not saying if there's some Euro PG he and Clarence have been eyeing.

[Yankeeknickfan]

Rose coming back should be like plan B or C behind CP3 or Jrue

[Jeff Van Gully]

We're not getting anyone better than Rose so let's just bring him back. Rose isn't as bad as some of you make him to be. Do you watch basketball or just skim through it?


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i'm influenced by the ghetto derrick rose ruined.

seriously though, rose will likely be the best option available to us this offseason. we might as well try to get the most out of him (including adjustment to team strategy) and just retain him for as cheaply as possible.

dude really needs to work on his jumper. so flat.

[Capn'O]

I may be wrong about this but wouldn't going re-signing him during the season (thus putting us over the cap) open up an MLE exception for us? That might be the best argument for it. Sign him, then use the MLE on BJ.

He has been playing better overall. I still wouldn't advocate signing him unless he consistently impacts games positively over a period of time. Even if he is the "best" option, which I am not convinced of, you still don't do it unless it's a good option. Stop-gap and kick the can.

[Yankeeknickfan]

I could see rose be a Fitzpatrick like situation. After we strike out on CP3/Jrue, we dance around for a couple of months trying to find a good deal. Rose wants long term. While nobody else touches him for more than one yr. eventually we agree to a 1+1 type deal, or a 2 yr deal

[3toheadmelo]

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[Yankeeknickfan]

when is the last time CP3 had a healthy season?

i don't care, he is worth the risk. He's a top 5 player period. besides he is way healthier than D Rose.

He sure as hell is not coming here though

Of all of the big targets we've done in the past 6 yrs, he's the most realistic.

[goldenbrandon]

I could see rose be a Fitzpatrick like situation. After we strike out on CP3/Jrue, we dance around for a couple of months trying to find a good deal. Rose wants long term. While nobody else touches him for more than one yr. eventually we agree to a 1+1 type deal, or a 2 yr deal

I wouldn't go that far. Did Fitz win a MVP I'm unaware of? Really though people make it seem like Rose is trash. He's been good so far. He's shown flashes and most importantly he's healthy. If we're not getting CP3 or Steph then sign Rose. Honestly I'd take Rose over Wall right now


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