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Banks2Pierce wrote:BleedGreen1989 wrote:Real question,
When will we trade Olynyk and is he worth anything more than a couple 2nds ala Tim Hardaway?
Didn't you suggest acquiring Ryan Anderson every other week last season? Having a lot of trouble reconciling this.
fallguy wrote:Valid wrote:BleedGreen1989 wrote:Real question,
When will we trade Olynyk and is he worth anything more than a couple 2nds ala Tim Hardaway?
Olynyk is a seven-footer who can spread the floor, handle the ball and pass the rock. He is also a very solid defender, contrary to popular belief around here.
The dude has more value than this board thinks.
Yeah, his D and passing are underrated while his shooting is increasingly overrated (now at 32.6% from the arc). He still draws defenders but he needs more makes. Single biggest frustration with him is anything he does off-the-bounce. I've never seen a 7-footer so eager to drive a closeout, dribble into the paint, turn his back and effectively kill his own advantage.
He's an important part of this year's team but I doubt he'll be back.
DarkAzcura wrote:fallguy wrote:Valid wrote:Olynyk is a seven-footer who can spread the floor, handle the ball and pass the rock. He is also a very solid defender, contrary to popular belief around here.
The dude has more value than this board thinks.
Yeah, his D and passing are underrated while his shooting is increasingly overrated (now at 32.6% from the arc). He still draws defenders but he needs more makes. Single biggest frustration with him is anything he does off-the-bounce. I've never seen a 7-footer so eager to drive a closeout, dribble into the paint, turn his back and effectively kill his own advantage.
He's an important part of this year's team but I doubt he'll be back.
He's coming off a shoulder surgery. He was up above 40% from 3 before the injury and was chosen for the 3PT contest.
Bradley's shooting was also dreadful in his first year back from shoulder surgery. It takes a season for a shooter to fully recover from something like that I guess. Love is another recent example of this.
Valid wrote:BleedGreen1989 wrote:Valid wrote:Olynyk is a seven-footer who can spread the floor, handle the ball and pass the rock. He is also a very solid defender, contrary to popular belief around here.
The dude has more value than this board thinks.
He also is a poor rebounder, not nearly aggressive enough to be a consistent option, and is set to get paid big time.
His value is lower than some on this board think.
You literally just listed one thing he is not so adept at, and it's rebounding. That's it.
Here's the thing, though: he is not being asked to be a rebounder. He is asked to spread the floor, hit some shots, make some passes and be in the right spots defensively. He does all of that.
He is value is not "lower than some on this board think."
Valid wrote:Gotta say, you were spot on about Olynyk all along. Kudos, sir.
DarkAzcura, too.
Banks2Pierce wrote:
The Nurkic name is an interesting one to be shopped. Had a monster rookie year defensively as a 20 year old, but had the injury last year and hasn't been great this year. Only on the books for $3m next season. Is Zizic looking good enough that you don't want to block him? Shopped doesn't always mean they're willing to accept a weak return. What position do they even want? At capacity for draft picks.
Banks2Pierce wrote:Valid wrote:Gotta say, you were spot on about Olynyk all along. Kudos, sir.
DarkAzcura, too.
Wish he hadn't done his shoulder. He's gotten really good at the defensive side, but it's clear his offense doesn't have the same pop as the stretch he had last season. I understand that his contract situation is a bit dicey, but trading him for a useless return makes no sense on multiple levels.
The Nurkic name is an interesting one to be shopped. Had a monster rookie year defensively as a 20 year old, but had the injury last year and hasn't been great this year. Only on the books for $3m next season. Is Zizic looking good enough that you don't want to block him? Shopped doesn't always mean they're willing to accept a weak return. What position do they even want? At capacity for draft picks.
Curmudgeon wrote:I would be on board with Olynyk and the Memphis first for Nurkic. I might even throw in a prospect, e.g. Demetrius Jackson or Abdul Nader.
Nurkic has serious flaws in his game but he's tough and physical, which is what this Celtics team needs.
BleedGreen1989 wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:I would be on board with Olynyk and the Memphis first for Nurkic. I might even throw in a prospect, e.g. Demetrius Jackson or Abdul Nader.
Nurkic has serious flaws in his game but he's tough and physical, which is what this Celtics team needs.
Aren't you concerned about blocking Zizic? I am.
BleedGreen1989 wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:I would be on board with Olynyk and the Memphis first for Nurkic. I might even throw in a prospect, e.g. Demetrius Jackson or Abdul Nader.
Nurkic has serious flaws in his game but he's tough and physical, which is what this Celtics team needs.
Aren't you concerned about blocking Zizic? I am.
darrendaye wrote:BleedGreen1989 wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:I would be on board with Olynyk and the Memphis first for Nurkic. I might even throw in a prospect, e.g. Demetrius Jackson or Abdul Nader.
Nurkic has serious flaws in his game but he's tough and physical, which is what this Celtics team needs.
Aren't you concerned about blocking Zizic? I am.
Nurkic was working on 3pt shots during his rehab, he also shot a bunch in juniors, albeit over only 5 games, and hit a good percentage. Question more is, are the Celtics willing to try another Sullinger experiment while they're in this position. I also think Zizic has a decent mid-range shot already. Not that you necessarily want to play them together, but, in this day and age, it's tough to have 2 exclusively low post centers taking up all of the minutes at the spot.
BleedGreen1989 wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:I would be on board with Olynyk and the Memphis first for Nurkic. I might even throw in a prospect, e.g. Demetrius Jackson or Abdul Nader.
Nurkic has serious flaws in his game but he's tough and physical, which is what this Celtics team needs.
Aren't you concerned about blocking Zizic? I am.
jfs1000d wrote:BleedGreen1989 wrote:Curmudgeon wrote:I would be on board with Olynyk and the Memphis first for Nurkic. I might even throw in a prospect, e.g. Demetrius Jackson or Abdul Nader.
Nurkic has serious flaws in his game but he's tough and physical, which is what this Celtics team needs.
Aren't you concerned about blocking Zizic? I am.
This is the deal, if Zizic can't beat out Nurkic then either Zizic isn't as good as we hoped, or Murkic is better than we hoped.
Competition never hurt anyone.
Homerclease wrote:jfs1000d wrote:BleedGreen1989 wrote:
Aren't you concerned about blocking Zizic? I am.
This is the deal, if Zizic can't beat out Nurkic then either Zizic isn't as good as we hoped, or Murkic is better than we hoped.
Competition never hurt anyone.
Not only that but who better to transition a guy like Zizic to the NBA then one of his own countrymen that plays the same position
Curmudgeon wrote:Every use of assets has an opportunity cost. If Zizic and Nurkic both succeed, you have a pleasant situation: two big boys (one from Bosnia, the other from Croatia) who have 12 hard fouls between them.
