Update: Motiejunas now a UFA as Rockets have released his rights

Post #241 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:27 am

TKainZero wrote:I'm glad the drama and nonsense has ended

Would not count on that.

TKainZero · Post #242 » by **TKainZero** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:34 am

HartfordWhalers wrote:
TKainZero wrote:I'm glad the drama and nonsense has ended

Would not count on that.

What else could possibly happen?
He signs with another's team... fails a physical...
Petitions the league to allow him to sign with the nets...

Actually. You are 100% right

This is not over. Just the chapter finished

Post #243 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:43 am

TKainZero wrote:
HartfordWhalers wrote:
TKainZero wrote:I'm glad the drama and nonsense has ended

Would not count on that.

What else could possibly happen?
He signs with another's team... fails a physical...
Petitions the league to allow him to sign with the nets...

Actually. You are 100% right

This is not over. Just the chapter finished

I mean the logic run of things is no other team offers a contract, because the guy just failed a physical. Players association is asked to file a grievance on his behalf against Houston.

Agent tries to get special league approval to allow the Nets to make an offer again. Nets meanwhile don't even want to make an offer, but also don't want to piss off the agent or the league so refuse to be a party to the arbitration and 'will see where it ends and take it from there' hoping it fails. It is already messy then, but gets even messier if they get permission for a Nets deal and the Nets refuse to give one.

Just generic messiness if the agent sees the writing on the wall, and demands that the Houston deal is reinstated.

BTW, for those wondering, LRMM had a super minor and very different version of this versus the Kings. They signed him (and he would have been perfect for their defense) last year. Then either a) noticed something dodgy in his physical that no one else did when he did a physical and opted out of the deal or b) decided they really needed a guard (iirc) and used the physical to void the guaranteed min contract and free a roster spot.

No public details came out as to the exact settlement, but despite getting a min contract with the CLippers LRMM still filed against the Kings and supposedly won.

All of which is to say there exists precedent for challenging the voiding of a deal over a physical -- and possibly even getting something in return. And that was without the whole weird Nets blocked thing.

Post #244 » by **jazzfan1971** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:52 am

Seems like being unrestricted is a better outcome than that deal he signed with NJ.

Post #245 » by **HartfordWhalers** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:56 am

jazzfan1971 wrote:Seems like being unrestricted is a better outcome than that deal he signed with NJ.

I'm taking the under on this. Failed physicals with Houston and Detroit. Had 8m guaranteed this year and 15m if not cut before March.

It was a lot of guaranteed money compared to what he has made so far. And if he is a break out stud and the 9m a year is a bargain, then it will still have to be a bargain more than he might lose this year and next year, and comes with the risk of an injury in the meantime (if not already).

DeRoma · Post #246 » by **DeRoma** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:00 am

Morey is an evil human being

LarsV8 · Post #247 » by **LarsV8** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:09 am

DeRoma wrote:Morey is an evil human being

How is that exactly?

Renouncing his rights was extremely generous.

DeRoma · Post #248 » by **DeRoma** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:11 am

LarsV8 wrote:
DeRoma wrote:Morey is an evil human being

How is that exactly?

Renouncing his rights was extremely generous.

You really think he would make money with that failed physical. This guy will probably guarantee 2mill this year with his whole contract unguaranteed.

LarsV8 · Post #249 » by **LarsV8** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:21 am

DeRoma wrote:You really think he would make money with that failed physical. This guy will probably guarantee 2mill this year with his whole contract unguaranteed.

That is his own damn fault.

If he would have shown up for his first physical, it doesn't matter, he could fail and then he is a Brooklyn Net, with 8+ guaranteed.

CptCrunch · Post #250 » by **CptCrunch** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:22 am

DeRoma wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:
DeRoma wrote:Morey is an evil human being

How is that exactly?

Renouncing his rights was extremely generous.

You really think he would make money with that failed physical. This guy will probably guarantee 2mill this year with his whole contract unguaranteed.

You are insinuating that Morey failed his physical out of spite. Remember how DMo to Detroit fell through last year because he failed the physical with Detroit?

Other than failing his physical, Morey has only matched his RFA offer, fully within his rights. Now he has fully waived him. Granting RFA UFA status seems extremely generous.

psman2 · Post #251 » by **psman2** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:22 am

DeRoma wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:
DeRoma wrote:Morey is an evil human being

How is that exactly?

Renouncing his rights was extremely generous.

You really think he would make money with that failed physical. This guy will probably guarantee 2mill this year with his whole contract unguaranteed.

So Morey is evil because team doctors failed his physical? That does not make any sense.

DMo and his agent overplayed their hand many times and this is what can happen when you do that. I am sad that this is how it turned out since DMo was one of my favorite players but in no way do I think Morey acted inappropriately in the negotiations.

YouTube · Post #252 » by **Kerrsed** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:26 am

Everyone keeps talking about all these failed physicals, but my question is what is really wrong with the kid? Multiple physicals in multiple years, is he really that bad off?

DeRoma · Post #253 » by **DeRoma** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:30 am

psman2 wrote:
DeRoma wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:
How is that exactly?

Renouncing his rights was extremely generous.

You really think he would make money with that failed physical. This guy will probably guarantee 2mill this year with his whole contract unguaranteed.

So Morey is evil because team doctors failed his physical? That does not make any sense.

DMo and his agent overplayed their hand many times and this is what can happen when you do that. I am sad that this is how it turned out since DMo was one of my favorite players but in no way do I think Morey acted inappropriately in the negotiations.

There are evidence on how he handles players in the past. There are more reason to believe that Morey is doing things behind the scenes than D-Mo just being really dumb in a span of a week.

DeRoma · Post #254 » by **DeRoma** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:32 am

paulbball wrote:
DeRoma wrote:
LarsV8 wrote:
How is that exactly?

Renouncing his rights was extremely generous.

You really think he would make money with that failed physical. This guy will probably guarantee 2mill this year with his whole contract unguaranteed.

You are insinuating that Morey failed his physical out of spite. Remember how DMo to Detroit fell through last year because he failed the physical with Detroit?

Other than failing his physical, Morey has only matched his RFA offer, fully within his rights. Now he has fully waived him. Granting RFA UFA status seems extremely generous.

That was last year when he had the back problem. Injuries heal.

Morey also did not match the BKN offer. He match what was legal to match. He left out 4 million dollars worth of money out or maybe more.

LarsV8 · Post #255 » by **LarsV8** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:33 am

DeRoma wrote:There are evidence on how he handles players in the past. There are more reason to believe that Morey is doing things behind the scenes than D-Mo just being really dumb in a span of a week.

Morey played this exactly how it is written in the book and how it is designed to work.

Dmo has multiple ways to protect himself, either by signing the QO, or SHOWING UP FOR YOUR DAMN PHYSICALS. This really is just a case of Dmo and BJ being stupid as ****.

CptCrunch · Post #256 » by **CptCrunch** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:39 am

DeRoma wrote:
paulbball wrote:
DeRoma wrote:You really think he would make money with that failed physical. This guy will probably guarantee 2mill this year with his whole contract unguaranteed.

You are insinuating that Morey failed his physical out of spite. Remember how DMo to Detroit fell through last year because he failed the physical with Detroit?

Other than failing his physical, Morey has only matched his RFA offer, fully within his rights. Now he has fully waived him. Granting RFA UFA status seems extremely generous.

That was last year when he had the back problem. Injuries heal.

Morey also did not match the BKN offer. He match what was legal to match. He left out 4 million dollars worth of money out or maybe more.

Maybe BJ shouldn't have asked Dmo to sign that super team friendly deal (half year guaranteed with 3.5 years of team options) with extra favorable matching structure for the Rockets

K_chile22 · Post #257 » by **K_chile22** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:58 am

LoyalKing wrote:It doesn't look good for the HOU FO and Morey. If I'm a NBA player, I would only choose HOU if they overpay. In similar situation with a similar contract, I'd go somewhere else.

it seems like HOU only matched to retaliate D-Mo and his agent. I think this move will bite HOU in the *** in the future. The only selling card they have now is Harden.

This take is ridiculous

Post #258 » by **Smitty731** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:34 am

Early word is that Brooklyn has asked the NBA to review the situation and see if they can get an exception to be able to sign Motiejunas. The Player's Association is also rumored to be asking for a review. Not for any sort of punishment towards Houston, but to allow Motiejunas the most possible options.

This will continue to play out for a while yet.

LarsV8 · Post #259 » by **LarsV8** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 3:41 am

Don't see why the league should make an exception.

If Dmo did what he was supposed to and shown up for his physical, he would be a Net. Instead they tried to circumvent RFA rules. Why should they be rewarded for that?

K_chile22 · Post #260 » by **K_chile22** » Fri Dec 16, 2016 4:51 am

LarsV8 wrote:Don't see why the league should make an exception.

If Dmo did what he was supposed to and shown up for his physical, he would be a Net. Instead they tried to circumvent RFA rules. Why should they be rewarded for that?

This is kinda true but eh, who cares let him go where he wants