Dennis Smith Jr

Post #81 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 11:33 am

He's the one guy in this class (since Giles got hurt) that has a chance to create a gap and secure himself as the #1 pick. His NBA potential is just freakish and if he can somehow pull off some victories in this super deep ACC and pull a tourney bid, that will be pretty damn good on his resume.

No-Man · Post #82 » by **No-Man** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 11:38 am

Duke4life831 wrote:He's the one guy in this class (since Giles got hurt) that has a chance to create a gap and secure himself as the #1 pick. His NBA potential is just freakish and if he can somehow pull off some victories in this super deep ACC and pull a tourney bid, that will be pretty damn good on his resume.

There are 3 guys that challenge Fultz, Jackson if he continues to show that he can be a fulltime Point-Forward and improves his shooting, Giles if he shows to be healthy and explosive, and adds something to his offensive game, like his passing, and DSJ if he shows to care a bit more on defense and rebounding.
All of them are unlikely to happen though, but I have more or less zeroed on a top5 of Fultz, Jackson, Smith, Tatum and Giles and I doubt anybody can challenge that.

BillyKingGM · Post #83 » by **BillyKingGM** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 2:22 pm

Fischella wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:He's the one guy in this class (since Giles got hurt) that has a chance to create a gap and secure himself as the #1 pick. His NBA potential is just freakish and if he can somehow pull off some victories in this super deep ACC and pull a tourney bid, that will be pretty damn good on his resume.

There are 3 guys that challenge Fultz, Jackson if he continues to show that he can be a fulltime Point-Forward and improves his shooting, Giles if he shows to be healthy and explosive, and adds something to his offensive game, like his passing, and DSJ if he shows to care a bit more on defense and rebounding.
All of them are unlikely to happen though, but I have more or less zeroed on a top5 of Fultz, Jackson, Smith, Tatum and Giles and I doubt anybody can challenge that.

I really think Ntilikina would be a better pick over Tatum, a few NBA GMs will probably feel that way as well. It all depends who gets that 4-5 pick. Ntilikina would go to Boston over Tatum, imo.

eagereyez · Post #84 » by **eagereyez** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 2:35 pm

Fischella wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:He's the one guy in this class (since Giles got hurt) that has a chance to create a gap and secure himself as the #1 pick. His NBA potential is just freakish and if he can somehow pull off some victories in this super deep ACC and pull a tourney bid, that will be pretty damn good on his resume.

There are 3 guys that challenge Fultz, Jackson if he continues to show that he can be a fulltime Point-Forward and improves his shooting, Giles if he shows to be healthy and explosive, and adds something to his offensive game, like his passing, and DSJ if he shows to care a bit more on defense and rebounding.
All of them are unlikely to happen though, but I have more or less zeroed on a top5 of Fultz, Jackson, Smith, Tatum and Giles and I doubt anybody can challenge that.

I kind of thought DSJ's shooting would come around seeing as how he was shooting 80% at the line. Fultz isn't a great defender himself, is DSJ really that bad?

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Post #85 » by **Marcus** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 2:38 pm

eagereyez wrote:
Fischella wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:He's the one guy in this class (since Giles got hurt) that has a chance to create a gap and secure himself as the #1 pick. His NBA potential is just freakish and if he can somehow pull off some victories in this super deep ACC and pull a tourney bid, that will be pretty damn good on his resume.

There are 3 guys that challenge Fultz, Jackson if he continues to show that he can be a fulltime Point-Forward and improves his shooting, Giles if he shows to be healthy and explosive, and adds something to his offensive game, like his passing, and DSJ if he shows to care a bit more on defense and rebounding.
All of them are unlikely to happen though, but I have more or less zeroed on a top5 of Fultz, Jackson, Smith, Tatum and Giles and I doubt anybody can challenge that.

I kind of thought DSJ's shooting would come around seeing as how he was shooting 80% at the line. Fultz isn't a great defender himself, is DSJ really that bad?

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Not a bad defender. Just lacks the effort at times. When locked in he's locked in. With the personal challenges he'll be presented with at the next level I expect to see a higher focus defensively.

eagereyez · Post #86 » by **eagereyez** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 2:45 pm

Marcus wrote:
eagereyez wrote:
Fischella wrote:There are 3 guys that challenge Fultz, Jackson if he continues to show that he can be a fulltime Point-Forward and improves his shooting, Giles if he shows to be healthy and explosive, and adds something to his offensive game, like his passing, and DSJ if he shows to care a bit more on defense and rebounding.
All of them are unlikely to happen though, but I have more or less zeroed on a top5 of Fultz, Jackson, Smith, Tatum and Giles and I doubt anybody can challenge that.

I kind of thought DSJ's shooting would come around seeing as how he was shooting 80% at the line. Fultz isn't a great defender himself, is DSJ really that bad?

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Not a bad defender. Just lacks the effort at times. When locked in he's locked in. With the personal challenges he'll be presented with at the next level I expect to see a higher focus defensively.

Well considering that a huge part of being good defensively is showing consistent effort, I'd feel comfortable calling him a bad defender. I don't know if he's gonna be more consistent because of that "alpha dog" killer mentality. Sounds like a load of you know what. Bad defenders in college are usually bad defenders in the NBA. Not like it's that important anyway. Not many PGs are positive contributors on defense.

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bigboi · Post #87 » by **bigboi** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 3:46 pm

Fischella wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:GMs love a couple of next level traits - athletic upside and alpha mentality.

I wonder if Smith can mount a case ahead of Fultz on those 2 differences.

Fultz have both of those as well, every bit of an athlete, esp if you count the length.

He isn't even close to DSJ in terms of athleticism. DSJ will be arguably the most athletic PG day one

bigboi · Post #88 » by **bigboi** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 3:58 pm

As long as this man doesn't go the 6ers or Celtics, it's chill. If he goes to the Heat, then something special is going to be brewing

Vesper · Post #89 » by **Vesper** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 3:59 pm

IF you compare Fultz vs DSJ.

FUltz has huge physical advantages even if DSJ is stronger and quicker.

Fultz's wingspan is 6'10 vs 6'3
Standing reach is 8'6 vs 8'1

DSJ will have to play the point, while Fultz has the options to play either guard positions. Don't see how DSJ beats out Fultz in the draft. However, with Washington sucking, it might help other players stock.

Post #90 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 6:37 pm

Vesper wrote:IF you compare Fultz vs DSJ.

FUltz has huge physical advantages even if DSJ is stronger and quicker.

Fultz's wingspan is 6'10 vs 6'3
Standing reach is 8'6 vs 8'1

DSJ will have to play the point, while Fultz has the options to play either guard positions. Don't see how DSJ beats out Fultz in the draft. However, with Washington sucking, it might help other players stock.

Chris Paul's measurements
6'1 w/shoes
6'4 wingspan
7'9 standing reach
9× all star, 8× All NBA Team (4× 1st team), 8× All Defensive team (6× 1st team), looked at as the best PG for the majority of his career

Stephen Curry's measurements
6'3 w/shoes
6'3 wingspan
8'1 standing reach
Champion, 2× MVP, 3× all star, 3× All NBA (2× 1st team)

I could keep going with guys like Lowry, Kyrie or even a smaller guy like Isaiah Thomas or we can go throw back to a few years ago to another 2× MVP in Steve Nash. Actually if you did a top 10 PGs playing right now I think 6 or 7 of the guys in the top 10 will have about equal measurements as DSJ. And some of the guys with more superior measurements like Westbrook or Lillard are bad defenders and that's where things like wingspan and standing reach is supposed to help them.

So long story short, DSJ's measurements aren't going to hold him back, he seems to have the same measurements as the average top tier PG. If all this shows anything, it shows measurements can be drastically overrated at the PG position, especially as long as you have an average measurements.

bigboi · Post #91 » by **bigboi** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 7:29 pm

Vesper wrote:IF you compare Fultz vs DSJ.

FUltz has huge physical advantages even if DSJ is stronger and quicker.

Fultz's wingspan is 6'10 vs 6'3
Standing reach is 8'6 vs 8'1

DSJ will have to play the point, while Fultz has the options to play either guard positions. Don't see how DSJ beats out Fultz in the draft. However, with Washington sucking, it might help other players stock.

Rofl, measurements literally only matter for defense and who cares about PG defense regardless. Unless you are an all lockdown like GP or a versatile like JKidd then PG defense is whatever. You just need to be an adequate defender. That being said, decision on who goes first will come strictly on offense between Fultz and Smith. GMs don't care about elite defense from their PG, pretty much none of the top PGs have elite defense except CP3 and that doesn't even have a crazy effect on the game

cksdayoff · Post #92 » by **cksdayoff** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 7:33 pm

Fultz is a very good athlete, and it makes him a bit better than very good with his length.

DSJ is an elite athlete. I just hope he has a good work ethic, so he can solidify his midrange.

Post #93 » by **Marcus** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 7:50 pm

Kid looked like he was back in HS getting to the cup whenever he wanted to against double and triple teams. Didn't make no damn sense how easy he made it all look.

Watch on YouTube

Post #94 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 7:59 pm

Marcus wrote:Kid looked like he was back in HS getting to the cup whenever he wanted to against double and triple teams. Didn't make no damn sense how easy he made it all look.

Watch on YouTube

And did this against a legit VT team that was ranked and just came off a spanking of Duke. I have a feeling DSJ is going to carry this NCST team to the tourney. He flat out toyed with a ranked ACC team last night.

cksdayoff · Post #95 » by **cksdayoff** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 8:01 pm

Marcus wrote:Kid looked like he was back in HS getting to the cup whenever he wanted to against double and triple teams. Didn't make no damn sense how easy he made it all look.

his body control is ridiculous.

CptCrunch · Post #96 » by **CptCrunch** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 8:23 pm

Composure and passing of Lowry, athleticism and handles of Francis. Watch the gif and tell me that this dude isn't going to be the best guard out of this class.

bulliedog8 · Post #97 » by **bulliedog8** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 9:09 pm

Marcus wrote:Kid looked like he was back in HS getting to the cup whenever he wanted to against double and triple teams. Didn't make no damn sense how easy he made it all look.

[youtube]YCUHKhywGJ8[youtube]

Some of the moves he did remind me of mvp rose. id take this dude 1 overall over ball fultz. Jackson would actually be my 2 behind DSj

bulliedog8 · Post #98 » by **bulliedog8** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 9:10 pm

paulbball wrote:[img]https://media.giphy.com/media/fstG3QF1U1EUU/giphy.gif[img]

Composure and passing of Lowry, athleticism and handles of Francis. Watch the gif and tell me that this dude isn't going to be the best guard out of this class.

jrob23 · Post #99 » by **jrob23** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 9:37 pm

Fischella wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:He's the one guy in this class (since Giles got hurt) that has a chance to create a gap and secure himself as the #1 pick. His NBA potential is just freakish and if he can somehow pull off some victories in this super deep ACC and pull a tourney bid, that will be pretty damn good on his resume.

There are 3 guys that challenge Fultz, Jackson if he continues to show that he can be a fulltime Point-Forward and improves his shooting, Giles if he shows to be healthy and explosive, and adds something to his offensive game, like his passing, and DSJ if he shows to care a bit more on defense and rebounding.
All of them are unlikely to happen though, but I have more or less zeroed on a top5 of Fultz, Jackson, Smith, Tatum and Giles and I doubt anybody can challenge that.

I agree but Ball instead of Jackson. Not that Jackson isn't elite, I just view Ball as a difference maker who can help a team win a championship some day as well. I'm pretty sure that your top 5 plus Ball is virtually everyone's top 6. That's the top tier for me. The 1a tier.

jrob23 · Post #100 » by **jrob23** » Thu Jan 5, 2017 9:48 pm

paulbball wrote:

Composure and passing of Lowry, athleticism and handles of Francis. Watch the gif and tell me that this dude isn't going to be the best guard out of this class.

It's still Fultz, Ball, Smith, Fox for me. But they are all in same tier. If 15 years from now we looked back and found that Fox had the best career it wouldn't surprise me all that much. Same goes for all of these kids. There's a real possibility that Smith leaps over Fultz though if Fultz doesn't take over a game against good opponents. Ball might erupt for a 30 point game and show detractors he can score and enter that conversation too. What a great draft class!