Rockets match Nets offer for Donuts (Updte Pg 17: Offer Pulled, DMo UFA)

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Re: Rockets match Nets offer for Donuts 

Post#301 » by California Gold » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:00 pm

FNQ wrote:Is it confirmed he failed his Houston physical? Man, that would really suck for the poor guy. Because the Nets did pass him through their physical and signed him, yet he can't re-sign with them because of this situation.

Is it possible the Rockets S&T DMo to the Nets or is there no way to get him there anymore?


They're speaking with the NBA and the Nets to see if there's a way to circumvent the rule and get him to Brooklyn. It's pretty clear at this point the Rockets just want to be done with Motiejunas so they're helping him go to the destination where he passed his physical and was offered a contract.

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Post#302 » by quatin » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:01 pm

Morey talking to league and nets right now. The rumor is failed physical is not related to his back. This might be DM trying to get dmo back to the nets.
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Re: Rockets match Nets offer for Donuts 

Post#303 » by FNQ » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:10 pm

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FNQ wrote:Is it confirmed he failed his Houston physical? Man, that would really suck for the poor guy. Because the Nets did pass him through their physical and signed him, yet he can't re-sign with them because of this situation.

Is it possible the Rockets S&T DMo to the Nets or is there no way to get him there anymore?


They're speaking with the NBA and the Nets to see if there's a way to circumvent the rule and get him to Brooklyn. It's pretty clear at this point the Rockets just want to be done with Motiejunas so they're helping him go to the destination where he passed his physical and was offered a contract.

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That's good. I feel for DMo, being in limbo. That said how this has unfolded has become really interesting.
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Re: Rockets match Nets offer for Donuts 

Post#304 » by FNQ » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:12 pm

quatin wrote:Morey talking to league and nets right now. The rumor is failed physical is not related to his back. This might be DM trying to get dmo back to the nets.


Is the rumor that DMo is still trying to force his way elsewhere? That was the original idea when he didnt report..

Maybe the restructured contract was done (on DMo's end) so that he could be traded easier in the offseason? :dontknow: It's hard to make sense of this
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Re: Rockets match Nets offer for Donuts 

Post#305 » by California Gold » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:23 pm

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quatin wrote:Morey talking to league and nets right now. The rumor is failed physical is not related to his back. This might be DM trying to get dmo back to the nets.


Is the rumor that DMo is still trying to force his way elsewhere? That was the original idea when he didnt report..

Maybe the restructured contract was done (on DMo's end) so that he could be traded easier in the offseason? :dontknow: It's hard to make sense of this


Well the reason he didn't originally report was because when the Rockets matched the Nets offer, D-Mo was shanked a few million dollars and I guess he wasn't happy about losing that money. So they came to some sort of agreement on a new contract and he was going to be happy with staying in Houston until he took the physical the other day and now we are all back to square one with D-Mo being a restricted FA with having a chance to sign with anyone BUT the Nets. The problem is, nobody else wants him at the price he was getting from Brooklyn so now the Rockets are trying to help him get that deal back and eventually end up in Brooklyn where they have already passed his physical.
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Re: Rockets match Nets offer for Donuts 

Post#306 » by FNQ » Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:28 pm

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quatin wrote:Morey talking to league and nets right now. The rumor is failed physical is not related to his back. This might be DM trying to get dmo back to the nets.


Is the rumor that DMo is still trying to force his way elsewhere? That was the original idea when he didnt report..

Maybe the restructured contract was done (on DMo's end) so that he could be traded easier in the offseason? :dontknow: It's hard to make sense of this


Well the reason he didn't originally report was because when the Rockets matched the Nets offer, D-Mo was shanked a few million dollars and I guess he wasn't happy about losing that money. So they came to some sort of agreement on a new contract and he was going to be happy with staying in Houston until he took the physical the other day and now we are all back to square one with D-Mo being a restricted FA with having a chance to sign with anyone BUT the Nets. The problem is, nobody else wants him at the price he was getting from Brooklyn so now the Rockets are trying to help him get that deal back and eventually end up in Brooklyn where they have already passed his physical.


Oh I know the details.. it's been better than any soap opera I've ever seen

Points out a potential loophole in the RFA system. Rockets matched, but it's pending a physical. So if he fails the physical, does the original RFA offer sheet stand and he can go back to the Nets, who did clear him? It should, but that they are looking for a way to get him to BKN, means that either there isn't such a rule, or the way the Rockets and DMo went about this was wrong and now everyone's stuck in limbo.

FTR I think him going to BKN was the move all along. It would tie up HOU capspace and prevent a max offer next offseason, real head-scratcher to match.
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Re: Rockets match Nets offer for Donuts 

Post#307 » by California Gold » Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:00 pm

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Harden2Dwight wrote:
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Is the rumor that DMo is still trying to force his way elsewhere? That was the original idea when he didnt report..

Maybe the restructured contract was done (on DMo's end) so that he could be traded easier in the offseason? :dontknow: It's hard to make sense of this


Well the reason he didn't originally report was because when the Rockets matched the Nets offer, D-Mo was shanked a few million dollars and I guess he wasn't happy about losing that money. So they came to some sort of agreement on a new contract and he was going to be happy with staying in Houston until he took the physical the other day and now we are all back to square one with D-Mo being a restricted FA with having a chance to sign with anyone BUT the Nets. The problem is, nobody else wants him at the price he was getting from Brooklyn so now the Rockets are trying to help him get that deal back and eventually end up in Brooklyn where they have already passed his physical.


Oh I know the details.. it's been better than any soap opera I've ever seen

Points out a potential loophole in the RFA system. Rockets matched, but it's pending a physical. So if he fails the physical, does the original RFA offer sheet stand and he can go back to the Nets, who did clear him? It should, but that they are looking for a way to get him to BKN, means that either there isn't such a rule, or the way the Rockets and DMo went about this was wrong and now everyone's stuck in limbo.

FTR I think him going to BKN was the move all along. It would tie up HOU capspace and prevent a max offer next offseason, real head-scratcher to match.


No the original offer sheet doesn't stand. It's because of the First Refusal Exercise Notice that the Rockets applied when they matched D-Mo's offer sheet. Larry Coon did a blog on this and it explains this situation further.

If the Rockets withdraw its first refusal exercise notice, it invalidates Brooklyn’s offer sheet as well, and Motiejunas returns to restricted free agency.


http://cbafaq.com/blog/?p=381

The rumor though is that the physical he failed isn't because of his back and supposedly not due to a medical condition.

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And just to confirm the above tweet, D-Mo "liked" the tweet too. The whole situation is weird honestly.
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Post#308 » by BackseatBoss » Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:42 pm

This has got to be the most confusing situation between a player and a team ever.
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Post#309 » by Raider_MXD » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:09 pm

Harden2Dwight wrote:The rumor though is that the physical he failed isn't because of his back and supposedly not due to a medical condition.

How can you fail a physical without some form of medical issue being the reason? Can this get any crazier?
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Post#310 » by K_chile22 » Mon Dec 12, 2016 9:17 pm

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Harden2Dwight wrote:The rumor though is that the physical he failed isn't because of his back and supposedly not due to a medical condition.

How can you fail a physical without some form of medical issue being the reason? Can this get any crazier?

Either it actually is a medical condition or something like, they said he had to be in shape and he ended up being fat? Idk lol
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Post#311 » by quatin » Mon Dec 12, 2016 10:19 pm

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Harden2Dwight wrote:The rumor though is that the physical he failed isn't because of his back and supposedly not due to a medical condition.

How can you fail a physical without some form of medical issue being the reason? Can this get any crazier?



Drugs. Just speculating.
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Post#312 » by DeRoma » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:03 pm

quatin wrote:
Raider_MXD wrote:
Harden2Dwight wrote:The rumor though is that the physical he failed isn't because of his back and supposedly not due to a medical condition.

How can you fail a physical without some form of medical issue being the reason? Can this get any crazier?



Drugs. Just speculating.

No way its drugs he wouldn't have passed the Nets Physical
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Re: Rockets match Nets offer for Donuts 

Post#313 » by Freefloater » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:13 pm

Raider_MXD wrote:
Harden2Dwight wrote:The rumor though is that the physical he failed isn't because of his back and supposedly not due to a medical condition.

How can you fail a physical without some form of medical issue being the reason? Can this get any crazier?


I think the teams have at their discretion to consider player as not being healthy even if he is and they can fail him or void contract based on that.
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Re: Rockets match Nets offer for Donuts 

Post#314 » by quatin » Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:36 am

DeRoma wrote:
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Raider_MXD wrote:How can you fail a physical without some form of medical issue being the reason? Can this get any crazier?



Drugs. Just speculating.

No way its drugs he wouldn't have passed the Nets Physical


Nets physical was over a week ago. DMO could've snorted a line at the after signing party. Might explain why he no showed the Rockets physical.
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Re: Rockets match Nets offer for Donuts 

Post#315 » by pr0wler » Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:56 am

I read somewhere that the Nets "physical" might've been a lot laxer than Houston's, and since DMo failed the test in Detroit earlier this year I wouldn't be surprised to hear he also had issues with it in Houston. The deal was obviously contingent on DMo passing the physical which IMO he didn't.

Therefore, the Rockets are trying to maneuver their way out of the contract as delicately as possible as to limit the damage this will do to DMo's career going forward. I could be completely wrong on this one, but this is my take on the matter.

The other possibility, although unlikely, is they're getting second opinions/require further analysis on the physical examination and perhaps need a few days to sort everything out. Either way, I think it doesn't look good for DMo staying in a Rockets uniform or for getting a large contract elsewhere.
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Post#316 » by HankMoody69 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 9:49 am

Dmo retweeted this:
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Post#317 » by Raider_MXD » Tue Dec 13, 2016 10:21 am

pr0wler wrote:Therefore, the Rockets are trying to maneuver their way out of the contract as delicately as possible as to limit the damage this will do to DMo's career going forward.

There would have been a simpler method: don't match the contract in the first place
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Post#318 » by quatin » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:17 pm

HankMoody69 wrote:Dmo retweeted this:
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Good one. Cliffs notes:

DMO was texting with Joel after failing Houston physical.

Said Houston promised not to trade him last year, then traded him to Detroit and he was insulted by it. He wanted out of Houston, but knew it was RFA and would "nut up" and play for Houston if no other option. DMO was happy with Nets offer, because of playing time and likely bonuses. Both DMO and Houston had issues with the matched contract. Houston didn't want the no-trade 2nd year, March 1st guarantee deadline and no extra physical test before money is guaranteed. DMO didn't like the bonuses, even if Houston matched the Nets bonuses, because of less playing time and likely bonuses becoming unlikely. I don't know who the other guy on the show is, but he said the players union is likely going to get involved and it was Morey doing DMO dirty by not matching the bonuses at all. Maybe it was a move to force DMO to renegotiate the matched contract, which eventually happened. Then he brought up Morey having a history of treating players too much like assets like Parsons and Barkley. Players should be wary of signing with Houston and etc.
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Post#319 » by K_chile22 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:27 pm

quatin wrote:
HankMoody69 wrote:Dmo retweeted this:
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Good one. Cliffs notes:

DMO was texting with Joel after failing Houston physical.

Said Houston promised not to trade him last year, then traded him to Detroit and he was insulted by it. He wanted out of Houston, but knew it was RFA and would "nut up" and play for Houston if no other option. DMO was happy with Nets offer, because of playing time and likely bonuses. Both DMO and Houston had issues with the matched contract. Houston didn't want the no-trade 2nd year, March 1st guarantee deadline and no extra physical test before money is guaranteed. DMO didn't like the bonuses, even if Houston matched the Nets bonuses, because of less playing time and likely bonuses becoming unlikely. I don't know who the other guy on the show is, but he said the players union is likely going to get involved and it was Morey doing DMO dirty by not matching the bonuses at all. Maybe it was a move to force DMO to renegotiate the matched contract, which eventually happened. Then he brought up Morey having a history of treating players too much like assets like Parsons and Barkley. Players should be wary of signing with Houston and etc.

I listened to it and I don't think they should be taken too seriously on their opinion parts of the broadcasts. They obviously have very little understanding of the CBA. The players union will not get involved and no one did anything dirty. The Rockets followed the rules that the players association negotiated for. Same thing happened to Batum when he signed with the wolves and the Blazers matched. He lost incentive money but he didn't hold out because his agent made sure he knew that could happen. Only reason. BJ and Dmo held out is because they had no idea they would lose that money on a match because BJ is incompetent
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Re: Rockets match Nets offer for Donuts 

Post#320 » by TMU » Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:30 pm

quatin wrote:
HankMoody69 wrote:Dmo retweeted this:
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Good one. Cliffs notes:

DMO was texting with Joel after failing Houston physical.

Said Houston promised not to trade him last year, then traded him to Detroit and he was insulted by it. He wanted out of Houston, but knew it was RFA and would "nut up" and play for Houston if no other option. DMO was happy with Nets offer, because of playing time and likely bonuses. Both DMO and Houston had issues with the matched contract. Houston didn't want the no-trade 2nd year, March 1st guarantee deadline and no extra physical test before money is guaranteed. DMO didn't like the bonuses, even if Houston matched the Nets bonuses, because of less playing time and likely bonuses becoming unlikely. I don't know who the other guy on the show is, but he said the players union is likely going to get involved and it was Morey doing DMO dirty by not matching the bonuses at all. Maybe it was a move to force DMO to renegotiate the matched contract, which eventually happened. Then he brought up Morey having a history of treating players too much like assets like Parsons and Barkley. Players should be wary of signing with Houston and etc.


Chandler Parsons? :lol: Those guys should check how good of a player he is.
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