2016-2017 College Basketball / '17 NBA Draft Thread

Post #581 » by **Sixerscan** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:12 am

None of these guys are on Simmons' level as a prospect IMO. There's 5-6 that would be ranked right with or above Ingram though. And you can make the argument that Brown Dunn ect wouldn't have been top 10 picks this year.

Seems like the patience in not dangling that Lakers pick for something at the last draft is going to pay off. It'd be nice if that dropped a few more spots though.

Kobblehead · Post #582 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:41 am

76thBearCub wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:Nah, it's not a big deal. Someone just mixed them up yesterday too.

Where would you rank a freshman Simmons from this point of last year with this draft class, roughly?

Definitely the clear cut #1. The only one who comes close to matching his two-way dominance has been Josh Jackson.

It's truly amazing how special a prospect Ben Simmons was. Not only was this dude a dominant 2-way player, but he was rebounding at an elite level and distributing at an elite level. Just an incredibly unique talent.

Kobblehead · Post #583 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:52 am

Still think that Brandon Ingram is a mediocre talent that doesn't even project as a starter.

Post #584 » by **Sixerscan** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 12:57 am

He's very young. It took him a while to adjust to college ball. He'll be fine.

Kobblehead · Post #585 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:13 am

Ball just hit a three from NBA range. Forget the form, that J is legit.

Kobblehead · Post #586 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:17 am

Ball is insane. Dropping bombs from distance. Getting on-ball steals at halfcourt.

76thBearCub · Post #587 » by **76thBearCub** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:18 am

I think maybe Simmons got such high praise early on he actually ended up being underrated somehow. At least in the eyes of major media.

Ericb5 · Post #588 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:19 am

Kobblehead wrote:Ball is insane. Dropping bombs from distance. Getting on-ball steals at halfcourt.

Just came here to post the same thing.

Plus he is playing off the ball too.

He's a beast.

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Kobblehead · Post #589 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:21 am

This Leaf guy is intriguing. He has some post moves, he's a great finisher, he has a jumper, he's a decent rebounder. Another diaper dandy, too.

Ericb5 · Post #590 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:22 am

Kobblehead wrote:This Leaf guy is intriguing. He has some post moves, he's a great finisher, he has a jumper, he's a decent rebounder. Another diaper dandy, too.

Looks like he is about 12 though. Lol

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Kobblehead · Post #591 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:25 am

76thBearCub wrote:I think maybe Simmons got such high praise early on he actually ended up being underrated somehow. At least in the eyes of major media.

He got negative rub for being on an irrelevant LSU squad.

In the media's eyes, phenoms are supposed to carry trash teams to the tourney. Ben didn't deliver on that concept.

The same will happen to Markelle Fultz over the Winter and Spring.

Kobblehead · Post #592 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:29 am

Lonzo Ball looks like Comeback Season era Drake.

Ericb5 · Post #593 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:30 am

Ball might just be the perfect pick for us. He can probably defend the 1-3, but can play off the ball on offense, and he simply can't be left open.

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76thBearCub · Post #594 » by **76thBearCub** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:31 am

Kobblehead wrote:
76thBearCub wrote:I think maybe Simmons got such high praise early on he actually ended up being underrated somehow. At least in the eyes of major media.

He got negative rub for being on an irrelevant LSU squad.

In the media's eyes, phenoms are supposed to carry trash teams to tourney. Ben didn't deliver on that concept.

The same will happen to Markelle Fultz over the Winter and Spring.

Yea, of course only us nerds are more heavily concerned with who will be a better NBA player, rather then who is helping this college team win right now. It's frustrating but understandable.

Kobblehead · Post #595 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:35 am

I like that Ball's coach trusts him enough defensively to put him on hot players, but I'm not quite convinced on his defense. I get the early impression that he's more of a Klay Thompson-esche defender. In that he'll work really hard to get positioning and just get beat but people will still think he's a good defender.

Kobblehead · Post #596 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:43 am

Ball could legit compete in every all-star event. Three point contest, obstacle course where you gotta perform all those passes, and the dunk contest. He's a pretty impressive specimen.

Kobblehead · Post #597 » by **Kobblehead** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:47 am

WOW, what a show from Ball in that first half. Absolutely insane talent. Dude is pulling up from 30 in this game.

14 points, 4 threes, 3 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals

eagereyez · Post #598 » by **eagereyez** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:49 am

That was impressive. And the refs robbed him of an And-1. He can't seem to hit his FT's though.

Ericb5 · Post #599 » by **Ericb5** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:49 am

Ball's shooting form is different than any I have ever seen, but he is deadly from deep.

No coach would teach it that way, but no coach should try to get him to change it either.

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LloydFree · Post #600 » by **LloydFree** » Sun Dec 11, 2016 2:09 am

Lonzo Ball is so good it's ridiculous.