Magic PG: So Let Me Get This Straight...

[CJackson]

Soooo..... how do I join team Hoodwinked?

Rub Sham's head three times while saying Abracadabra

[Icandoallthings]

all of this is still mindblowing me..
we were doing so well like wtffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff happened
it all started in the boston game, and we actually played well there too

It really was that game. I think reality set in that the team wasn't a contender. A mid-tier seed at best with Cle, Tor, and Bos being the clear top seeds. Knicks could have grabbed the 4 slot but I guess that wasn't enough? Then internal conflicts started. It's clear there's a division on the team.

People keep throwing that out there division on the team? Starters versus bench? Jennings versus starters? Players seem to get along outside of basketball. Rose over to Melos for turkey day ect.

There is no real conflict its nice to pretend there is so we can ignore the reality that this roster is trash. Look at how fragile it is, one player out we lose to anybody. We start 3 guys who are past their primes and who cost so much that we have very little depth. Nothing surprising here.
http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1485968&start=120#start_here
Even if you had seen this coming it doesn't make it suck any less fam.

[Sark]

Noah can be moved btw. You'd have to attach KOQ, Holiday, or Kuz to the trade, and someone will bite.

Kuz probably doesn't have enough value yet though.

[Oscirus]

LOL @ people thinking that Melo can be shamed into waving his NTC. He's not going to wave it but keep that fantasy alive if that makes you happy. Also even attempting to make him wave that NTC using mind games would be low rent and chase away free agents.

As for blaming hornacek, why not? We haven't won one game where a starter not named Noah didn't start. It's on the coach to make adjustments in these situations. It's on Hornacek to get this team on the same page.

[NOOB77]

To summarize:
The 3 playoff years was Melo playing 1 on 5, and carrying us.
The last 3 years is everyone else's fault. Melo has tried but can only carry so much.


Amirite?

Or like the other side is saying.

Those three years are because if everyone but Melo.
These last 3 years are only because of Melo.

Amirite?


Did I do it right

[blueNorange]

Get rid of everyone. Including KP.

nope, sorry

hernangomez, kristaps, lee, holiday, and TOP DRAFT are the core.

Lee is 31. I'd trade him. I'd rather keep Kuz at 27 years of age. Also O'quinn.

But the others yeah I agree.

forgot kuz and o'quinn, lee can stay ... he's not dumb.

[blueNorange]

So the 18 plus blown layups, passes that got fumbled that would of led to layups and bad passes that blew potetnk layups were fine? Your PG going 1 on 2 at the rim is fine. But the ISO play is where Jeff gets pissed? After all the ISO plays this guy has called this season?

How about you don't start this team behind the 8 ball to being with? You're already playing 4 on 5 with Noah out there. So you compound it by playing LFT who's been pretty terrible all year?

And if you're so upset by the defense, why don't you start the guy who's probably been your best perimeter defender in Holiday? You know, so when he makes a good play on defense it isn't wasted on the 2nd unit who are lost on offense most nights?

During this losing streak Jeff has started 2 guys who have been missing from the rotation during almost all our W's.

Nah. It's on #7 for that

#7 has had a terrible season and not once have you admit to it. there's been nothing positive from melo this season.

he's playing the same way when he wanted d'antoni fired.

[Riot Randolph]

So the 18 plus blown layups, passes that got fumbled that would of led to layups and bad passes that blew potetnk layups were fine? Your PG going 1 on 2 at the rim is fine. But the ISO play is where Jeff gets pissed? After all the ISO plays this guy has called this season?

How about you don't start this team behind the 8 ball to being with? You're already playing 4 on 5 with Noah out there. So you compound it by playing LFT who's been pretty terrible all year?

And if you're so upset by the defense, why don't you start the guy who's probably been your best perimeter defender in Holiday? You know, so when he makes a good play on defense it isn't wasted on the 2nd unit who are lost on offense most nights?

During this losing streak Jeff has started 2 guys who have been missing from the rotation during almost all our W's.

Nah. It's on #7 for that

#7 has had a terrible season and not once have you admit to it. there's been nothing positive from melo this season.

he's playing the same way when he wanted d'antoni fired.

bno I hate admitting it but you're right...

[dakomish23]

To summarize:
The 3 playoff years was Melo playing 1 on 5, and carrying us.
The last 3 years is everyone else's fault. Melo has tried but can only carry so much.


Amirite?

Or like the other side is saying.

Those three years are because if everyone but Melo.
These last 3 years are only because of Melo.

Amirite?


Did I do it right

Well f'n played

And you are absolutely right on that mindset

[Capn'O]

I'd be careful with that metaphor. Dr. Claw never won and the Knicks never rebuild.

[blueNorange]

Jeff has lost the team today. Because Jeff just basically told everyone in that locker room you guys suck at defense and its not due to lack of effort. You just suck. This is great for the tank but how do you come back from that? Because you basically put it all on your players and not your lack of preparation as a coach.

Tank! Tank! Tank!

jeff didn't lose the team, melo lost the team.

[MrProb]

Not gonna vote for Melo for the ASG, he doesn't deserve it at all, sad but true

[Kampuchea]

Not giving up on Melo after everything he has done for the Knicks. Let's get back on track, starting with the Bux.

[dakomish23]

So the 18 plus blown layups, passes that got fumbled that would of led to layups and bad passes that blew potetnk layups were fine? Your PG going 1 on 2 at the rim is fine. But the ISO play is where Jeff gets pissed? After all the ISO plays this guy has called this season?

How about you don't start this team behind the 8 ball to being with? You're already playing 4 on 5 with Noah out there. So you compound it by playing LFT who's been pretty terrible all year?

And if you're so upset by the defense, why don't you start the guy who's probably been your best perimeter defender in Holiday? You know, so when he makes a good play on defense it isn't wasted on the 2nd unit who are lost on offense most nights?

During this losing streak Jeff has started 2 guys who have been missing from the rotation during almost all our W's.

Nah. It's on #7 for that

#7 has had a terrible season and not once have you admit to it. there's been nothing positive from melo this season.

he's playing the same way when he wanted d'antoni fired.

False.

I said he's far from an all star and I've called out his poor play many times. Even last game thread I said he played terrible. Go to the PHX game thread. Go to the first f'n game thread of the year. Melo had it going early and I said I don't like all this ISO **** even if it's going in. It's not just when he plays bad. A bad shot I'll say it. Today he came down the court and did some crossover and chucked it and I said it's a terrible shot.

I just don't have an unfair bias against him so I don't blame everything on him. I look at all the guys who do dumb ****.

You guys ignore all the games he's done well and only focus on the bad. Whatever makes you a happy fan

[Sark]

To summarize:
The 3 playoff years was Melo playing 1 on 5, and carrying us.
The last 3 years is everyone else's fault. Melo has tried but can only carry so much.


Amirite?

Or like the other side is saying.

Those three years are because if everyone but Melo.
These last 3 years are only because of Melo.

Amirite?


Did I do it right

Obviously the middle is the closest to the truth. Melo definitely helped us make the playoffs. He was a very good player in his 20s. He was top 10, and maybe even top 5 in the league.

He's now a shell of his former self, and thinking he will ever regain his abilities is foolish. Age doesn't work that way. It works the opposite.

It's time for him to realize that, and figure out how to close out his career in a winning environment, rather than stay on a team in obvious need of a rebuild.

[blueNorange]

To summarize:
The 3 playoff years was Melo playing 1 on 5, and carrying us.
The last 3 years is everyone else's fault. Melo has tried but can only carry so much.


Amirite?

[blueNorange]

So the 18 plus blown layups, passes that got fumbled that would of led to layups and bad passes that blew potetnk layups were fine? Your PG going 1 on 2 at the rim is fine. But the ISO play is where Jeff gets pissed? After all the ISO plays this guy has called this season?

How about you don't start this team behind the 8 ball to being with? You're already playing 4 on 5 with Noah out there. So you compound it by playing LFT who's been pretty terrible all year?

And if you're so upset by the defense, why don't you start the guy who's probably been your best perimeter defender in Holiday? You know, so when he makes a good play on defense it isn't wasted on the 2nd unit who are lost on offense most nights?

During this losing streak Jeff has started 2 guys who have been missing from the rotation during almost all our W's.

Nah. It's on #7 for that

#7 has had a terrible season and not once have you admit to it. there's been nothing positive from melo this season.

he's playing the same way when he wanted d'antoni fired.

bno I hate admitting it but you're right...

i don't want to be.

[TankCommander17]

Jeff has lost the team today. Because Jeff just basically told everyone in that locker room you guys suck at defense and its not due to lack of effort. You just suck. This is great for the tank but how do you come back from that? Because you basically put it all on your players and not your lack of preparation as a coach.

Tank! Tank! Tank!

jeff didn't lose the team, melo lost the team.

Melo never had this team to lose it. He has never been that type of player.

I just think Melo is a flawed player. He was just like Amare. In their primes their offense was so absurdly positive that you could over look the lack of defense. Now that he is a very inefficient scorer there is no positives in his game at the current moment. And it will just get worse. Hope he realizes this and goes to Boston maybe. I'd gladly take a pick and crowder.

[TankCommander17]

To summarize:
The 3 playoff years was Melo playing 1 on 5, and carrying us.
The last 3 years is everyone else's fault. Melo has tried but can only carry so much.


Amirite?

Or like the other side is saying.

Those three years are because if everyone but Melo.
These last 3 years are only because of Melo.

Amirite?


Did I do it right

Obviously the middle is the closest to the truth. Melo definitely helped us make the playoffs. He was a very good player in his 20s. He was top 10, and maybe even top 5 in the league.

He's now a shell of his former self, and thinking he will ever regain his abilities is foolish. Age doesn't work that way. It works the opposite.

It's time for him to realize that, and figure out how to close out his career in a winning environment, rather than stay on a team in obvious need of a rebuild.

Spot on good sir. Team tank is recruiting. We'd be happy to have you.

[Sark]

Or like the other side is saying.

Those three years are because if everyone but Melo.
These last 3 years are only because of Melo.

Amirite?


Did I do it right

Obviously the middle is the closest to the truth. Melo definitely helped us make the playoffs. He was a very good player in his 20s. He was top 10, and maybe even top 5 in the league.

He's now a shell of his former self, and thinking he will ever regain his abilities is foolish. Age doesn't work that way. It works the opposite.

It's time for him to realize that, and figure out how to close out his career in a winning environment, rather than stay on a team in obvious need of a rebuild.

Spot on good sir. Team tank is recruiting. We'd be happy to have you.

I've been on Team Tank since 2014

After Melo peaked in 2013, I knew there was only one way we'd go, and it certainly wasn't up.