The Trade Thread, 2016-17 (2.0)

[Ericb5]

Lol. 76ers have given away a decade. That is a DECADE.

And, we think they are doing the right thing based on 25 games of Joel embiid. Lol.

They are losers and will never win.


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So much this, after all their tanking it's looking like they've finally landed someone in Embiid but the injury worry is real. Everyone else they've drafted haven't shown promising signs so far or they are constantly on the trade block ie Okafor/Noel.

It's a complete mess.

You guys don't know what you are talking about.

First off we are a third of the way through year 4, and not year 5. If you can't even get that right then you shouldn't be flaming us.

Plus Embiid was the FIRST pick of the tanking years. When you say that we finally got a good one from all of the tanking, it is again evidence that you don't know what you are talking about.

You are philosophically opposed to tanking and that is fine, but there is no arguing two points.

Embiid and Simmons are 2 of the top 5 talents(Simmons, Embiid, Towns, Davis, Giannis) to come into the league in the last 5 years, and they are both franchise type talents that are exactly the kinds of players that teams tank for, and Hinkie got them in 3 years starting from a major asset deficit where we didn't have our 2014 or 2017 first round picks anymore.

The Celtics have a lot of good players, but they won't contend until they get a star. With a little luck, we have two of them, and Embiid could be the best player in the league someday. Those of you who make any arguments against him other than the injury risk must not be following things very closely. Without the minutes restriction this year he would be averaging 20-10 and 3-4 blocks after a two year layoff. He has played less than 160 games of basketball in his entire life. He is a savant.

A few weeks ago there was a stat(not sure if it is still true today) that said that with Embiid on the floor we had the number one defense in the league, and with him off the floor we were dead last.

Plus Hinkie got the Lakers pick which is likely going to be in the top ten this season, and an unprotected 2019 pick from the Kings which will be the year after Cousins leaves in free agency.

Yeah, Noel and Okafor are probably going to need to be traded at a major discount, but getting Simmons and Embiid out of it was well worth it.

I think Ainge has done an amazing job with your team, and the Billy King trade was probably the best trade made in history, but if you guys didn't have all of the Brooklyn picks, where would you be right now? You would be where we were in the Iggy years, and that is no man's land in the NBA.

I have no problem with the Celtics or most of their fans, but if you are going to criticize another team you should at least know the facts, and the two guys that I quoted here clearly don't.





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[chrisab123]

Draft Fultz
Sign Hayward
Bring over Zizic
Trade one of Avery or Crowder for a big man

IT / Fultz
Avery / Brown
Hayward / *veteran SF*
Horford / Olynyk
*big man* / (Mickey/Zizic)

or

IT / Fultz
Hayward / Brown
Crowder / *veteran SF*
Horford / Olynyk
*big man* / (Mickey/Zizic)

Danny Ainge doesn't like bigs that can rebound so this is out.

[chrisab123]

And what if it's not Fultz and the #1 pick? What's plan B in this situation. I will say Plan A sounds pretty good but call me pessimist but I'd be shocked if we ever ended up with the #1 pick.

Ainge is honestly going to take who he feels is BPA. I believe he feels it's Joshua Jackson. A great defensive prospect that lacks shooting ability. Sooner or later this team is going to average 80 points per game scoring and allow 80 points per game defensively.

[Captain_Caveman]

Lol. 76ers have given away a decade. That is a DECADE.

And, we think they are doing the right thing based on 25 games of Joel embiid. Lol.

They are losers and will never win.


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So much this, after all their tanking it's looking like they've finally landed someone in Embiid but the injury worry is real. Everyone else they've drafted haven't shown promising signs so far or they are constantly on the trade block ie Okafor/Noel.

It's a complete mess.

You guys don't know what you are talking about.

First off we are a third of the way through year 4, and not year 5. If you can't even get that right then you shouldn't be flaming us.

Plus Embiid was the FIRST pick of the tanking years. When you say that we finally got a good one from all of the tanking, it is again evidence that you don't know what you are talking about.

You are philosophically opposed to tanking and that is fine, but there is no arguing two points.

Embiid and Simmons are 2 of the top 5 talents(Simmons, Embiid, Towns, Davis, Giannis) to come into the league in the last 5 years, and they are both franchise type talents that are exactly the kinds of players that teams tank for, and Hinkie got them in 3 years starting from a major asset deficit where we didn't have our 2014 or 2017 first round picks anymore.

The Celtics have a lot of good players, but they won't contend until they get a star. With a little luck, we have two of them, and Embiid could be the best player in the league someday. Those of you who make any arguments against him other than the injury risk must not be following things very closely. Without the minutes restriction this year he would be averaging 20-10 and 3-4 blocks after a two year layoff. He has played less than 160 games of basketball in his entire life. He is a savant.

A few weeks ago there was a stat(not sure if it is still true today) that said that with Embiid on the floor we had the number one defense in the league, and with him off the floor we were dead last.

Plus Hinkie got the Lakers pick which is likely going to be in the top ten this season, and an unprotected 2019 pick from the Kings which will be the year after Cousins leaves in free agency.

Yeah, Noel and Okafor are probably going to need to be traded at a major discount, but getting Simmons and Embiid out of it was well worth it.

I think Ainge has done an amazing job with your team, and the Billy King trade was probably the best trade made in history, but if you guys didn't have all of the Brooklyn picks, where would you be right now? You would be where we were in the Iggy years, and that is no man's land in the NBA.

I have no problem with the Celtics or most of their fans, but if you are going to criticize another team you should at least know the facts, and the two guys that I quoted here clearly don't.

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I actually kinda liked Hinkie's strategy to just go full tank. I feel like Presti did the same thing, and gets a lot of credit for doing so. In a league where contending, elite players and high draft position are all highly correlated, why not?

With that said, doesn't look to me like you got as fortunate as Presti did. Embiid a nice prospect whose injury red flags are only bigger now that he missed his first two seasons. 300lb 7-footers with feet problems are never a good thing, but I'm not his doctor, so who knows?

The rest of your prospects leave me underwhelmed. Way too early to judge them completely, but I'm not of the mind that Simmons is going to be all that, and I certainly don't take him over Wiggins. Noel is probably gone in a couple of months, and Okafor an is oafish stat-padder, IMO. Wouldn't surprise me if Saric ended up with the 2nd best career after Embiid, tbh.

As of right now, I don't see a future contender or even a path to one, with the major caveat that you should be adding another top 3 pick this summer. I like your future a lot more if you add Ball or Fultz.

I don't think you will be catching Boston any time soon, though. We will also be adding top picks via the Nets, and have a better ownership/front office/coaching situation.

[chrisab123]

Lol. 76ers have given away a decade. That is a DECADE.

And, we think they are doing the right thing based on 25 games of Joel embiid. Lol.

They are losers and will never win.


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So much this, after all their tanking it's looking like they've finally landed someone in Embiid but the injury worry is real. Everyone else they've drafted haven't shown promising signs so far or they are constantly on the trade block ie Okafor/Noel.

It's a complete mess.

You guys don't know what you are talking about.

First off we are a third of the way through year 4, and not year 5. If you can't even get that right then you shouldn't be flaming us.

Plus Embiid was the FIRST pick of the tanking years. When you say that we finally got a good one from all of the tanking, it is again evidence that you don't know what you are talking about.

You are philosophically opposed to tanking and that is fine, but there is no arguing two points.

Embiid and Simmons are 2 of the top 5 talents(Simmons, Embiid, Towns, Davis, Giannis) to come into the league in the last 5 years, and they are both franchise type talents that are exactly the kinds of players that teams tank for, and Hinkie got them in 3 years starting from a major asset deficit where we didn't have our 2014 or 2017 first round picks anymore.

The Celtics have a lot of good players, but they won't contend until they get a star. With a little luck, we have two of them, and Embiid could be the best player in the league someday. Those of you who make any arguments against him other than the injury risk must not be following things very closely. Without the minutes restriction this year he would be averaging 20-10 and 3-4 blocks after a two year layoff. He has played less than 160 games of basketball in his entire life. He is a savant.

A few weeks ago there was a stat(not sure if it is still true today) that said that with Embiid on the floor we had the number one defense in the league, and with him off the floor we were dead last.

Plus Hinkie got the Lakers pick which is likely going to be in the top ten this season, and an unprotected 2019 pick from the Kings which will be the year after Cousins leaves in free agency.

Yeah, Noel and Okafor are probably going to need to be traded at a major discount, but getting Simmons and Embiid out of it was well worth it.

I think Ainge has done an amazing job with your team, and the Billy King trade was probably the best trade made in history, but if you guys didn't have all of the Brooklyn picks, where would you be right now? You would be where we were in the Iggy years, and that is no man's land in the NBA.

I have no problem with the Celtics or most of their fans, but if you are going to criticize another team you should at least know the facts, and the two guys that I quoted here clearly don't.





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Embiid as a top 5 talent are we talking hype? If it's Hype then he's probably behind Ingram or Russell or Wiggins. But whatever he's a really good player. The problem with him is health. He looks like a monster when healthy but I would be scared **** to max him out. Simmons is fine. He would rate #1 in hype the last 5 years. The Sixers are however intent on debuting him next year. Hence is why you saw the 6-8 week time table suddenly change to whenever he's ready. What's a lost year anyways when you can use that lost year to get a future point guard.

To be fair I think Ainge has really screwed the pooch on drafts since 2008 although I'm starting to think Brown might work out somewhat.

[reload141]

Lol. 76ers have given away a decade. That is a DECADE.

And, we think they are doing the right thing based on 25 games of Joel embiid. Lol.

They are losers and will never win.


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So much this, after all their tanking it's looking like they've finally landed someone in Embiid but the injury worry is real. Everyone else they've drafted haven't shown promising signs so far or they are constantly on the trade block ie Okafor/Noel.

It's a complete mess.

You guys don't know what you are talking about.

First off we are a third of the way through year 4, and not year 5. If you can't even get that right then you shouldn't be flaming us.

Plus Embiid was the FIRST pick of the tanking years. When you say that we finally got a good one from all of the tanking, it is again evidence that you don't know what you are talking about.

You are philosophically opposed to tanking and that is fine, but there is no arguing two points.

Embiid and Simmons are 2 of the top 5 talents(Simmons, Embiid, Towns, Davis, Giannis) to come into the league in the last 5 years, and they are both franchise type talents that are exactly the kinds of players that teams tank for, and Hinkie got them in 3 years starting from a major asset deficit where we didn't have our 2014 or 2017 first round picks anymore.

The Celtics have a lot of good players, but they won't contend until they get a star. With a little luck, we have two of them, and Embiid could be the best player in the league someday. Those of you who make any arguments against him other than the injury risk must not be following things very closely. Without the minutes restriction this year he would be averaging 20-10 and 3-4 blocks after a two year layoff. He has played less than 160 games of basketball in his entire life. He is a savant.

A few weeks ago there was a stat(not sure if it is still true today) that said that with Embiid on the floor we had the number one defense in the league, and with him off the floor we were dead last.

Plus Hinkie got the Lakers pick which is likely going to be in the top ten this season, and an unprotected 2019 pick from the Kings which will be the year after Cousins leaves in free agency.

Yeah, Noel and Okafor are probably going to need to be traded at a major discount, but getting Simmons and Embiid out of it was well worth it.

I think Ainge has done an amazing job with your team, and the Billy King trade was probably the best trade made in history, but if you guys didn't have all of the Brooklyn picks, where would you be right now? You would be where we were in the Iggy years, and that is no man's land in the NBA.

I have no problem with the Celtics or most of their fans, but if you are going to criticize another team you should at least know the facts, and the two guys that I quoted here clearly don't.





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I respect your way of tanking to get elite talent, it's just a fact that it's only given you one elite prospect so far (Embiid) who yes while he was out 2 years and has little miles on his body has had SERIOUS foot injuries. Now during that time he hasn't been sitting on a couch for 2 years waiting to heal up, he's been studying and shooting and it really shows. IF he stays healthy he could very well be a cornerstone which I agree with.

But 3 others players in Okafor/Noel/Saric haven't really panned out at all, and as you stated will most likely be traded (Okafor/Noel)
At some point you have to be able to attract talent and staying at the bottom of the food chain for multiple years won't do that. I can't see any players wanting to go there to contend, Simmons I think will pan out and being Australian and knowing him personally I'm rooting for him and so excited to see him.

We will see who you draft this year but at some point the franchise needs to not only pay players but attract players and I stand by my point of the organization being a mess until proven otherwise.

[Celts17Pride]

Philly "elite" talent?

Interesting that no one in the league will give anything decent at all for Noel or Okafor.

Embiid and Simmons are the only talent on Philly and that's because Simmons hasn't played yet. Let's see what he does when he plays.

Not a lot going on for all those years of tanking

[claycarver]

I'm curious to see what it will take for the Philly's culture to change. Losing so many games for so long has to create problems for player development. I'd much rather have Brown fighting for minutes on a winning team stuck behind Jae Crowder than hand him developmental minutes on a losing team.

[darrendaye]

I don't think I've ever dissed the Sixers approach. It definitely is the pyscho fan win big or go home approach that many of us, myself included, have previously espoused we would take to rebuilding. We'll see what impact the "culture" has their future.

[Ericb5]

So much this, after all their tanking it's looking like they've finally landed someone in Embiid but the injury worry is real. Everyone else they've drafted haven't shown promising signs so far or they are constantly on the trade block ie Okafor/Noel.

It's a complete mess.

You guys don't know what you are talking about.

First off we are a third of the way through year 4, and not year 5. If you can't even get that right then you shouldn't be flaming us.

Plus Embiid was the FIRST pick of the tanking years. When you say that we finally got a good one from all of the tanking, it is again evidence that you don't know what you are talking about.

You are philosophically opposed to tanking and that is fine, but there is no arguing two points.

Embiid and Simmons are 2 of the top 5 talents(Simmons, Embiid, Towns, Davis, Giannis) to come into the league in the last 5 years, and they are both franchise type talents that are exactly the kinds of players that teams tank for, and Hinkie got them in 3 years starting from a major asset deficit where we didn't have our 2014 or 2017 first round picks anymore.

The Celtics have a lot of good players, but they won't contend until they get a star. With a little luck, we have two of them, and Embiid could be the best player in the league someday. Those of you who make any arguments against him other than the injury risk must not be following things very closely. Without the minutes restriction this year he would be averaging 20-10 and 3-4 blocks after a two year layoff. He has played less than 160 games of basketball in his entire life. He is a savant.

A few weeks ago there was a stat(not sure if it is still true today) that said that with Embiid on the floor we had the number one defense in the league, and with him off the floor we were dead last.

Plus Hinkie got the Lakers pick which is likely going to be in the top ten this season, and an unprotected 2019 pick from the Kings which will be the year after Cousins leaves in free agency.

Yeah, Noel and Okafor are probably going to need to be traded at a major discount, but getting Simmons and Embiid out of it was well worth it.

I think Ainge has done an amazing job with your team, and the Billy King trade was probably the best trade made in history, but if you guys didn't have all of the Brooklyn picks, where would you be right now? You would be where we were in the Iggy years, and that is no man's land in the NBA.

I have no problem with the Celtics or most of their fans, but if you are going to criticize another team you should at least know the facts, and the two guys that I quoted here clearly don't.

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I actually kinda liked Hinkie's strategy to just go full tank. I feel like Presti did the same thing, and gets a lot of credit for doing so. In a league where contending, elite players and high draft position are all highly correlated, why not?

With that said, doesn't look to me like you got as fortunate as Presti did. Embiid a nice prospect whose injury red flags are only bigger now that he missed his first two seasons. 300lb 7-footers with feet problems are never a good thing, but I'm not his doctor, so who knows?

The rest of your prospects leave me underwhelmed. Way too early to judge them completely, but I'm not of the mind that Simmons is going to be all that, and I certainly don't take him over Wiggins. Noel is probably gone in a couple of months, and Okafor an is oafish stat-padder, IMO. Wouldn't surprise me if Saric ended up with the 2nd best career after Embiid, tbh.

As of right now, I don't see a future contender or even a path to one, with the major caveat that you should be adding another top 3 pick this summer. I like your future a lot more if you add Ball or Fultz.

I don't think you will be catching Boston any time soon, though. We will also be adding top picks via the Nets, and have a better ownership/front office/coaching situation.

Embiid isn't 300 pounds. He is 275. Plus he is beyond a nice prospect. He is a true franchise player.

Presti got 3 superstars in consecutive years I think in Durant, Westbrook, and Harden. That is obviously the gold standard, and the ultimate hope.

We got Embiid, and Simmons with Okafor in between, who obviously isn't a superstar, but we have two more bites at the Apple this year in a terrific draft that happens to be heavy with the types of players that we need.

I don't have close to the confidence in Collangelo as I had in Hinkie, but Hinkie set him up so well that I think it will be hard for him to screw it up.


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[Andrew McCeltic]

Yeah honestly stop sh*tting on Philly - if Embiid stays healthy, god willing, he's their superstar - and tanking for a superstar - whether it was Towns or Wiggins or whoever - was the point of the lotto trawling. It worked. Once Embiid's minutes restriction lifts, he's good enough to make them a .500 team almost by himself. Anthony Davis, young Lebron, Tim Duncan, Shaq level. He's not killing on the boards, but he's scoring the ball, hitting 3's, and having a major defensive impact. That's what they were tanking for. Once you get a transcendent player, filling in around them is comparatively easier.

[Ericb5]

So much this, after all their tanking it's looking like they've finally landed someone in Embiid but the injury worry is real. Everyone else they've drafted haven't shown promising signs so far or they are constantly on the trade block ie Okafor/Noel.

It's a complete mess.

You guys don't know what you are talking about.

First off we are a third of the way through year 4, and not year 5. If you can't even get that right then you shouldn't be flaming us.

Plus Embiid was the FIRST pick of the tanking years. When you say that we finally got a good one from all of the tanking, it is again evidence that you don't know what you are talking about.

You are philosophically opposed to tanking and that is fine, but there is no arguing two points.

Embiid and Simmons are 2 of the top 5 talents(Simmons, Embiid, Towns, Davis, Giannis) to come into the league in the last 5 years, and they are both franchise type talents that are exactly the kinds of players that teams tank for, and Hinkie got them in 3 years starting from a major asset deficit where we didn't have our 2014 or 2017 first round picks anymore.

The Celtics have a lot of good players, but they won't contend until they get a star. With a little luck, we have two of them, and Embiid could be the best player in the league someday. Those of you who make any arguments against him other than the injury risk must not be following things very closely. Without the minutes restriction this year he would be averaging 20-10 and 3-4 blocks after a two year layoff. He has played less than 160 games of basketball in his entire life. He is a savant.

A few weeks ago there was a stat(not sure if it is still true today) that said that with Embiid on the floor we had the number one defense in the league, and with him off the floor we were dead last.

Plus Hinkie got the Lakers pick which is likely going to be in the top ten this season, and an unprotected 2019 pick from the Kings which will be the year after Cousins leaves in free agency.

Yeah, Noel and Okafor are probably going to need to be traded at a major discount, but getting Simmons and Embiid out of it was well worth it.

I think Ainge has done an amazing job with your team, and the Billy King trade was probably the best trade made in history, but if you guys didn't have all of the Brooklyn picks, where would you be right now? You would be where we were in the Iggy years, and that is no man's land in the NBA.

I have no problem with the Celtics or most of their fans, but if you are going to criticize another team you should at least know the facts, and the two guys that I quoted here clearly don't.





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Embiid as a top 5 talent are we talking hype? If it's Hype then he's probably behind Ingram or Russell or Wiggins. But whatever he's a really good player. The problem with him is health. He looks like a monster when healthy but I would be scared **** to max him out. Simmons is fine. He would rate #1 in hype the last 5 years. The Sixers are however intent on debuting him next year. Hence is why you saw the 6-8 week time table suddenly change to whenever he's ready. What's a lost year anyways when you can use that lost year to get a future point guard.

To be fair I think Ainge has really screwed the pooch on drafts since 2008 although I'm starting to think Brown might work out somewhat.

It is true of all teams fanbases including ours that we don't really know what is going on in other organizations. Simmons is not being held out for the year, and it was NEVER a possibility.

You had one stupid beat writer(the same discredited one that said Embiid broke his foot again) say that he talked to someone in the league that didn't think the Sixers would play him his year. It was purely opinion from someone outside of the organization.

His injury was NEVER 6-8 weeks. That would be the true best case scenario for an Avulsion fracture, but Simmons has a full Jones Fracture which is 12-16 weeks. He had his surgery on Oct 4th I think, and it will be 3 months next week.

He took the boot off just 2 weeks ago, but he will be back before the all star break.

I can't convince you that Embiid is a top 5 talent, but whatever. His game will do the talking, and if he stays healthy we will all see what he is. He still has a lot of rawness to his game, and his pathetic foul rate and Turnover rate are evidence of that, but outside of that he is putting up historic numbers right now, and if you watched the games you would see how he turns one of the worst teams in the league into a team that can compete with most everybody.

I've been a die hard Sixers fan for over 30 years, and he is the most talented player that we have had during that time, all things considered. He is Barkley and Iverson without the weaknesses of those guys. He is so much better than people realize. Plus he is a competitive fire breathing leader, with a goofy outgoing personality that makes everyone like him.

His minutes restriction is the killer.

Anyway, I know it is obnoxious for another team's fan to come to your board and say things like this. I was reading your board because you are one of the other teams that are follow a bit, and I am hoping that Okafor or Noel can find a home with the Celtics. A lot of Sixers fans hate the Celtics, but I don't. I hope you guys get a great player in this draft or next year, and we rekindle the old school rivalry.

I just felt like I needed to set the record straight on the guys that were talking BS about the Sixers. We haven't been tanking for a decade, and we aren't tanking anymore anyway. We tanked for 3 seasons, that probably would have been 2 if Embiid didn't require the second surgery.




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[Ericb5]

Philly "elite" talent?

Interesting that no one in the league will give anything decent at all for Noel or Okafor.

Embiid and Simmons are the only talent on Philly and that's because Simmons hasn't played yet. Let's see what he does when he plays.

Not a lot going on for all those years of tanking

Noel and Okafor aren't part of the core, and they obviously aren't elite talent, but Simmons and Embiid are, and they can be built around.


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[Ericb5]

I'm curious to see what it will take for the Philly's culture to change. Losing so many games for so long has to create problems for player development. I'd much rather have Brown fighting for minutes on a winning team stuck behind Jae Crowder than hand him developmental minutes on a losing team.

The culture thing is overrated.

We only have two players that have been here during the whole tank. Noel, who is likely to be traded, and Hollis Thompson who will eventually be cut.

Embiid and Simmons are the only guys that matter, and they just started here.

For all of Brett Brown's faults, he has kept this team together, and playing hard the whole time. There is no losing culture in the sense of players that are used to losing and therefore ok with it.


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[jfs1000d]

You guys don't know what you are talking about.

First off we are a third of the way through year 4, and not year 5. If you can't even get that right then you shouldn't be flaming us.

Plus Embiid was the FIRST pick of the tanking years. When you say that we finally got a good one from all of the tanking, it is again evidence that you don't know what you are talking about.

You are philosophically opposed to tanking and that is fine, but there is no arguing two points.

Embiid and Simmons are 2 of the top 5 talents(Simmons, Embiid, Towns, Davis, Giannis) to come into the league in the last 5 years, and they are both franchise type talents that are exactly the kinds of players that teams tank for, and Hinkie got them in 3 years starting from a major asset deficit where we didn't have our 2014 or 2017 first round picks anymore.

The Celtics have a lot of good players, but they won't contend until they get a star. With a little luck, we have two of them, and Embiid could be the best player in the league someday. Those of you who make any arguments against him other than the injury risk must not be following things very closely. Without the minutes restriction this year he would be averaging 20-10 and 3-4 blocks after a two year layoff. He has played less than 160 games of basketball in his entire life. He is a savant.

A few weeks ago there was a stat(not sure if it is still true today) that said that with Embiid on the floor we had the number one defense in the league, and with him off the floor we were dead last.

Plus Hinkie got the Lakers pick which is likely going to be in the top ten this season, and an unprotected 2019 pick from the Kings which will be the year after Cousins leaves in free agency.

Yeah, Noel and Okafor are probably going to need to be traded at a major discount, but getting Simmons and Embiid out of it was well worth it.

I think Ainge has done an amazing job with your team, and the Billy King trade was probably the best trade made in history, but if you guys didn't have all of the Brooklyn picks, where would you be right now? You would be where we were in the Iggy years, and that is no man's land in the NBA.

I have no problem with the Celtics or most of their fans, but if you are going to criticize another team you should at least know the facts, and the two guys that I quoted here clearly don't.

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I actually kinda liked Hinkie's strategy to just go full tank. I feel like Presti did the same thing, and gets a lot of credit for doing so. In a league where contending, elite players and high draft position are all highly correlated, why not?

With that said, doesn't look to me like you got as fortunate as Presti did. Embiid a nice prospect whose injury red flags are only bigger now that he missed his first two seasons. 300lb 7-footers with feet problems are never a good thing, but I'm not his doctor, so who knows?

The rest of your prospects leave me underwhelmed. Way too early to judge them completely, but I'm not of the mind that Simmons is going to be all that, and I certainly don't take him over Wiggins. Noel is probably gone in a couple of months, and Okafor an is oafish stat-padder, IMO. Wouldn't surprise me if Saric ended up with the 2nd best career after Embiid, tbh.

As of right now, I don't see a future contender or even a path to one, with the major caveat that you should be adding another top 3 pick this summer. I like your future a lot more if you add Ball or Fultz.

I don't think you will be catching Boston any time soon, though. We will also be adding top picks via the Nets, and have a better ownership/front office/coaching situation.

Embiid isn't 300 pounds. He is 275. Plus he is beyond a nice prospect. He is a true franchise player.

Presti got 3 superstars in consecutive years I think in Durant, Westbrook, and Harden. That is obviously the gold standard, and the ultimate hope.

We got Embiid, and Simmons with Okafor in between, who obviously isn't a superstar, but we have two more bites at the Apple this year in a terrific draft that happens to be heavy with the types of players that we need.

I don't have close to the confidence in Collangelo as I had in Hinkie, but Hinkie set him up so well that I think it will be hard for him to screw it up.


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Philly, you already screwed your window. You will get Noel and Okafor for pennies on the dollar. You drafted Okafor instead of Kristaps Porzingis. Why tank if you can't get the draft right? Who knows on Simmons and get ready to max Embiid after next season and no playoff berths. By this time in the OKC tank, they were a playoff team.

You wing 25 games this year. It's over. Time for another rebuild and strategy.

[Captain_Caveman]

I actually kinda liked Hinkie's strategy to just go full tank. I feel like Presti did the same thing, and gets a lot of credit for doing so. In a league where contending, elite players and high draft position are all highly correlated, why not?

With that said, doesn't look to me like you got as fortunate as Presti did. Embiid a nice prospect whose injury red flags are only bigger now that he missed his first two seasons. 300lb 7-footers with feet problems are never a good thing, but I'm not his doctor, so who knows?

The rest of your prospects leave me underwhelmed. Way too early to judge them completely, but I'm not of the mind that Simmons is going to be all that, and I certainly don't take him over Wiggins. Noel is probably gone in a couple of months, and Okafor an is oafish stat-padder, IMO. Wouldn't surprise me if Saric ended up with the 2nd best career after Embiid, tbh.

As of right now, I don't see a future contender or even a path to one, with the major caveat that you should be adding another top 3 pick this summer. I like your future a lot more if you add Ball or Fultz.

I don't think you will be catching Boston any time soon, though. We will also be adding top picks via the Nets, and have a better ownership/front office/coaching situation.

Embiid isn't 300 pounds. He is 275. Plus he is beyond a nice prospect. He is a true franchise player.

Presti got 3 superstars in consecutive years I think in Durant, Westbrook, and Harden. That is obviously the gold standard, and the ultimate hope.

We got Embiid, and Simmons with Okafor in between, who obviously isn't a superstar, but we have two more bites at the Apple this year in a terrific draft that happens to be heavy with the types of players that we need.

I don't have close to the confidence in Collangelo as I had in Hinkie, but Hinkie set him up so well that I think it will be hard for him to screw it up.


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Philly, you already screwed your window. You will get Noel and Okafor for pennies on the dollar. You drafted Okafor instead of Kristaps Porzingis. Why tank if you can't get the draft right? Who knows on Simmons and get ready to max Embiid after next season and no playoff berths. By this time in the OKC tank, they were a playoff team.

You wing 25 games this year. It's over. Time for another rebuild and strategy.

Their only saving grace is being in the high lottery again ahead of a strong draft.

[CelticsPride18]

Zeller, Amir , Memphis pick for Millsap and filler. I know people will think we will Hawks 2.0 but that's not the case we have a better backcourt and we would have 4 two way players in the Starting Lineup. Millsap would take the pressure of IT and Horford.

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So much this, after all their tanking it's looking like they've finally landed someone in Embiid but the injury worry is real. Everyone else they've drafted haven't shown promising signs so far or they are constantly on the trade block ie Okafor/Noel.

It's a complete mess.

You guys don't know what you are talking about.

First off we are a third of the way through year 4, and not year 5. If you can't even get that right then you shouldn't be flaming us.

Plus Embiid was the FIRST pick of the tanking years. When you say that we finally got a good one from all of the tanking, it is again evidence that you don't know what you are talking about.

You are philosophically opposed to tanking and that is fine, but there is no arguing two points.

Embiid and Simmons are 2 of the top 5 talents(Simmons, Embiid, Towns, Davis, Giannis) to come into the league in the last 5 years, and they are both franchise type talents that are exactly the kinds of players that teams tank for, and Hinkie got them in 3 years starting from a major asset deficit where we didn't have our 2014 or 2017 first round picks anymore.

The Celtics have a lot of good players, but they won't contend until they get a star. With a little luck, we have two of them, and Embiid could be the best player in the league someday. Those of you who make any arguments against him other than the injury risk must not be following things very closely. Without the minutes restriction this year he would be averaging 20-10 and 3-4 blocks after a two year layoff. He has played less than 160 games of basketball in his entire life. He is a savant.

A few weeks ago there was a stat(not sure if it is still true today) that said that with Embiid on the floor we had the number one defense in the league, and with him off the floor we were dead last.

Plus Hinkie got the Lakers pick which is likely going to be in the top ten this season, and an unprotected 2019 pick from the Kings which will be the year after Cousins leaves in free agency.

Yeah, Noel and Okafor are probably going to need to be traded at a major discount, but getting Simmons and Embiid out of it was well worth it.

I think Ainge has done an amazing job with your team, and the Billy King trade was probably the best trade made in history, but if you guys didn't have all of the Brooklyn picks, where would you be right now? You would be where we were in the Iggy years, and that is no man's land in the NBA.

I have no problem with the Celtics or most of their fans, but if you are going to criticize another team you should at least know the facts, and the two guys that I quoted here clearly don't.

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I actually kinda liked Hinkie's strategy to just go full tank. I feel like Presti did the same thing, and gets a lot of credit for doing so. In a league where contending, elite players and high draft position are all highly correlated, why not?

With that said, doesn't look to me like you got as fortunate as Presti did. Embiid a nice prospect whose injury red flags are only bigger now that he missed his first two seasons. 300lb 7-footers with feet problems are never a good thing, but I'm not his doctor, so who knows?

The rest of your prospects leave me underwhelmed. Way too early to judge them completely, but I'm not of the mind that Simmons is going to be all that, and I certainly don't take him over Wiggins. Noel is probably gone in a couple of months, and Okafor an is oafish stat-padder, IMO. Wouldn't surprise me if Saric ended up with the 2nd best career after Embiid, tbh.

As of right now, I don't see a future contender or even a path to one, with the major caveat that you should be adding another top 3 pick this summer. I like your future a lot more if you add Ball or Fultz.

I don't think you will be catching Boston any time soon, though. We will also be adding top picks via the Nets, and have a better ownership/front office/coaching situation.

Agreed, that schpiel is highly dependent on one's assessment of Simmons.

If we go back five years, absolutely no way does Simmons get an automatic bid to top 5 player (2012 or later) over established guys like Dray Green, Porzingis or Lillard. Add in guys like Gobert, Hood, Jokic, Russell etc it's not clear cut he's even top 10 until he can demonstrate it in the NBA.

[Darth Celtic]

You guys don't know what you are talking about.

First off we are a third of the way through year 4, and not year 5. If you can't even get that right then you shouldn't be flaming us.

Plus Embiid was the FIRST pick of the tanking years. When you say that we finally got a good one from all of the tanking, it is again evidence that you don't know what you are talking about.

You are philosophically opposed to tanking and that is fine, but there is no arguing two points.

Embiid and Simmons are 2 of the top 5 talents(Simmons, Embiid, Towns, Davis, Giannis) to come into the league in the last 5 years, and they are both franchise type talents that are exactly the kinds of players that teams tank for, and Hinkie got them in 3 years starting from a major asset deficit where we didn't have our 2014 or 2017 first round picks anymore.

The Celtics have a lot of good players, but they won't contend until they get a star. With a little luck, we have two of them, and Embiid could be the best player in the league someday. Those of you who make any arguments against him other than the injury risk must not be following things very closely. Without the minutes restriction this year he would be averaging 20-10 and 3-4 blocks after a two year layoff. He has played less than 160 games of basketball in his entire life. He is a savant.

A few weeks ago there was a stat(not sure if it is still true today) that said that with Embiid on the floor we had the number one defense in the league, and with him off the floor we were dead last.

Plus Hinkie got the Lakers pick which is likely going to be in the top ten this season, and an unprotected 2019 pick from the Kings which will be the year after Cousins leaves in free agency.

Yeah, Noel and Okafor are probably going to need to be traded at a major discount, but getting Simmons and Embiid out of it was well worth it.

I think Ainge has done an amazing job with your team, and the Billy King trade was probably the best trade made in history, but if you guys didn't have all of the Brooklyn picks, where would you be right now? You would be where we were in the Iggy years, and that is no man's land in the NBA.

I have no problem with the Celtics or most of their fans, but if you are going to criticize another team you should at least know the facts, and the two guys that I quoted here clearly don't.

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I actually kinda liked Hinkie's strategy to just go full tank. I feel like Presti did the same thing, and gets a lot of credit for doing so. In a league where contending, elite players and high draft position are all highly correlated, why not?

With that said, doesn't look to me like you got as fortunate as Presti did. Embiid a nice prospect whose injury red flags are only bigger now that he missed his first two seasons. 300lb 7-footers with feet problems are never a good thing, but I'm not his doctor, so who knows?

The rest of your prospects leave me underwhelmed. Way too early to judge them completely, but I'm not of the mind that Simmons is going to be all that, and I certainly don't take him over Wiggins. Noel is probably gone in a couple of months, and Okafor an is oafish stat-padder, IMO. Wouldn't surprise me if Saric ended up with the 2nd best career after Embiid, tbh.

As of right now, I don't see a future contender or even a path to one, with the major caveat that you should be adding another top 3 pick this summer. I like your future a lot more if you add Ball or Fultz.

I don't think you will be catching Boston any time soon, though. We will also be adding top picks via the Nets, and have a better ownership/front office/coaching situation.

Embiid isn't 300 pounds. He is 275. Plus he is beyond a nice prospect. He is a true franchise player.

Presti got 3 superstars in consecutive years I think in Durant, Westbrook, and Harden. That is obviously the gold standard, and the ultimate hope.

We got Embiid, and Simmons with Okafor in between, who obviously isn't a superstar, but we have two more bites at the Apple this year in a terrific draft that happens to be heavy with the types of players that we need.

I don't have close to the confidence in Collangelo as I had in Hinkie, but Hinkie set him up so well that I think it will be hard for him to screw it up.


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The gold standard is winning championships. Something the Thunder didn't and won't do, and something the sixers won't do either. So no, losing on purpose with a complete break down of your team has yet to work.

[SJR]

I'd love zach randolf on this team. He's pulling down 8 rebounds a game with a 29% drb%, he's mean as ****, and his contract is expiring. I have no idea what memphis would want for him or even if he is available at all.