Brooklyn Nets 2017 Draft Thread

[shakendfries]

Biggest college ball game of the year so far w/ plenty of NBA level talent

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The Nets had 2 scouts w/ Kentucky this week so maybe Sean knows something we don't?

Meanwhile, future NBA All Star 18 year old at Duke impresses Kyrie

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Haven't you heard the Afro is back in style?

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[shakendfries]

Given the Marks' propensity for long PGs, anyone else remember Georghino de Paula?

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Definite draft & stash potential here

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[Paradise]

Grayson Allen has 26 points, 3 rebounds in 20 minutes vs UNLV.


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[Prokorov]

Grayson Allen... i dont know... i mean we obviously love shooters. but i think we really need a big time offensive athlete or two. right now we dont challenge anyone vertically.

[Prokorov]

I think we need to take a long look at Jaron Blossomgame. someone i think we can probably get with the boston pick or maybe trade into the late teens with the boston pick to get. Guy is super explosive and can really take the top off of defenses. we REALLY need offensive athletes. you can talk about mccullough or RHJ those are good ahtletes, this guy is like a 6/8" markel brown with his explosiveness. Like a Jaylen Brown type athlete.

48% on catch and shoot last year and 44% from three. Perfect fit for MArks/Atkinson imo.

4 year college guy likely wont go as high being older, but another area we can look to get solid talent without a great pick.

We need a guy like this on our squad:

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[DeRoma]

I think we need to take a long look at Jaron Blossomgame. someone i think we can probably get with the boston pick or maybe trade into the late teens with the boston pick to get. Guy is super explosive and can really take the top off of defenses. we REALLY need offensive athletes. you can talk about mccullough or RHJ those are good ahtletes, this guy is like a 6/8" markel brown with his explosiveness. Like a Jaylen Brown type athlete.

48% on catch and shoot last year and 44% from three. Perfect fit for MArks/Atkinson imo.

4 year college guy likely wont go as high being older, but another area we can look to get solid talent without a great pick.

We need a guy like this on our squad:

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I was looking at this guy last year because he was in the draft combine. I remember he has one of the highest physical tools out of anyone in this years draft.

[shakendfries]

I think we need to take a long look at Jaron Blossomgame. someone i think we can probably get with the boston pick or maybe trade into the late teens with the boston pick to get. Guy is super explosive and can really take the top off of defenses. we REALLY need offensive athletes. you can talk about mccullough or RHJ those are good ahtletes, this guy is like a 6/8" markel brown with his explosiveness. Like a Jaylen Brown type athlete.

48% on catch and shoot last year and 44% from three. Perfect fit for MArks/Atkinson imo.

4 year college guy likely wont go as high being older, but another area we can look to get solid talent without a great pick.

We need a guy like this on our squad:

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I was looking at this guy last year because he was in the draft combine. I remember he has one of the highest physical tools out of anyone in this years draft.

Yeah, but athleticism? I'm not sold that factor dramatically changes the Nets

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Athleticism is cool, but there are plenty of athletic players who don't move the needle - Aaron Gordon, Thomas Robinson, Wesley Johnson. Especially from the wing position, athleticism is way overrated if it isn't augmented by shot creation, or a jumper. Just off the scouting report, I'm not sure if this kid has the makeup to evolve into a dynamic wing player you might have in mind like Otto Porter.He may become a wonderful NBA player, but I'm not convinced his skillset translates into immediate impact. I just don't see an offensive game that beats out Rondae's defense consistently in practice, or beats out Bojan's/Joe's shooting, so I'm not sure if this kid's game will warrant any NBA minutes.

Also not sold on Grayson Allen. Talented in college, yes, but if scouts felt his skillset translated well to the NBA I think he would've been drafted last year.

[Paradise]

Also not sold on Grayson Allen. Talented in college, yes, but if scouts felt his skillset translated well to the NBA I think he would've been drafted last year.

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Can't be drafted If you didn't declare lol. Duke was bringing in Tatum and Giles. Allen wants to win a national championship. I don't see how he doesn't translate to the NBA. He's one of the better shooters and drivers in the nation. He could've easily went in the 20s of the first round in the draft had he declared. He's an NBA ready prospect. Like Plumlee was in 2013.

Yes, we need athleticism but half of the teams who kick our ass aren't filled with a bunch of damn athletes either. It's also a lack of talent. Athleticism and talent are not mutually the same.

Allen has a shooting and scoring talent level that can translate him into a very good rotational piece in today's game. He's like a SG version of Kaminsky.






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[shakendfries]

Grayson Allen has 26 points, 3 rebounds in 20 minutes vs UNLV.


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Like I mentioned, I'm not too keen on Grayson Allen. Small guards need a lot to compensate, and Grayson is definitely benefiting from playing with much more talented players who attract more attention from the defense. Most of his highlights are him hitting open shots created by his teammates. But I will admit, this performance against UNLV is impressive, and I'll definitely pay more attention to him when I watch Duke moving forward.

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Luke Kennard can score the ball, but many of his highlights involve him hitting layups and open shots. Kennard has some more things going for him than Grayson - his size and jumper. The things I'll pay attention to most moving forwards is I'd like to see if he can take his opponents off the dribble, especially when the level of competition increases come tournament time.

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Note: highlights are good for getting a read on what a player does well, but it doesn't capture the intangibles that impact a game. It won't show all of the deflections and good defensive possessions against talented offensive players, the help defense leading to a steal from a teammate, if a player can perform with a high motor when the rest of his teammates are tired. For me personally, I watch highlights to know who to pay attention to come tournament time, when the level of competition increases. I'd invite casual viewers to pay attention to the way a player is able to get his shot, in order to figure out how they might compete in the NBA.

A player like Rondae is likely to execute best using his speed in transition, cutting to the basket at the right time, and occasionally (once or twice a game) take an opponent off the dribble. Bojan is a decent shot creator and can do a bit of everything, but doesn't have any elite athleticism that will allow him to surpass a superior opponent. Joe Harris appears to bee blossoming into a knockdown catch and shoot player who can hit open shots, pump fake and make a move to the basket -a more Reddik esque skillset.

Noticing their profiles, and potential areas that could unlock more opportunities for them to improve (finishing at the rim would do so much for Rondae, Harris being a solid defender might be the only thing holding him back from being a legit starter) is critical to understanding how they might fit in the NBA.

Lastly, there is no science to this. Paul Pierce is a HOF who was never a freak athlete. He could score, but there were questions about him creating at an NBA level. Lottery picks bust every year, and there are usually only between 5-10 difference makers in a draft class. Its cool to opine about potential but at the end of the day, nobody really knows what the future holds.

[Paradise]

I just think we need to explore every option in the draft. Especially, in preparation for the pick to be low. Right now, Boston has a brutal stretch coming with their next games @OKC, @San Antonio, Charlotte, Miami, @indy, NY. Two winnable games in their next six. So, that pick can turn go up or down. Right now, it's looking like it will rise.

I wouldn't take Allen as my first choice. There's plenty of other interesting talent. I think we need to get better at the Forward spots first but Allen is one of the better shooters in the draft and as we continue to build cornerstones for the future we will need to find our Redick/Korver to fit this offense.

Harris is developing into a reliable shooter. Redick-esque but he definitely does not have enough consistency or defensive ability to be a starter across the league. Especially at 24.

Atleast, Allen brings a much more ready shot and a lot more finishing than Harris and explosiveness.

We have to remember Harris, Hamilton, Bennett were not first options for Marks. He wanted a combo guard capable of shooting and developing an all around game. He signed Johnson. He didn't get him. So, I highly doubt he will go into the draft without the intent to find a prospect capable of fitting the particular skill set he wants to build with alongside LeVert who sounds to me like the future PG of this team.


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[shakendfries]

Josh Hart, who won the NCAA Championship last year with Villanova, had a career night - putting up 37 points against Notre Dame, in impressive fashion.

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Taking defenders off the dribble, hitting from the perimeter, getting to the rim, finishing through traffic, displaying the ability to take over a game & lead his team - Hart shows off a bit of everything. Villanova knows how to survive the tournament, so Hart will have a chance to play his way into the lottery, but this kid definitely looked special tonight.

[shakendfries]

I just think we need to explore every option in the draft. Especially, in preparation for the pick to be low. Right now, Boston has a brutal stretch coming with their next games @OKC, @San Antonio, Charlotte, Miami, @indy, NY. Two winnable games in their next six. So, that pick can turn go up or down. Right now, it's looking like it will rise.

I wouldn't take Allen as my first choice. There's plenty of other interesting talent. I think we need to get better at the Forward spots first but Allen is one of the better shooters in the draft and as we continue to build cornerstones for the future we will need to find our Redick/Korver to fit this offense.

Harris is developing into a reliable shooter. Redick-esque but he definitely does not have enough consistency or defensive ability to be a starter across the league. Especially at 24.

Atleast, Allen brings a much more ready shot and a lot more finishing than Harris and explosiveness.

We have to remember Harris, Hamilton, Bennett were not first options for Marks. He wanted a combo guard capable of shooting and developing an all around game. He signed Johnson. He didn't get him. So, I highly doubt he will go into the draft without the intent to find a prospect capable of fitting the particular skill set he wants to build with alongside LeVert who sounds to me like the future PG of this team.


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Most of all, the Nets need to take a page out of the Grizzlies book

JaMychal Green(26) - D-League, France, Austin Spurs 110Ortg, 102Drtg
Deytona Davis(20) - 2016: 2nd Rnd, 31st by BOS 104Ortg, 101Drtg
Wade Baldwin(20) - 2016: 1st Rnd, 17th by MEM 80Ortg, 103Drtg

Discover an identity that suits your personnel, find players who fit that identity, develop a culture that prioritizes defense first & playing hard

[Paradise]

I just think we need to explore every option in the draft. Especially, in preparation for the pick to be low. Right now, Boston has a brutal stretch coming with their next games @OKC, @San Antonio, Charlotte, Miami, @indy, NY. Two winnable games in their next six. So, that pick can turn go up or down. Right now, it's looking like it will rise.

I wouldn't take Allen as my first choice. There's plenty of other interesting talent. I think we need to get better at the Forward spots first but Allen is one of the better shooters in the draft and as we continue to build cornerstones for the future we will need to find our Redick/Korver to fit this offense.

Harris is developing into a reliable shooter. Redick-esque but he definitely does not have enough consistency or defensive ability to be a starter across the league. Especially at 24.

Atleast, Allen brings a much more ready shot and a lot more finishing than Harris and explosiveness.

We have to remember Harris, Hamilton, Bennett were not first options for Marks. He wanted a combo guard capable of shooting and developing an all around game. He signed Johnson. He didn't get him. So, I highly doubt he will go into the draft without the intent to find a prospect capable of fitting the particular skill set he wants to build with alongside LeVert who sounds to me like the future PG of this team.


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Most of all, the Nets need to take a page out of the Grizzlies book

JaMychal Green(26) - D-League, France, Austin Spurs 110Ortg, 102Drtg
Deytona Davis(20) - 2016: 2nd Rnd, 31st by BOS 104Ortg, 101Drtg
Wade Baldwin(20) - 2016: 1st Rnd, 17th by MEM 80Ortg, 103Drtg

Discover an identity that suits your personnel, find players who fit that identity, develop a culture that prioritizes defense first & playing hard

They've done a good job of establishing a culture. They play hard. We have a gritty identity but we have way too many raw prospects and soft defenders mainly here for offensive production (i.e. Hamilton, Harris, Bogs, Scola, etc).

You need atleast some productive veterans to help guide these kids. We have a bunch of slow low IQ veterans instead. Good guys but they are absolute net negatives.

I'd take Carter over Foye and Scola combined.


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[Curns13]

Any chance we can call this season off right now? I'd be very excited to get the 17 pick off the Celtics and finish with the 4th worst record. Who do we need to petition?

[kamaze]

Grayson Allen has 26 points, 3 rebounds in 20 minutes vs UNLV.


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Like I mentioned, I'm not too keen on Grayson Allen. Small guards need a lot to compensate, and Grayson is definitely benefiting from playing with much more talented players who attract more attention from the defense. Most of his highlights are him hitting open shots created by his teammates. But I will admit, this performance against UNLV is impressive, and I'll definitely pay more attention to him when I watch Duke moving forward.

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Luke Kennard can score the ball, but many of his highlights involve him hitting layups and open shots. Kennard has some more things going for him than Grayson - his size and jumper. The things I'll pay attention to most moving forwards is I'd like to see if he can take his opponents off the dribble, especially when the level of competition increases come tournament time.

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Kennard is quicker and a better ball handler too.

[Prokorov]

Athleticism is cool, but there are plenty of athletic players who don't move the needle - Aaron Gordon, Thomas Robinson, Wesley Johnson. Especially from the wing position, athleticism is way overrated if it isn't augmented by shot creation, or a jumper. Just off the scouting report, I'm not sure if this kid has the makeup to evolve into a dynamic wing player you might have in mind like Otto Porter.He may become a wonderful NBA player, but I'm not convinced his skillset translates into immediate impact. I just don't see an offensive game that beats out Rondae's defense consistently in practice, or beats out Bojan's/Joe's shooting, so I'm not sure if this kid's game will warrant any NBA minutes.

I think he certainly has the skillset. 44% from three and 48% on catch shoot. very much like otto porter in build and skillset, although im not saying he has that ceiling but he can probably be porter-lite or better.

he isnt just an athlete like gordon or robinson and is much more a wing then those 2 players are. good passer and unselfish. i think he is a perfect fit for a nets offense that emphasizes catch and shoot, making the extra pass, and moving without the ball... and he would bring the element we are missing, someone who can finsih over the top, in traffic, and add a verticle element to the team.

Issue is going to be drafting him... will someone in the late lotto or teens take him despite his age? if so we would need to trade up.

[shakendfries]

We talkin bout athleticism?

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This kid might be one helluva draft & stash prospect. He's still pretty raw at the moment.

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[Prokorov]

Jeremy Morgan could be another guy we could potentially take... remind sme a little of kevin martin. uptempo, good ahtlete, 45% from three this year... leads NI in everything... tons and tons of steals. led them to some success last year

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also... super high charecter kid. hard worker. unselfish. i think he is a great fit here. we need defenders and this guy can defend... and he is showing a ton of 2-way potential this year. just exploded for 38 and 11

[MrDollarBills]

Athleticism is cool, but there are plenty of athletic players who don't move the needle - Aaron Gordon, Thomas Robinson, Wesley Johnson. Especially from the wing position, athleticism is way overrated if it isn't augmented by shot creation, or a jumper. Just off the scouting report, I'm not sure if this kid has the makeup to evolve into a dynamic wing player you might have in mind like Otto Porter.He may become a wonderful NBA player, but I'm not convinced his skillset translates into immediate impact. I just don't see an offensive game that beats out Rondae's defense consistently in practice, or beats out Bojan's/Joe's shooting, so I'm not sure if this kid's game will warrant any NBA minutes.

I think he certainly has the skillset. 44% from three and 48% on catch shoot. very much like otto porter in build and skillset, although im not saying he has that ceiling but he can probably be porter-lite or better.

he isnt just an athlete like gordon or robinson and is much more a wing then those 2 players are. good passer and unselfish. i think he is a perfect fit for a nets offense that emphasizes catch and shoot, making the extra pass, and moving without the ball... and he would bring the element we are missing, someone who can finsih over the top, in traffic, and add a verticle element to the team.

Issue is going to be drafting him... will someone in the late lotto or teens take him despite his age? if so we would need to trade up.

DX has him at #27. I think he'd be in striking range. I don't think Boston's pick will be that late.

[shakendfries]

Those Morgan highlights look promising. Definitely watching for UNI come tourney time


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