Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[Asian Celtic]

Butler currently getting shut down by Roberson. 1 PT 29 minutes. Who'd you take? Roberson or smart? Of course smart.

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Shoutout to my guy Smitty again

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Keith Smith ‏@KeithSmithNBA

Far more teams are buyers vs sellers right now around the NBA. Only 4 games separate 8-15 in the West & only 4.5 separate 5-12 in the East.

Good news for our favorite sellers. Make a deal!

Are we a buyer or a seller? There are a lot of buyers, but they're stingy buyers - a ton of teams who would love to add Jimmy Butler, but not a lot who can get him without giving up so much that the trade is a wash.

Oh I was referring to Brooklyn.

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Mike Zarren also makes a huge difference...

Who hired Zarren?

[Writebloc]

Mike Zarren also makes a huge difference...

Who hired Zarren?

Ainge hired both Morey and Zarren.

[ddb]

Hypothetically we land #1. #1, BK18, JBrown, Bradley, Zizic, Memphis pick, Boston 2018 pick and Clippers pick for Davis and take Moore off their books too.

At least three different writers would independently come up with the idea of comparing that to the Herschel Walker trade.

2 completely different sports. In football you never go all in for a single player unless he is an absolute stud quarterback. You certainly don't go all in for an RB. You can't run without a quality O-line.
In hoops you have 5 guys on the court and it's a stars league. Stars play 35-42 mins out of 48. Stars anchor defenses and/or have the ball in their hands often.

Can't compare the 2. Plus we still have IT, Horford, Smart, Crowder and enough cash for Hayward in this scenario.

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AD with 40/18/2/3 going into the 4th against the Knicks... I know it's not realistic but damn with this guy we could legit contend.

He is going to be the best player in the world in about 2 years at age 25

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[Banks2Pierce]

Another thing that will offset some of this big money. Do not underestimate the power of Under Armor Adidas and Nike. Some of Durant going to GSW was driven with a marketing stand point. Fact is he would be able to get more revenue dollars for everyone involved in a market like San Francisco than Boston. All this CBA will do is make Nike pay these guys 500 million instead of 300 to control where they end up going.

The shoe thing had nothing much to do with it. Dray and Iggy got in his ear early, like over a year ago.

I think Durant's Nike money had a big part to do with leaving OKC. He left a good chunk of money on the table(as far as what we knew about the CBA at the time), but it was not a huge % of his overall portfolio because Nike earnings are just about on par with his NBA earnings. Don't think other guys like Cousins or Paul George have close to that same shoe $ coming in.

[chrisab123]

Another thing that will offset some of this big money. Do not underestimate the power of Under Armor Adidas and Nike. Some of Durant going to GSW was driven with a marketing stand point. Fact is he would be able to get more revenue dollars for everyone involved in a market like San Francisco than Boston. All this CBA will do is make Nike pay these guys 500 million instead of 300 to control where they end up going.

The shoe thing had nothing much to do with it. Dray and Iggy got in his ear early, like over a year ago.

I think Durant's Nike money had a big part to do with leaving OKC. He left a good chunk of money on the table(as far as what we knew about the CBA at the time), but it was not a huge % of his overall portfolio because Nike earnings are just about on par with his NBA earnings. Don't think other guys like Cousins or Paul George have close to that same shoe $ coming in.

Exactly. I don't think people fully grasp how much power Nike and Adidas have. The shoe companies and endorsement dollars are just going to have to come up with the new CBA.

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Parity is part of it, teams are going to start getting 'smart' because there are no obvious deals, and analytics can let you convince yourself of anything. Smart GMs will make great deals, and others will outsmart themselves.

Butler is one option. Another would be trading our Tony Delk and Rodney Rogers for someone else's Joe Johnson. Aaron Gordon, Hezonja, Exum are guys you could look at.

Just speculating - and you all can tell me why this must be wrong - that we may see different kinds of trades, especially involving stars. The days of having a clear script like the one we used to get KG, that everyone else imitated, including Morey for Harden, the Clippers for Chris Paul - where you stock up on young players, picks, mid-priced roleplayers - and cashed them in - may be over.

Sideways deals, salary dumps, trading stars without getting a KG package in return - star for star swaps because you think their guy fits your system better than your guy - none of that would surprise me.

we dont have a Rodgers or Delk. Our core guys are better then Rodgers & Delk ever were.

[Datruth345]

collection of random thought blurbs on the subject

I think stars will still get traded and agree with the 3 criteria laid out above for star players being traded

I also agree that with changes/tweaks to the CBA the league has been set up to draft and develop and then retain all your awesome players you have drafted and developed. Let us not forget however, that inept management (which will always exist) leads to disgruntled players and relationships change and sour and disgruntled players ask for trades. I think this historically is a pretty common theme and will continue to be. When players sign for all the extra money and stay put and then a few years down the line management fails to hold up their end of the bargain and produce a winning team, I think those players will still request trades.

I don't personally know anything about the guy but how much longer can Anthony Davis be held back by his own management and team before he wants to go somewhere and win? He is super young so maybe it will take a longer time, but I'm almost getting a weird KG career arc from Anthony Davis and the Pelicans.

[Captain_Caveman]

Another thing that will offset some of this big money. Do not underestimate the power of Under Armor Adidas and Nike. Some of Durant going to GSW was driven with a marketing stand point. Fact is he would be able to get more revenue dollars for everyone involved in a market like San Francisco than Boston. All this CBA will do is make Nike pay these guys 500 million instead of 300 to control where they end up going.

The shoe thing had nothing much to do with it. Dray and Iggy got in his ear early, like over a year ago.

I think Durant's Nike money had a big part to do with leaving OKC. He left a good chunk of money on the table(as far as what we knew about the CBA at the time), but it was not a huge % of his overall portfolio because Nike earnings are just about on par with his NBA earnings. Don't think other guys like Cousins or Paul George have close to that same shoe $ coming in.

It really didn't, though. He was already making that choice based on who he wanted to play with. Been telling you guys this on good authority for almost a year now.

The Nike meeting was probably just to assuage everyone's fear about the potential impacts of him joining a team whose MVP was an Under Armour guy. But not a primary motivating factor.

[SmartWentCrazy]

The shoe thing had nothing much to do with it. Dray and Iggy got in his ear early, like over a year ago.

I think Durant's Nike money had a big part to do with leaving OKC. He left a good chunk of money on the table(as far as what we knew about the CBA at the time), but it was not a huge % of his overall portfolio because Nike earnings are just about on par with his NBA earnings. Don't think other guys like Cousins or Paul George have close to that same shoe $ coming in.

It really didn't, though. He was already making that choice based on who he wanted to play with. Been telling you guys this on good authority for almost a year now.

The Nike meeting was probably just to assuage everyone's fear about the potential impacts of him joining a team whose MVP was an Under Armour guy. But not a primary motivating factor.

Nike was paying him $300 million, regardless. Kevin Durant is one of the best offensive players ever, so long as they had the rights to his likeness for the shoe, they were happy. Nike had and has minimal influence on Durant beyond his contractual obligations.

[Banks2Pierce]

It really didn't, though. He was already making that choice based on who he wanted to play with. Been telling you guys this on good authority for almost a year now.

The Nike meeting was probably just to assuage everyone's fear about the potential impacts of him joining a team whose MVP was an Under Armour guy. But not a primary motivating factor.

I think I'm not saying it clearly. He already had the Nike contract in hand likely before the Warriors were on his radar since it was signed in 2014. That assured money in the bank makes leaving the extra $50million or whatever on the table in OKC much easier to swallow.

[Iguodaladon]

I think they should implement some kind of rule into the CBA where you can only hand out 2 max contracts on the team. That'd make teams more careful about who they fork out the cash to and would also stop all these star clusters we keep getting like the Cavs and Golden State who each have at least 3 'max' worthy players. It'd definitely help the competitive balance of the league and also keep FA at least partly interesting, as with the new extension ability I don't see how rival teams will be able to poach any stars from FA anymore

[Edug27]

I think they should implement some kind of rule into the CBA where you can only hand out 2 max contracts on the team. That'd make teams more careful about who they fork out the cash to and would also stop all these star clusters we keep getting like the Cavs and Golden State who each have at least 3 'max' worthy players. It'd definitely help the competitive balance of the league and also keep FA at least partly interesting, as with the new extension ability I don't see how rival teams will be able to poach any stars from FA anymore

What about the teams like GS (pre-KD) that draft well. Hurts them.

[24istheLAW]

I think they should implement some kind of rule into the CBA where you can only hand out 2 max contracts on the team. That'd make teams more careful about who they fork out the cash to and would also stop all these star clusters we keep getting like the Cavs and Golden State who each have at least 3 'max' worthy players. It'd definitely help the competitive balance of the league and also keep FA at least partly interesting, as with the new extension ability I don't see how rival teams will be able to poach any stars from FA anymore

I think you are pointing out the symptom, rather than the cause, of the superteams.

The reason a contender can afford 3 max contracts is because there is a max. Kevin Durant isn't a $26.5M player on the market in this cap environment. LeBron James isn't even a $30M player on the market. By suppressing the wages of top players, the max contract is effectively a cap room exemption that only applies to teams with generational players... and in proportion to how generational they are exactly. EDIT: And the flipside is that the rest of the players must be bid on so the gap is bigger than the difference between the generation player's real value and actual salary.

Of course, the max is there for a reason - teams don't want the cost of players to spiral out of control under an actual competitive bidding process, and the NFLPA want to spread the money around as a service to the clients. But as long as there is a max contract, the Larry O'Brien trophy will be a 2 or 3 team race.

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I think Durant's Nike money had a big part to do with leaving OKC. He left a good chunk of money on the table(as far as what we knew about the CBA at the time), but it was not a huge % of his overall portfolio because Nike earnings are just about on par with his NBA earnings. Don't think other guys like Cousins or Paul George have close to that same shoe $ coming in.

It really didn't, though. He was already making that choice based on who he wanted to play with. Been telling you guys this on good authority for almost a year now.

The Nike meeting was probably just to assuage everyone's fear about the potential impacts of him joining a team whose MVP was an Under Armour guy. But not a primary motivating factor.

Nike was paying him $300 million, regardless. Kevin Durant is one of the best offensive players ever, so long as they had the rights to his likeness for the shoe, they were happy. Nike had and has minimal influence on Durant beyond his contractual obligations.

Actually as far as I've seen the shoe deals are substantially incentive-based as opposed to guaranteed money.

The GS guys can believe what they like but I find it hard to believe the company paying the nine figure salary didn't heavily weigh into the choice Durant made. It's been reported consistently after his decision that Nike wanted him there. The whisperings of Iggy/Dray aren't particularly alluring without Curry on top of Nike megabucks heavily tilting the scales towards an attractive destination.

[Captain_Caveman]

It really didn't, though. He was already making that choice based on who he wanted to play with. Been telling you guys this on good authority for almost a year now.

The Nike meeting was probably just to assuage everyone's fear about the potential impacts of him joining a team whose MVP was an Under Armour guy. But not a primary motivating factor.

I think I'm not saying it clearly. He already had the Nike contract in hand likely before the Warriors were on his radar since it was signed in 2014. That assured money in the bank makes leaving the extra $50million or whatever on the table in OKC much easier to swallow.

Right on, although I don't think that is how much it will be in the end. He gets more endorsement opportunities in a larger market, and while I am not looking at your math here, that "extra" money is often just an additional guaranteed year.

[Captain_Caveman]

It really didn't, though. He was already making that choice based on who he wanted to play with. Been telling you guys this on good authority for almost a year now.

The Nike meeting was probably just to assuage everyone's fear about the potential impacts of him joining a team whose MVP was an Under Armour guy. But not a primary motivating factor.

Nike was paying him $300 million, regardless. Kevin Durant is one of the best offensive players ever, so long as they had the rights to his likeness for the shoe, they were happy. Nike had and has minimal influence on Durant beyond his contractual obligations.

Actually as far as I've seen the shoe deals are substantially incentive-based as opposed to guaranteed money.

The GS guys can believe what they like but I find it hard to believe the company paying the nine figure salary didn't heavily weigh into the choice Durant made. It's been reported consistently after his decision that Nike wanted him there. The whisperings of Iggy/Dray aren't particularly alluring without Curry on top of Nike megabucks heavily tilting the scales towards an attractive destination.

I'd hope that I have earned enough credit to speak on this with some degree of authority by now.

[Bill Lumbergh]

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