Joel Embiid -- The Process is now Live

[Embiid P]

He only has to step on the court to be eligible.

I hear you but doesn't he have to have a minimum amount of shots taken, points, rebounds, blocks, etc. to be considered?

Perhaps to be typically considered, but that's not the case currently since this draft class has been unprecedentedly awful to this point.

The least amount of minutes a winner has played Mike Miller's 29.1 mpg, however he had played in all 82 games that season. The fewest amount of games played in was Patrick Ewing and Vince Carter, they each played in 50, but played 35 mpg, Kyrie played in 51 while playing 30.5 mpg.

However, consider that nobody else comes close to points, rebounds, blocks, etc. of past winners when considering positional expectations.

Interesting. Thanks for the info. IIRC Carter's rookie season was during the lockout shortened season. If that's the case, then Embiid should definitely win it barring a major setback to his health. Heck, even Simmons might have an outside shot at consideration if he comes back soon enough this season. Not that I'm advocating for him to rush it though.

[TTP]

Embiid is -400 to win ROTY right now. The only thing that will prevent him from winning is injury.

[Ericb5]

I know that Embiid always wants to play against the top players and probably wants to play against Gasol on Tuesday, but the Monday game is home.

I'm assuming that Embiid will play against the Nuggets on Monday.


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[snoopdogg88]

I'm going to the game tonight. He better play

This was also the free game I got for being at the Kings debacle on Wednesday

[Ericb5]

I'm going to the game tonight. He better play

This was also the free game I got for being at the Kings debacle on Wednesday

Then he MUST be playing. If the Sixers used this game as one of the King game makeups then they would look bad to not play him.

If he plays tonight, then he can then play on Thursday against Davis, assuming that Davis plays of course.

[HartfordWhalers]

I'm going to the game tonight. He better play

This was also the free game I got for being at the Kings debacle on Wednesday

Then he MUST be playing. If the Sixers used this game as one of the King game makeups then they would look bad to not play him.

Sixers haven't exactly been one to care about that sort of thing.

[dbodner]

I'm going to the game tonight. He better play

This was also the free game I got for being at the Kings debacle on Wednesday

Then he MUST be playing. If the Sixers used this game as one of the King game makeups then they would look bad to not play him.

Sixers haven't exactly been one to care about that sort of thing.

Nor should they.

[Ericb5]

Then he MUST be playing. If the Sixers used this game as one of the King game makeups then they would look bad to not play him.

Sixers haven't exactly been one to care about that sort of thing.

Nor should they.

In a 50-50 decision though I think that they should care about that. I'm not saying that they should change their plan. He is probably going to play on Thursday, and in one of these game tonight or tomorrow.

[dbodner]

Sixers haven't exactly been one to care about that sort of thing.

Nor should they.

In a 50-50 decision though I think that they should care about that. I'm not saying that they should change their plan. He is probably going to play on Thursday, and in one of these game tonight or tomorrow.

It's not a 50-50 decision. They have preferences of how many games they want him to play in a certain amount of days, and how lengthy of resting days they want (and don't want) him to have. Even if it's a very small impact, they should go with what the doctors have decided is the best schedule, not to mention what the coaching staff thinks will be the best experience for Embiid in terms of matchup and learning, not to mention how much rest they think will give him the best chance of performing at his peak.

In the long term, the priorities of the organization (developing Embiid the best they can) and the priorities of the fan base align.

[PhilasFinest]

Nor should they.

In a 50-50 decision though I think that they should care about that. I'm not saying that they should change their plan. He is probably going to play on Thursday, and in one of these game tonight or tomorrow.

It's not a 50-50 decision. They have preferences of how many games they want him to play in a certain amount of days, and how lengthy of resting days they want (and don't want) him to have. Even if it's a very small impact, they should go with what the doctors have decided is the best schedule, not to mention what the coaching staff thinks will be the best experience for Embiid in terms of matchup and learning, not to mention how much rest they think will give him the best chance of performing at his peak.

In the long term, the priorities of the organization (developing Embiid the best they can) and the priorities of the fan base align.

Agree 100%. I totally understand the fan side of it. If I paid money to see a game and Embiid randomly sits, id be PISSED and disappointed. BUT, if him resting on certain games is going to allow me to go to Playoff games in 2-3 years and watch him dominate....well then its something I am willing to sacrifice as a fan.

[dbodner]

My one criticism is they should announce the decision farther in advance.

[HartfordWhalers]

My one criticism is they should announce the decision farther in advance.

That just gives the other team more time to prepare, and takes away an informational advantage that we have.

[Ericb5]

Nor should they.

In a 50-50 decision though I think that they should care about that. I'm not saying that they should change their plan. He is probably going to play on Thursday, and in one of these game tonight or tomorrow.

It's not a 50-50 decision. They have preferences of how many games they want him to play in a certain amount of days, and how lengthy of resting days they want (and don't want) him to have. Even if it's a very small impact, they should go with what the doctors have decided is the best schedule, not to mention what the coaching staff thinks will be the best experience for Embiid in terms of matchup and learning, not to mention how much rest they think will give him the best chance of performing at his peak.

In the long term, the priorities of the organization (developing Embiid the best they can) and the priorities of the fan base align.

Well Ok. I agree with that. I don't want them to compromise on their plan. I think that they have handled him beautifully, and I want that to continue. Something made me think that they had given Joel the option in the past of which game in a back to back that he wanted to play, but maybe that wasn't true.

[sixers hoops]

Then he MUST be playing. If the Sixers used this game as one of the King game makeups then they would look bad to not play him.

Sixers haven't exactly been one to care about that sort of thing.

Nor should they.

True. Joel's health is the most important factor of our future success.

I'm not exactly sure of the benefits of his restrictions but if that is what his doctor's recommend, then follow it...I feel like if the bone is fully healed then it will either hold up or it won't. I'm not a doctor, but I assume they are restricting minutes while he rebuilds the muscles in his foot, they evaluate the effectiveness of his footwear, review his running, jumping, landing, and make sure all other conditions are approved before they let him go through a normal NBA schedule.

[dbodner]

My one criticism is they should announce the decision farther in advance.

That just gives the other team more time to prepare, and takes away an informational advantage that we have.

I'm sure every team is gameplanning that Embiid will play anyway. And It's not like it's a big adjustment to then switch that up to gameplan against Okafor. I think that's pretty minor, tbh.

[Ericb5]

Sixers haven't exactly been one to care about that sort of thing.

Nor should they.

True. Joel's health is the most important factor of our future success.

I'm not exactly sure of the benefits of his restrictions but if that is what his doctor's recommend, then follow it...I feel like if the bone is fully healed then it will either hold up or it won't. I'm not a doctor, but I assume they are restricting minutes while he rebuilds the muscles in his foot, they evaluate the effectiveness of his footwear, review his running, jumping, landing, and make sure all other conditions are approved before they let him go through a normal NBA schedule.

I don't think that the actual bone is the main driver of the minutes restrictions. I think that they are ramping up load so they could detect any issues with the bone early, but I think that they are mainly concerned with managing the stress on the rest of his body, and think that he is more likely to get a different injury if they ramp him up too quickly.

It sometimes seems as if the restrictions have been in place forever, but in reality he started playing games again in the middle of October, and it has only been a month and a half since then, and they have raised his minutes significantly during that stretch.

If he stays healthy then this whole period will be a foot note in his career. He has gone from 12 to 28 minutes in about 20 games or so.

If he gets from 28 to 36 minutes over the next 20 games, and then goes from zero back to backs to every back to back in the following 20 games then that is good enough for me.

Maybe they get him up to full minutes first, and then start allowing him to play the second game in a back to back with a restriction in that second game? Like 36 minutes in the first game, and then start at 12 min again for the second game, and monitor his body.

If everything is good, then bump him up to 16 min in the next back to back, then 20, then so on.

I want him to have no medical restrictions whatsoever for the start of year 2. That's my home run success wish.

[HartfordWhalers]

My one criticism is they should announce the decision farther in advance.

That just gives the other team more time to prepare, and takes away an informational advantage that we have.

I'm sure every team is gameplanning that Embiid will play anyway. And It's not like it's a big adjustment to then switch that up to gameplan against Okafor. I think that's pretty minor, tbh.

Game planning from Embiid starting and Okafor off the bench to Okafor starting and Holmes off the bench feels like a bigger switch up than that.

Now, I don't think that is the primary reason to not announce it (or remotely close to it... heck even top 12 for an argument for why most likely...), but I do think it is something that if someone were trying to get ever small possible edge they would consider. Thus the fake hinkie tag.


I mean a better reason to just not announce it is what if it changes. What if Embiid tweaks an ankle in morning shoot around and they want to switch him back one day out of an overabundance of caution. Thats not a big deal if you never said when he would play, and it is just a decision that he plays the next day 'as planned'. If instead you have an extra 1000 tickets sold because you promised Embiid, you are pissing off a lot of people and opening up story lines you don't have to 'Embiid health always a question, causes team to change plans again!'

[dbodner]

I mean if Embiid tweaks an ankle you just handle it like any other player who tweaks an ankle. "Joel Embiid tweaked an ankle and will be out today's game". It's not like he's going to tweak an ankle in shootaround, not play, then be 100% certain the next day for the second half of a back-to-back. He's going to end up in the injury report one way or another. And it's not like you "promised" Embiid any more than any other team promises its starters.

And, frankly, it's much easier to tell the people who bought a ticket to see Embiid tonight that he tweaked an ankle than it is to explain to people why you let them buy tickets for tomorrow's game (hypothetical where it's a home-home back-to-back) without announcing your intentions until the last possible minute. Tweaked ankles are a part of sports.

I also don't generally care all that much. I'm not up in arms about it or anything. I just give it more credence than a "they owe it to the fans to play him at home" argument.

[tk76]

Back on Oct 15th Embiid stated he does not expect to miss more than 5 back to back games this year. Of note, tomorrow is B2B #6.

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[Ericb5]

Back on Oct 15th Embiid stated he does not expect to miss more than 5 back to back games this year. Of note, tomorrow is B2B #6.

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I wouldn't count on that as being anything other than wishful thinking.

I think that they ought to work on getting him back to full strength for regular games before they start allowing him to do back to backs.

I think that the idea is that a game the following day will cloud their ability to interpret how his body is reacting to the first game. Like they want the dust to settle from the first one before they cloud it up again.

That's just a guess though.


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