Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 6

[nate33]

Toney Douglas cut by the Griz. I haven't seen him play in ages, but his numbers in years when gets some burn are OK. TS% last year of .543, far better than Burke, Sato, Thornton, or McLellan this year. (Douglas worse this year, but only 107 minutes.) PER last year of 14.7.

I'd sign him at the vet min, cut House.

Yup. Or cut Burke.

At this point in his career, Toney Douglas is a slower version of Burke.

Statistically, he's equally as horrible as Burke on offense, but he appears to be a much better defender going by steals and DRtg.
http://bkref.com/tiny/UYCjG

His sample size is worthless though. Comparing Burke to last year's Douglas and Douglas is way better
http://bkref.com/tiny/4ZMq4

I suppose it's possible that Douglas' production has fallen off a cliff at age 30, but that's usually kind of young for such a dropoff. I haven't watched him play this year so I don't know first hand.

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Maybe Douglas is injured?

Or... no: maybe he just feels injured by these comparisons to Trey Burke.

[Ruzious]

Yup. Or cut Burke.

At this point in his career, Toney Douglas is a slower version of Burke.

Statistically, he's equally as horrible as Burke on offense, but he appears to be a much better defender going by steals and DRtg.
http://bkref.com/tiny/UYCjG

His sample size is worthless though. Comparing Burke to last year's Douglas and Douglas is way better
http://bkref.com/tiny/4ZMq4

I suppose it's possible that Douglas' production has fallen off a cliff at age 30, but that's usually kind of young for such a dropoff. I haven't watched him play this year so I don't know first hand.

C'mon nate, there's a reason Toney Douglas is on - and off - his 6th team in 5 seasons - he's a marginal NBA player. I doubt most players of his skill level typically play into their 30's. He was already a marginal NBA player, so he doesn't have to fall off a cliff to be a less than marginal NBA player.

We're really discussing Toney Douglas? Is Andre "Flash" Miller not available?

[nate33]

At this point in his career, Toney Douglas is a slower version of Burke.

Statistically, he's equally as horrible as Burke on offense, but he appears to be a much better defender going by steals and DRtg.
http://bkref.com/tiny/UYCjG

His sample size is worthless though. Comparing Burke to last year's Douglas and Douglas is way better
http://bkref.com/tiny/4ZMq4

I suppose it's possible that Douglas' production has fallen off a cliff at age 30, but that's usually kind of young for such a dropoff. I haven't watched him play this year so I don't know first hand.

C'mon nate, there's a reason Toney Douglas is on - and off - his 6th team in 5 seasons - he's a marginal NBA player. I doubt most players of his skill level typically play into their 30's. He was already a marginal NBA player, so he doesn't have to fall off a cliff to be a less than marginal NBA player.

We're really discussing Toney Douglas? Is Andre "Flash" Miller not available?

This is more of a referendum on Burke, not Douglas. I agree that Douglas is a marginal player - a guy good enough to stay in the league, but not good enough to establish a permanent home anywhere. I just don't think Burke is even that good.

I think Burke is going to be out of the league in 2 years. He'll sign somewhere next year on a vet minimum contract just because someone is going to take one last flyer on a former lotto pick. It won't work out and he'll be banished to the Euroleagues thereafter.

[Ruzious]

Nate - even if you're right, what would replacing Burke with Douglas do to the Wiz record?

[dobrojim]

Donatas Motiejunas?

Gotta be better than Nicholson (among others) right?

[nate33]

Nate - even if you're right, what would replacing Burke with Douglas do to the Wiz record?

Maybe a win or two - particularly if we get the Douglas of last season.

[nate33]

Donatas Motiejunas?

Gotta be better than Nicholson (among others) right?

I think he's still looking for a bigger, long term contract. If he'll sign for the vet-minimum, I'd surely take him, but I assume he'd rather play for a contender.

[Ruzious]

Nate - even if you're right, what would replacing Burke with Douglas do to the Wiz record?

Maybe a win or two - particularly if we get the Douglas of last season.

Well, let's track how Douglas does for the rest of the season.

[pcbothwel]

Donatas Motiejunas?

Gotta be better than Nicholson (among others) right?

I think he's still looking for a bigger, long term contract. If he'll sign for the vet-minimum, I'd surely take him, but I assume he'd rather play for a contender.

Nate,
If he wants to play this season then I doubt he gets a big contract. We still have the Room exception I believe. We can offer him a playoff run, Playing time, and open shots by playing with Wall and Beal.

[nate33]

Donatas Motiejunas?

Gotta be better than Nicholson (among others) right?

I think he's still looking for a bigger, long term contract. If he'll sign for the vet-minimum, I'd surely take him, but I assume he'd rather play for a contender.

Nate,
If he wants to play this season then I doubt he gets a big contract. We still have the Room exception I believe. We can offer him a playoff run, Playing time, and open shots by playing with Wall and Beal.

I forgot about the Room Exception. That might make some sense - if we're willing to take on the injury risk.

But the real problem is that we have a huge log jam at PF/C. We've got to find a way to trade Nicholson for an overpaid but hopefully somewhat useful guard/wing. I'd love to sign Donnie Mo and then trade Nicholson for Ish Smith.

[pcbothwel]

Yeah, Ish Smith or Wes Johnson would be great pickups for Nicholson, but I doubt it would happen

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Donatas Motiejunas?

Gotta be better than Nicholson (among others) right?

I think he's still looking for a bigger, long term contract. If he'll sign for the vet-minimum, I'd surely take him, but I assume he'd rather play for a contender.

He had a bigger offer -- from Brooklyn. Houston matched it; dropping out now means he'll be able to sign w/ the Nets -- or anybody, but if the Nets wanted him last week I'm guessing they probably might want him this week.

[Ruzious]

Really, the best thing to do with Nicholson is hire a new GM - who will buy him out - at least get a quarter back on the dollar - since Nicholson can double dip and sign another contract elsewhere.

Or just hire a new GM.

[nate33]

Really, the best thing to do with Nicholson is hire a new GM - who will buy him out - at least get a quarter back on the dollar - since Nicholson can double dip and sign another contract elsewhere.

Or just hire a new GM.

I don't think Nicholson is a lost cause yet. It's a long season, and he's a youngish player learning a new system. While I doubt he'll ever be "good", I don't see why he can't play at least as well as he did in Orlando last year for a stretch of time. And if he does, then we should look to trade him for an equally overpriced guard/wing who is hopefully at least playable. I certainly wouldn't make a panic move right now and dump him and be forced to eat that cap hit. Better to be patient and see if things look better in the future.

[Ruzious]

Yeah, I was mainly pointing to the need for a new GM.

[closg00]

The rich get richer, GSW's undrafted rookie Ian Clark.
www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/warriors-ian-clark-erupts-for-season-high-23-points-saturday/amp/

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I know a lot of people here would rather have him than Trey Burke!

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Read on Twitter

I know a lot of people here would rather have him than Trey Burke!

Pierre would have been nice, definitely worth taking a chance.

[gambitx777]

Why the **** do the mavs need another point guard. I wonder if we can snag JJ or Curry off them ?