Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[SmartWentCrazy]

Man I love Butler, but he doesnt put us over the top. You cant give up youre prime assets for him, hes not enough.

You have to think long term. You have to keep Brown, ZIZIC and Nets 2017. Thats the only path to a dynasty in my opinion.

My best offer that I can come up with is...

1. NETS 2018.
2. Memphis 1st.
3. Avery Bradley.
4. Jae Crowder.

and I dont think the Bulls do that.

Is Griffin plus Fultz better than Jimmy Butler.YES.

Trading for Butler puts us 1 small move (read: Paul Milsap) away from being serious title contenders. Much better than being two big moves away.

[Valid]

Man I love Butler, but he doesnt put us over the top. You cant give up youre prime assets for him, hes not enough.

You have to think long term. You have to keep Brown, ZIZIC and Nets 2017. Thats the only path to a dynasty in my opinion.

My best offer that I can come up with is...

1. NETS 2018.
2. Memphis 1st.
3. Avery Bradley.
4. Jae Crowder.
5. Marcus Smart.

and I dont think the Bulls do that.

Is Griffin plus Fultz better than Jimmy Butler.YES.

You start this post by saying "you can't give up your prime assets for him," and then the offer you come up with is a drastic overpay. Lol. It likely would not take trading three guys who get regular minutes to snare Butler.

[Valid]

Man I love Butler, but he doesnt put us over the top. You cant give up youre prime assets for him, hes not enough.

You have to think long term. You have to keep Brown, ZIZIC and Nets 2017. Thats the only path to a dynasty in my opinion.

My best offer that I can come up with is...

1. NETS 2018.
2. Memphis 1st.
3. Avery Bradley.
4. Jae Crowder.

and I dont think the Bulls do that.

Is Griffin plus Fultz better than Jimmy Butler.YES.

Trading for Butler puts us 1 small move (read: Paul Milsap) away from being serious title contenders. Much better than being two big moves away.

Not to mention that we have no idea whether or not Griffin would want to sign here over the summer, he is always hurt and we don't have a clue how the heck Fultz is going to turn out.

So saying "Griffin plus Fultz is better than Jimmy Butler" is a really myopic viewpoint. (To be clear, I know you didn't say this. I'm just adding on to your reply.)

[jmr07019]

Can't afford to be outbid for the next superstar that hits the market. Overpay if we have to. I'd be willing to do Brown, 17 and 18 Brooklyn picks plus salary filler for Butler. Keep the win now pieces (IT, Smart, Crowder, Bradley, Horford). Get your 2nd big guy in FA (Griffin, Noel, Milsap, Ibaka) and you got 1 hell of a 7 man rotation. I don't think it's risky to bank on getting one of 4 guys to sign on with an IT Smart Bradley Crowder Butler Horford core and I think you have a very good chance (~40%) at landing Griffin.

We'd be about 9 million short of signing Griffin there. Would have to give up Bradley to keep the max slot. Could be workable money wise, but the ages there would keep me up at night and none of these guys are KG. Would also only have Smart left of the high upside crew.

I got IT, AB, Smart, Crowder, Butler and Horford at 73 million. Call it 4 mill more for cap holds and we're at 77. Cap at 102 means we could offer 25 / year and Griffin can get 35 / year I think. So ya you're right. Damn guess I gotta give up on that pipe dream.

Still we could offer someone a pretty sizable contract with that type of cap space. Or take out Brooklyn 18 pick from deal and add in one of Bradley or Crowder into the deal like you said.

I would roll with that team. Of course you want to find your KG but you could be waiting a loooooong time for that to happen. When you can put 2 1st or 2nd team all nba guys (Butler / Griffin) with another 20 ppg scorer (IT) and another 4x all star (Horford) I'm inclined to say eff it lets see what happens. Not sure waiting would produce a better result.

[165bows]

Brainstorming other teams' best Butler offers, for comparisons' sake (not listing anything that isn't a clear cut lotto pick worth of value):

Milwaukee: Parker
Orlando: Aaron Gordon, Hezonja/Peyton, Fournier, future Lakers pick
Washington: Beal
Lakers: Two of Ingram/Randle/Russell
MIN: Wiggins/Lavine
Portland: McCollum
Utah: Hood, Favors, Lyles
Edit: - Toronto: Val, Powell, eh, forget it.

[reload141]

Not sure if this would work but if the trade is something like Amir/Brown/Brooklyn 17/Memphis pick for Butler I would try and then pry Noel from Philly so have
IT/Bradley/Butler/Horford/Noel
Rozier/Smart/Crowder/Jerebko/Olynyk/

Then in the offseason would it be possible to renounce Olynyk, trade Crowder for a pick and don't take back any salary renounce Yabusele. How much would we have in space?

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Those fans are what we call clueless.

And why is that? Levine is a better ball handler and 3 point shooter than Wiggins. Both averaging virtually the same ppg this season.

Well, for starters, saying a 21 year old Wiggins is near his ceiling is crazy talk. And secondly, you don't move a 21 year old Wiggins for a soon to be 28 year old player who doesn't put you in a position to contend. You keep Wiggins, Lavine and Towns. Develop Dunn. And draft in the lottery again this year. That team shouldn't be in a rush. Too much potential here to get all Blly Kingish with it. Thibs needs to relax a bit.

Lol. The Wolves offered Dunn and Levine to Chicago at the draft. The Bulls insisted on Wiggins. Now that Levine has proven to be pretty damn close to Wiggins, the idea of the trade being revisited doesn't sound so far fetched, regardless of how bad it may be for the Twolves long term. Thibs is a maniac and wants to win now.

[Edug27]

And why is that? Levine is a better ball handler and 3 point shooter than Wiggins. Both averaging virtually the same ppg this season.

Well, for starters, saying a 21 year old Wiggins is near his ceiling is crazy talk. And secondly, you don't move a 21 year old Wiggins for a soon to be 28 year old player who doesn't put you in a position to contend. You keep Wiggins, Lavine and Towns. Develop Dunn. And draft in the lottery again this year. That team shouldn't be in a rush. Too much potential here to get all Blly Kingish with it. Thibs needs to relax a bit.

Lol. The Wolves offered Dunn and Levine to Chicago at the draft. The Bulls insisted on Wiggins. Now that Levine has proven to be pretty damn close to Wiggins, the idea of the trade being revisited doesn't sound so far fetched, regardless of how bad it may be for the Twolves long term. Thibs is a maniac and wants to win now.

I hear you. I'd just be shocked if they let Wiggins go. If Wiggins were on the table, Chicago owners would send a private jet to come pick up Butler as we speak. I personally don't think you mess with that Minny roster just yet.

[Asian Celtic]

Half of this board thought he was overrated last year.

Half of this board hates every good player that isn't AD. Butlers incredible.

Yup. I've wanted him for years. Really wanted to trade our pick for him last year but the Bulls FO are who they are (some old **** who will never escape Jordan's shadow until they resign). I like Brown a lot though, I'm over it, but the criticism of Butler last year on here was absurd. Some great posters were hating on him too.

Wouldn't it be great to keep Brown and instead send the BK17 + AB + filler?

That butler + brown connection might be something else. Imagine a Jaylen Brown with butler work ethic.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Half of this board hates every good player that isn't AD. Butlers incredible.

Yup. I've wanted him for years. Really wanted to trade our pick for him last year but the Bulls FO are who they are (some old **** who will never escape Jordan's shadow until they resign). I like Brown a lot though, I'm over it, but the criticism of Butler last year on here was absurd. Some great posters were hating on him too.

Wouldn't it be great to keep Brown and instead send the BK17 + AB + filler?

That butler + brown connection might be something else. Imagine a Jaylen Brown with butler work ethic.

If you want him, it's going to cost BKN17 and Brown, at a minimum.

[pasfru]

Half of this board hates every good player that isn't AD. Butlers incredible.

Yup. I've wanted him for years. Really wanted to trade our pick for him last year but the Bulls FO are who they are (some old **** who will never escape Jordan's shadow until they resign). I like Brown a lot though, I'm over it, but the criticism of Butler last year on here was absurd. Some great posters were hating on him too.

Wouldn't it be great to keep Brown and instead send the BK17 + AB + filler?

That butler + brown connection might be something else. Imagine a Jaylen Brown with butler work ethic.

We don't have to imagine.

http://nesn.com/2016/12/jimmy-butler-heaps-praise-on-jaylen-brown-admires-his-competitive-spirit/

Watch on YouTube

[Asian Celtic]

Everybody's talking on getting butler, then come trade deadline and we get Boogie or some random scrub off the street. SURPRISE! tadaaa~

[jfs1000d]

Anyone think Brad's shortening the rotation (and cutting Terry out) because of a lined up Rozier-trade?

Guess we'll find out on Jan. 15th, when Ainge can deal Zeller and Rozier for Bogut.

More that smart is our backup PG.


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[klemen4]

Brk 17, brk 18 and bradley...yes it looks to much, but

It/ smart
Butler / smart
Brown/crowder
Griffin??/crowder
Horford/zizic

All would depend on getting all star or near all star pf or c...but as someone mentioned: Griffin, milsap, ibaka, Noel...there are options in summer.

[pasfru]

Brk 17, brk 18 and bradley...yes it looks to much, but

It/ smart
Butler / smart
Brown/crowder
Griffin??/crowder
Horford/zizic

All would depend on getting all star or near all star pf or c...but as someone mentioned: Griffin, milsap, ibaka, Noel...there are options in summer.

How do you imagine Danny just pulls Blake out of his hat?

There is no chance in hell he leaves LA. Reasons as to do with money, the city and Doc.

[Asian Celtic]

I am up for keeping at least 1 of Brown / BK17. if both goes I don't want to pay the price for butler even though he's tearing it up this year. That cleveland team is too stacked and lebron not showing signs of slowing, let alone GSW. I can stay patient with our current core. Sorry Butler, I like you but you're on the wrong Timeline to be contending with.

by the way, hayward rumors suddenly lost when this butler report came out

[Celts17Pride]

First off this is a bunch of garbage. Chicago is not moving Butler. If by some chance there is any truth to the rumor then Chicago would be rebuilding.

The rebuilding Bulls would want Brown, Brooklyn 2017 and Brooklyn 2018, other picks and expiring contracts. They would probably have the Celtics take Robin Lopez also.

I could see the Bulls asking for

Brown, Amir, Zeller, Rozier, Brk 2017, Brk 2018, Bos 2019 for Butler and Lopez

[Asian Celtic]

Cleveland just got more 3 point firepower. Feeling more enthusiastic in contending with butler and selling the farm?

[BigSleep333]

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jfa7hs7

phi out: okafor, ilyasova, OKC 20
phi in: crowder,grant

chi out: butler, grant, zipser
chi in: BKN 17, BOS 18, OKC 20, okafor, brown, johnson

bos out: BKN 17, BOS 18, crowder, brown, johnson
bos in: butler, ilyasova, zipser

phi:

embiid/noel
simmons/saric/holmes
crowder/covington
henderson/stauskas/luwawu
sergio/grant/tj

why? solves logjam, frontcourt is set up for years with good defense players everywhere, even on the bench, except maybe saric and holmes...backcourt will be filled with our picks and FA. (let hendo, sergio and tj go)

chi:

okafor/lopez/felicio
gibson/johnson/portis
brown/mirotic/mcdermott
wade/valentine
rondo/mcw/canaan

why? finally their inevitable rebuild begins. okafor and brown are young prospects plus the bkn pick will get em a shot at a high level talent.

bos:

horford/olynyk/zeller
ilyasova/jerebko/mickey
butler/green/zipser
bradley/rozier/young
thomas/smart/jackson

why? win-now move..if you guys are high on johnson and low on ilyasova, philly just sends ilyasova to the bulls and you keep johnson

[Andrew McCeltic]

Brainstorming other teams' best Butler offers, for comparisons' sake (not listing anything that isn't a clear cut lotto pick worth of value):

Milwaukee: Parker
Orlando: Aaron Gordon, Hezonja/Peyton, Fournier, future Lakers pick
Washington: Beal
Lakers: Two of Ingram/Randle/Russell
MIN: Wiggins/Lavine
Portland: McCollum
Utah: Hood, Favors, Lyles
Edit: - Toronto: Val, Powell, eh, forget it.

Orlando, LA and Minnesota can outbid us, maybe Denver. Philadelphia, if they wanted Butler, if Chicago liked Okafor.

Korver trade signals Milsapp is gone, also pressures teams who want Milsapp to keep up with Cleveland - Boston, Toronto especially. If it doesn't collapse his market entirely (everyone plans for next year because the Cavs are that much better), it's shrewd.