Official Brett Brown thread

[Foshan]

1st round pick in the Saric trade?

We got our pick back, that i think would be an unprotected pick this year if we didn't have it?

[LongLiveHinkie]

I like how Hinkie supporters like yourself conveniently remove several of Hinkie's draft picks from consideration like Noel, Okafor, Saric, and MCW. Those are all of his draft picks too, the genius that he is...

Noel was a good pick, Saric was a good pick(and the trade to get him was also good... picked up a 1st rounder), Okafor was a bad pick, but who knows whether or not he was overruled by ownership, and the MCW pick was a good pick. I mean he won rookie of the year.

1st round pick in the Saric trade?

Got our 1st round pick back from Orlando that we gave up in the Bynum deal. To move back 2 spots. And Hinkie didn't even want Elfrid, but took him betting Orlando did. He bet right. It was a good move.

[the_process]

Noel was a good pick, Saric was a good pick(and the trade to get him was also good... picked up a 1st rounder), Okafor was a bad pick, but who knows whether or not he was overruled by ownership, and the MCW pick was a good pick. I mean he won rookie of the year.

1st round pick in the Saric trade?

Got our 1st round pick back from Orlando that we gave up in the Bynum deal. To move back 2 spots. And Hinkie didn't even want Elfrid, but took him betting Orlando did. He bet right. It was a good move.

It was an unbelievably ballsy move that was right on the money.

[SelfishPlayer]

Noel was a good pick, Saric was a good pick(and the trade to get him was also good... picked up a 1st rounder), Okafor was a bad pick, but who knows whether or not he was overruled by ownership, and the MCW pick was a good pick. I mean he won rookie of the year.

1st round pick in the Saric trade?

Got our 1st round pick back from Orlando that we gave up in the Bynum deal. To move back 2 spots. And Hinkie didn't even want Elfrid, but took him betting Orlando did. He bet right. It was a good move.

Sounds like two 2nd round picks according to that.

The first-round pick going from the Sixers to Magic is lottery-protected for two years, top-11 protected in yr 3, top-8 protected in yr 4.
If Magic don't get a first from Philly by 2016, they get two second-round picks, league source said.
http://www.libertyballers.com/2012/8/10/3233353/andrew-bynum-dwight-howard-iguodala-trade-first-round-pick-sixers-magic

[TTP]

You act as if Hinkie has a monopoly upon losing. What in the world would have made the Sixers a winner had any other bad GM came to town?

Not every GM would have taken Embiid because of his injury. He did. He got top value for MCW before the rest of the league figured out he sucked. He got a pick swap, Stauskas, and a 2019 1st for essentially free. We can speculate about what other GMs would have done all day. It's useless, because it is speculation. Hinkie did it, that's what we know. All we know are the facts and that is without Hinkie we don't have Embiid or Simmons. Bottom line.

And whoever we get with that Lakers and 2019 Kings pick is thanks to him too. oh, and the cap room.

I like how Hinkie supporters like yourself conveniently remove several of Hinkie's draft picks from consideration like Noel, Okafor, Saric, and MCW. Those are all of his draft picks too, the genius that he is...

Even if you didn't like the Noel pick, if he didn't trade Jrue (along with the other veterans) and draft a rookie that sat out all of 2013-14, we don't end up with the third pick to take Embiid (with an outside chance of making the playoffs and losing the pick entirely). Embiid is a direct result of Hinkie. It's extremely unlikely another GM comes in and puts us in position to draft third that year, let alone making the pick itself.

[Eyeamok]

Brett Brown is in control of the lineup. If Nerlens plays 1 minute it's because of Brett Brown. If Nerlens plays all 48 it's because of Brett Brown. Nerlens is criticizing his playing time. On all levels of basketball that's a shot at the head coach. Do you understand that?

I could be wrong but you probably don't understand that basketball played on the NBA level is not the same as basketball played in the gym or on at the college level. They look the same but they are very different games/businesses.

Most of the NBA coaches have bosses they answer to. Bosses that tell them to take their center and play him as a Power Forward so they can highlight another player and bosses that give coaches an impossible roster and say hey deal with this.

If you took the time to actually listen to the interview you would have heard Nerles say that the coach has a lot on his plate and "they" not "he" needs to figure this chit out. Who is the "they" he is talking about? Let me give you a clue, his father recently handed him a GM job for a basketball team in Philadelphia.

So when you say he is taking a shot at the head coach you are making it very simplistic. It's a shot at the organization and the way the team has been constructed. Do you understand that?

Unless you can prove that BC is controlling Brett Brown's lineups then everything that you said doesn't matter. Where's your source?

Brett Brown mentioned that Noel “missed everything,” being away from the team in the preseason and the start of the regular season to rehabilitate inflammation in his left knee.

“Twenty minutes before the game [Friday], I learned he was going to play,” Brown said. “He hasn’t been a part of us. I think this conversation goes to a higher level, a more real level in a few weeks when he actually had some practices.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244315/76ers-Take-Nerlens-Noel-Out-Of-Rotation

If the coach was making all of the decisions he would know if Noel was playing or not. Not 20 minutes before the game.

You are welcome.

[SelfishPlayer]

I could be wrong but you probably don't understand that basketball played on the NBA level is not the same as basketball played in the gym or on at the college level. They look the same but they are very different games/businesses.

Most of the NBA coaches have bosses they answer to. Bosses that tell them to take their center and play him as a Power Forward so they can highlight another player and bosses that give coaches an impossible roster and say hey deal with this.

If you took the time to actually listen to the interview you would have heard Nerles say that the coach has a lot on his plate and "they" not "he" needs to figure this chit out. Who is the "they" he is talking about? Let me give you a clue, his father recently handed him a GM job for a basketball team in Philadelphia.

So when you say he is taking a shot at the head coach you are making it very simplistic. It's a shot at the organization and the way the team has been constructed. Do you understand that?

Unless you can prove that BC is controlling Brett Brown's lineups then everything that you said doesn't matter. Where's your source?

Brett Brown mentioned that Noel “missed everything,” being away from the team in the preseason and the start of the regular season to rehabilitate inflammation in his left knee.

“Twenty minutes before the game [Friday], I learned he was going to play,” Brown said. “He hasn’t been a part of us. I think this conversation goes to a higher level, a more real level in a few weeks when he actually had some practices.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244315/76ers-Take-Nerlens-Noel-Out-Of-Rotation

If the coach was making all of the decisions he would know if Noel was playing or not. Not 20 minutes before the game.

You are welcome.

It still doesn't mean what you want it to mean. It looks like he learned from the medical staff that Noel was a go so he gave him 8 minutes. Noel bulked, now he isn't playing at all. If BC were in control of the lineups Noel wouldn't be sitting out entire games right now.

[the_process]

Or BC is a thin skinned nepotist who had a knee jerk reaction to being called out in the press and told BB to bench him.

Does somebody have the extensive list of times BB actually held somebody accountable?

[Eyeamok]

Unless you can prove that BC is controlling Brett Brown's lineups then everything that you said doesn't matter. Where's your source?

Brett Brown mentioned that Noel “missed everything,” being away from the team in the preseason and the start of the regular season to rehabilitate inflammation in his left knee.

“Twenty minutes before the game [Friday], I learned he was going to play,” Brown said. “He hasn’t been a part of us. I think this conversation goes to a higher level, a more real level in a few weeks when he actually had some practices.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244315/76ers-Take-Nerlens-Noel-Out-Of-Rotation

If the coach was making all of the decisions he would know if Noel was playing or not. Not 20 minutes before the game.

You are welcome.

It still doesn't mean what you want it to mean. It looks like he learned from the medical staff that Noel was a go so he gave him 8 minutes. Noel bulked, now he isn't playing at all. If BC were in control of the lineups Noel wouldn't be sitting out entire games right now.

The medical staff.

This is a multi-millon dollar organization and the head coach is only informed 20 minutes before a game that one of his best players is available. Even though they had played that Wednesday night and today is Friday Evening! That is some piss poor communication going on right there.

Why wouldn't Noel be sitting out entire games if BC was in charge?

JC was known as a no nonsense kind of GM/owner. If guys were trouble makers or not team players he had no problem shipping them out of town. Jason Kidd for example. Bryan is just doing what his father taught him to do.

"In overhauling his team, Colangelo said he considered salary-cap restrictions, players' contracts and ''personal circumstances surrounding players,'' a reference to Kidd's arrest on a domestic abuse charge in January 2001, as well as Cliff Robinson's arrest on charges of driving under the influence and possession of marijuana in February 2001."

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/23/sports/pro-basketball-colangelo-puts-perspective-on-the-kidd-trade.html

You are welcome.

[SelfishPlayer]

The medical staff.

This is a multi-millon dollar organization and the head coach is only informed 20 minutes before a game that one of his best players is available. Even though they had played that Wednesday night and today is Friday Evening! That is some piss poor communication going on right there.

The same medical staff that gave Noel and Bayless the okay to begin the season without surgery, although both eventually elected to get surgery...

[Eyeamok]

The medical staff.

This is a multi-millon dollar organization and the head coach is only informed 20 minutes before a game that one of his best players is available. Even though they had played that Wednesday night and today is Friday Evening! That is some piss poor communication going on right there.

The same medical staff that gave Noel and Bayless the okay to begin the season without surgery, although both eventually elected to get surgery...

Ok man....you know that statement does not really support your argument but OK.

[bedjawII]

Not every GM would have taken Embiid because of his injury. He did. He got top value for MCW before the rest of the league figured out he sucked. He got a pick swap, Stauskas, and a 2019 1st for essentially free. We can speculate about what other GMs would have done all day. It's useless, because it is speculation. Hinkie did it, that's what we know. All we know are the facts and that is without Hinkie we don't have Embiid or Simmons. Bottom line.

And whoever we get with that Lakers and 2019 Kings pick is thanks to him too. oh, and the cap room.

I like how Hinkie supporters like yourself conveniently remove several of Hinkie's draft picks from consideration like Noel, Okafor, Saric, and MCW. Those are all of his draft picks too, the genius that he is...

Even if you didn't like the Noel pick, if he didn't trade Jrue (along with the other veterans) and draft a rookie that sat out all of 2013-14, we don't end up with the third pick to take Embiid (with an outside chance of making the playoffs and losing the pick entirely). Embiid is a direct result of Hinkie. It's extremely unlikely another GM comes in and puts us in position to draft third that year, let alone making the pick itself.

Highly unlikely that any player drafted at #6 that year would have had enough impact to move their draft selection. I'll say that NN was a good pick. Up until now it wasn't a wasted pick. Where there other players picked after him that are better and keep it from being a great pick...yes. But drafting isn't a hit or miss transaction. There are degrees to how good a draft pick is. I wouldn't consider Okafor a bad pick. Was he the right pick or a great pick...no. But it is not a failed pick

[Negrodamus]

In the spirit of digging up old threads, what has gone quiet is the Brett Brown haters. Not that 8 games makes a coach, but does everyone still want to launch him out of a cannon?

[JojoSlimbiid]

In the spirit of digging up old threads, what has gone quiet is the Brett Brown haters. Not that 8 games makes a coach, but does everyone still want to launch him out of a cannon?

Personally when the season started I was on the wagon of giving Brett leeway until we can field a legit balanced roster. However during the season some of the inbound plays and late game execution has me annoyed and I kind of wanted him gone. After watching the season play out it's clear that while he does take some blame for the late game execution having extremely flawed players in those situations makes it hard to properly execute regardless of game plan.

So basically I'm on the give him a decent roster and then evaluate him which was my initial take in the first place.

[PhilasFinest]

Brett is doing a good job. The teams getting more comfortable playing together and with a more refined rotation (that does not involve 2 mismatched centers in it) and the talents of Embiid, we are winning basketball games. Its the beginning of January and we have already surpassed the win total of all of last season.

That is progress, despite our best player being on a minutes restriction and sitting on B2B, oh and our #1 overall pick out for the entire duration of this season so far.

Brown can coach. If our GM continues to add talented players on the roster & pieces that actually fit around them, I think BB can win us a lot of games.

[Ericb5]

I think he has been great since day one, and only ever considered the idea of his firing in the context of how the team would perform once we had legitimate talent.

He was the perfect coach for our situation, and he deserves the chance to prove whether or not he can bridge the gap from horrible to mediocre.

We will find out if he is the right coach to bridge the gap between a mediocre and good team once we get there.

I always thought it was ridiculous to evaluate his X's and O's given the players he had. It was like determining how good of a chess player someone is when they only have pawns.

I enjoy the fact that the world at large is catching up to what Embiid is, and I will enjoy it when the world at large catches up to Hinkie.

It seems that the only people that doubted Brown were Sixers fans, but I will enjoy them coming to realize what they have in him too.

Hiring Brett Brown was one of Hinkie's best moves.


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[Eyeamok]

Can someone please dig up a thread about the 76ers having a culture of losing. And how coach Brown and company are teaching the young players how to lose and ultimately be losers.

Thank you in advance.

[ratrac]

Can someone please dig up a thread about the 76ers having a culture of losing. And how coach Brown and company are teaching the young players how to lose and ultimately be losers.

Thank you in advance.

Which one?

[LongLiveHinkie]

Well during this thread the Sixers were losing games by the bucket loads and now they aren't. So of course things have changed.

Sports are a meritocracy. They get judged on results.

[Unbreakable99]

I still want Brett Brown fired but I'm happy the team looks better. I'll gladly say I'm wrong should the team continue to trend forward and plays better.