2016-17 MVP Discussion Thread

djsunyc · Post #1541 » by **djsunyc** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:59 pm

d'antoni can take all stars and make them all time greats.

Gil · Post #1542 » by **Gil** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:00 pm

nbafan38 wrote:
Gil wrote:
red96 wrote:The Rockets pull ahead of the Cavs.

That's actually pretty sad.

The Cavs dont care about the regular season but honestly they should a little more because they aren't that far behind GSW and homecourt in the finals is huge.

Not surprising considering the East is always a cakewalk for LeBron.

Can't afford to take games off in the West.

Screwston · Post #1543 » by **Screwston** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:24 pm

djsunyc wrote:d'antoni can take all stars and make them all time greats.

Harden was great before Mike

Tritodian · Post #1544 » by **Tritodian** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:01 pm

djsunyc wrote:d'antoni can take all stars and make them all time greats.

Didn't happen with Kobe and Melo tho. Besides, two time 1st team all-nba and 14-15 MVP runner-up is more than just an "all-star" player.

MrCheerios · Post #1545 » by **MrCheerios** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:11 pm

nbafan38 wrote:
Gil wrote:
red96 wrote:The Rockets pull ahead of the Cavs.

That's actually pretty sad.

The Cavs dont care about the regular season but honestly they should a little more because they aren't that far behind GSW and homecourt in the finals is huge.

Didn't matter last year.

nbafan38 · Post #1546 » by **nbafan38** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:35 pm

MrCheerios wrote:
nbafan38 wrote:
Gil wrote:That's actually pretty sad.

The Cavs dont care about the regular season but honestly they should a little more because they aren't that far behind GSW and homecourt in the finals is huge.

Didn't matter last year.

Okay one game, go look at the history of game 7 winning percentage and tell me homecourt doesn't matter

djsunyc · Post #1547 » by **djsunyc** » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:23 pm

Tritodian wrote:
djsunyc wrote:d'antoni can take all stars and make them all time greats.

Didn't happen with Kobe and Melo tho. Besides, two time 1st team all-nba and 14-15 MVP runner-up is more than just an "all-star" player.

that's true - i should clarify - d'antoni can take all-stars that can play a team game into all time greats.

SkyHookFTW · Post #1548 » by **SkyHookFTW** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 2:47 am

T.J. McConnell 5-1 as Sixers starting point guard. MVP lite!

Gibson22 · Post #1549 » by **Gibson22** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 11:22 am

Okay. Harden distance rw distance lbj and kd tied

mtron929 · Post #1550 » by **mtron929** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:27 pm

Goodfellaz wrote:Harden - back to back 40 point triple doubles... record now 31-9.... cleveland after tonight 28-9.... and people have the nerve to say lebron is the mvp.... oh god.

One can still make a legitimate case for Lebron as the MVP if we define the award to be the best player in the NBA. And that is my definition of the MVP, so I still think it's Lebron > Harden.

nbafan38 · Post #1551 » by **nbafan38** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:18 pm

Westbrook plays 8 of the next 9 on the road against some really tough teams, if Westbrook wants to get attention and make up ground on Harden this would be a chance to really do it.

red96 · Post #1552 » by **red96** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:19 pm

mtron929 wrote:
Goodfellaz wrote:Harden - back to back 40 point triple doubles... record now 31-9.... cleveland after tonight 28-9.... and people have the nerve to say lebron is the mvp.... oh god.

One can still make a legitimate case for Lebron as the MVP if we define the award to be the best player in the NBA. And that is my definition of the MVP, so I still think it's Lebron > Harden.

Everyone already has their opinion on who they feel is the most talented player in the league, but ask yourself, what makes Lebron the best player in the NBA THIS YEAR? Your basing it more on resume and reputation. If you look at what's going on this year alone(as everyone should), Harden has put up more impressive stats, and has lead far lesser talent to a better record than Lebrons team. Like I said, besides pre-set favoritism, Lebron doesn't have many strong arguments for MVP over Harden based on what's going on THIS YEAR.

nbafan38 · Post #1553 » by **nbafan38** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:19 pm

mtron929 wrote:
Goodfellaz wrote:Harden - back to back 40 point triple doubles... record now 31-9.... cleveland after tonight 28-9.... and people have the nerve to say lebron is the mvp.... oh god.

One can still make a legitimate case for Lebron as the MVP if we define the award to be the best player in the NBA. And that is my definition of the MVP, so I still think it's Lebron > Harden.

Thats fair and I can respect that but personally I think just giving it to the best player every year is boring and I'd rather give it to the player who had the most impact during the regular season of that given season and in this case it's clearly Harden right now.

mtron929 · Post #1554 » by **mtron929** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:48 pm

red96 wrote:
mtron929 wrote:
Goodfellaz wrote:Harden - back to back 40 point triple doubles... record now 31-9.... cleveland after tonight 28-9.... and people have the nerve to say lebron is the mvp.... oh god.

One can still make a legitimate case for Lebron as the MVP if we define the award to be the best player in the NBA. And that is my definition of the MVP, so I still think it's Lebron > Harden.
Everyone already has their opinion on who they feel is the most talented player in the league, but ask yourself, what makes Lebron the best player in the NBA THIS YEAR? Your basing it more on resume and reputation. If you look at what's going on this year alone(as everyone should), Harden has put up more impressive stats, and has lead far lesser talent to a better record than Lebrons team. Like I said, besides pre-set favoritism, Lebron doesn't have many strong arguments for MVP over Harden based on what's going on THIS YEAR.

Admittedly, my way of doing it might overrate someone who might be declining as I would give that player (in this case, Lebron), a benefit of a doubt. But I would rather prefer that as opposed to rewarding players who just are not the best players (e.g. Rose in 2011).

mtron929 · Post #1555 » by **mtron929** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:51 pm

nbafan38 wrote:
mtron929 wrote:
Goodfellaz wrote:Harden - back to back 40 point triple doubles... record now 31-9.... cleveland after tonight 28-9.... and people have the nerve to say lebron is the mvp.... oh god.

One can still make a legitimate case for Lebron as the MVP if we define the award to be the best player in the NBA. And that is my definition of the MVP, so I still think it's Lebron > Harden.

Thats fair and I can respect that but personally I think just giving it to the best player every year is boring and I'd rather give it to the player who had the most impact during the regular season of that given season and in this case it's clearly Harden right now.

Well, the process need not be fun. I am just a big fan of rewarding the best their due. Also, I think there are some legimate arguments on who the best players are in many years (e.g. Curry vs Lebron last season).

Post #1556 » by **ken6199** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:01 pm

mtron929 wrote:
Goodfellaz wrote:Harden - back to back 40 point triple doubles... record now 31-9.... cleveland after tonight 28-9.... and people have the nerve to say lebron is the mvp.... oh god.

One can still make a legitimate case for Lebron as the MVP if we define the award to be the best player in the NBA. And that is my definition of the MVP, so I still think it's Lebron > Harden.

Stopped reading after this. I think you are in the wrong thread (and wrong board too, should be in Player Comparison board).

ChiCityHoops34 · Post #1557 » by **ChiCityHoops34** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:18 pm

Tritodian wrote:
djsunyc wrote:d'antoni can take all stars and make them all time greats.

Didn't happen with Kobe and Melo tho. Besides, two time 1st team all-nba and 14-15 MVP runner-up is more than just an "all-star" player.

2 ego maniacs that only do things the way they want to do things? D'antoni has shown he can coach if the players buy in. Melo and Kobe go to the beat of their own drum, theres nothing he could have done to change that.

PeptoKlepto · Post #1558 » by **PeptoKlepto** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:20 pm

Tritodian wrote:
djsunyc wrote:d'antoni can take all stars and make them all time greats.

Didn't happen with Kobe and Melo tho. Besides, two time 1st team all-nba and 14-15 MVP runner-up is more than just an "all-star" player.

Are we really going to pretend that Kobe and Melo were even remotely coachable when D'Antoni got his hands on them?

ubernathan · Post #1559 » by **ubernathan** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:17 pm

I have to go with James Harden at this point. Big stats, big wins, supporting cast not world-beaters.

Wraps_fan · Post #1560 » by **Wraps_fan** » Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:06 pm

If the award was legitimately given to the "Most valuable" player, LeBron would basically get it every year. Put him on any team and they instantly become a 50 win team that could at least win a playoff round or two. He makes all 4 players around him better, nobody else in the league makes an impact like him.