Game 42: Orlando Magic (17-24) @ Utah Jazz (25-16) - 9:00 PM ET

[p0peye]

We lost against a better team, in a game that might've gone our way. Our young guys are improving and we'll have more ping pong balls in June.

I'll take it.

[yoyojw17]

With each game that passes, it is starting to become very clear to me why Vogel got canned with the Pacers. Our roster definitely has a ton of warts but I really feel Frank is oblivious to his own mistakes as a head coach and has trouble adapting to in game situations. It's even more glaring now that he does not have Paul George to bail him out.

The officiating was bad in the 2nd half but that 2nd quarter did us in. We had a chance to really put the Jazz away and he employed an all bench lineup with players who do not mesh well at all. Chemistry does take time to build but figuring out your best rotations should not be taking this long.

That decision making isn't going to get better either. Search twitter and you will find an absurd amount of pacers fans making the same complaints about his over-confidence in bench players over the years - riding them too long, playing them against opposing starters, etc. I don't think he can help it... he's too much of an optimist and believes in every single player on his roster.

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"But... Did they win?" lol

[pcity813]

It's time to blow this roster up already...

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[Instincts]

Sad reality is we wouldn't have a bench problem if we kept harris and therefore didn't sign green.

AG would've been riding the bench.[/quote

As nice as it would be to have additional depth off the bench i.e. Harris. The first priority has to be AG, not only AG playing minutes, but also avoiding any controversy or issue were AG was unable get comfortable due to a older player being upset about role or minutes.

But with that said, the current bench is not were it needs to be.

[OrlandoDream]

Green is -38 in the last three games. -38!

I wonder how many games we could have won if he didn't play or had a normal NBA caliber SF/PF.

[Viper1500]

has anyone else noticed that biyombo is blocked on like half of his shot attempts? the guy gets blocked much more than he actually blocks himself.

[OrlandO]

Green is -38 in the last three games. -38!

I wonder how many games we could have won if he didn't play or had a normal NBA caliber SF/PF.

Sadly the only regular rotation player worse than Green in +/- this season is biyombo.... both -150+. Paid 33 million dollars for our two biggest disappointments. Hopefully biz can at least go back to contributing off the bench... gotta get something out of him with the contract we gave him.

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[OrlandO]

has anyone else noticed that biyombo is blocked on like half of his shot attempts? the guy gets blocked much more than he actually blocks himself.

He's not as explosive as you'd expect for a shot blocker. Looks slow going up on both ends...





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[Furinkazan]

has anyone else noticed that biyombo is blocked on like half of his shot attempts? the guy gets blocked much more than he actually blocks himself.

He's not as explosive as you'd expect for a shot blocker. Looks slow going up on both ends...





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well he got paid...Im not saying he doesnt give a F...
he is what he is... a grossly overpaid backup

[OrlandoDream]

Green is -38 in the last three games. -38!

I wonder how many games we could have won if he didn't play or had a normal NBA caliber SF/PF.

Sadly the only regular rotation player worse than Green in +/- this season is biyombo.... both -150+. Paid 33 million dollars for our two biggest disappointments. Hopefully biz can at least go back to contributing off the bench... gotta get something out of him with the contract we gave him.

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Biz has not been the same after his shoulder injury. BUt Green has been azz since the beginning. We need to find a way to get rid of him for something. Idc anything. Ill take a second round for him and signed some Dleague to a 10 day. Even give Hollis Thompson a chance. F it

[p0peye]

Green is -38 in the last three games. -38!

I wonder how many games we could have won if he didn't play or had a normal NBA caliber SF/PF.

Sadly the only regular rotation player worse than Green in +/- this season is biyombo.... both -150+. Paid 33 million dollars for our two biggest disappointments. Hopefully biz can at least go back to contributing off the bench... gotta get something out of him with the contract we gave him.

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[p0peye]

I wonder how many games we could have won if he didn't play or had a normal NBA caliber SF/PF.

Sadly the only regular rotation player worse than Green in +/- this season is biyombo.... both -150+. Paid 33 million dollars for our two biggest disappointments. Hopefully biz can at least go back to contributing off the bench... gotta get something out of him with the contract we gave him.

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Biz has not been the same after his shoulder injury. BUt Green has been azz since the beginning. We need to find a way to get rid of him for something. Idc anything. Ill take a second round for him and signed some Dleague to a 10 day. Even give Hollis Thompson a chance. F it

Arguably he has been in line with his entire career: net negative (ORTG-DRTG). Last season with Raptors seems to be abomination, really.

[OrlandO]

I wonder how many games we could have won if he didn't play or had a normal NBA caliber SF/PF.

Sadly the only regular rotation player worse than Green in +/- this season is biyombo.... both -150+. Paid 33 million dollars for our two biggest disappointments. Hopefully biz can at least go back to contributing off the bench... gotta get something out of him with the contract we gave him.

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Biz has not been the same after his shoulder injury. BUt Green has been azz since the beginning. We need to find a way to get rid of him for something. Idc anything. Ill take a second round for him and signed some Dleague to a 10 day. Even give Hollis Thompson a chance. F it

Not giving Biz a pass because of the injury.... the disappointment started well before that and coincides more with the minutes increase and promotion. His stats actually went up on both ends after injury. It's only recently where he looks like a complete stiff and he hasn't had tape or anything on his shoulder in weeks. Plus it's his legs and brain that look slow, not his shoulder/arm.

[Mc-o]

I wonder how many games we could have won if he didn't play or had a normal NBA caliber SF/PF.

Sadly the only regular rotation player worse than Green in +/- this season is biyombo.... both -150+. Paid 33 million dollars for our two biggest disappointments. Hopefully biz can at least go back to contributing off the bench... gotta get something out of him with the contract we gave him.

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Biz has not been the same after his shoulder injury. BUt Green has been azz since the beginning. We need to find a way to get rid of him for something. Idc anything. Ill take a second round for him and signed some Dleague to a 10 day. Even give Hollis Thompson a chance. F it

Green is gone at the end of the year but we are stuck with biz

[OrlandoDream]

Sadly the only regular rotation player worse than Green in +/- this season is biyombo.... both -150+. Paid 33 million dollars for our two biggest disappointments. Hopefully biz can at least go back to contributing off the bench... gotta get something out of him with the contract we gave him.

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Biz has not been the same after his shoulder injury. BUt Green has been azz since the beginning. We need to find a way to get rid of him for something. Idc anything. Ill take a second round for him and signed some Dleague to a 10 day. Even give Hollis Thompson a chance. F it

Not giving Biz a pass because of the injury.... the disappointment started well before that and coincides more with the minutes increase and promotion. His stats actually went up on both ends after injury. It's only recently where he looks like a complete stiff and he hasn't had tape or anything on his shoulder in weeks. Plus it's his legs and brain that look slow, not his shoulder/arm.

I know he has disappointed and that is because BIz needs all star players around him to make him look good. Lowry and Derozan dominated the game that the mistakes Biz made were overlooked bc they made up for it. We have no All stars here to do that so every mistake is he makes is magnified. His role on this team is a backup and he is on a staring C contract. I hope we keep him bc he is great for the teams locker room and a great veteran but his contributions on the court can be questioned.

Biz just needs to accept and maximize his role here. You are here to stop the paint. Grab boards, blocks shots, set hard screens and let others do the offensive work. This summer I want biz working on nothing but his hands. Also those travel he commits are rookie mistakes. We need more from him. I do wonder what teams will pay for him,

Sadly the only regular rotation player worse than Green in +/- this season is biyombo.... both -150+. Paid 33 million dollars for our two biggest disappointments. Hopefully biz can at least go back to contributing off the bench... gotta get something out of him with the contract we gave him.

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Biz has not been the same after his shoulder injury. BUt Green has been azz since the beginning. We need to find a way to get rid of him for something. Idc anything. Ill take a second round for him and signed some Dleague to a 10 day. Even give Hollis Thompson a chance. F it

Green is gone at the end of the year but we are stuck with biz

Hopefully sooner.

[OrlandO]

Biz has not been the same after his shoulder injury. BUt Green has been azz since the beginning. We need to find a way to get rid of him for something. Idc anything. Ill take a second round for him and signed some Dleague to a 10 day. Even give Hollis Thompson a chance. F it

Not giving Biz a pass because of the injury.... the disappointment started well before that and coincides more with the minutes increase and promotion. His stats actually went up on both ends after injury. It's only recently where he looks like a complete stiff and he hasn't had tape or anything on his shoulder in weeks. Plus it's his legs and brain that look slow, not his shoulder/arm.

I know he has disappointed and that is because BIz needs all star players around him to make him look good. Lowry and Derozan dominated the game that the mistakes Biz made were overlooked bc they made up for it. We have no All stars here to do that so every mistake is he makes is magnified. His role on this team is a backup and he is on a staring C contract. I hope we keep him bc he is great for the teams locker room and a great veteran but his contributions on the court can be questioned.

Biz just needs to accept and maximize his role here. You are here to stop the paint. Grab boards, blocks shots, set hard screens and let others do the offensive work. This summer I want biz working on nothing but his hands. Also those travel he commits are rookie mistakes. We need more from him. I do wonder what teams will pay for him,

I think he only needs all stars around him to play well as a starter... he shouldn't need them to rebound, block shots and protect the rim off the bench. He looked consistently good as a backup before we promoted him. It's been downhill since. He's gotta start giving us a high rate of rebs and blks again now that he's facing weaker lineups and doesn't have to worry about fouls or burning up his energy too early.

[OrlandoDream]

Not giving Biz a pass because of the injury.... the disappointment started well before that and coincides more with the minutes increase and promotion. His stats actually went up on both ends after injury. It's only recently where he looks like a complete stiff and he hasn't had tape or anything on his shoulder in weeks. Plus it's his legs and brain that look slow, not his shoulder/arm.

I know he has disappointed and that is because BIz needs all star players around him to make him look good. Lowry and Derozan dominated the game that the mistakes Biz made were overlooked bc they made up for it. We have no All stars here to do that so every mistake is he makes is magnified. His role on this team is a backup and he is on a staring C contract. I hope we keep him bc he is great for the teams locker room and a great veteran but his contributions on the court can be questioned.

Biz just needs to accept and maximize his role here. You are here to stop the paint. Grab boards, blocks shots, set hard screens and let others do the offensive work. This summer I want biz working on nothing but his hands. Also those travel he commits are rookie mistakes. We need more from him. I do wonder what teams will pay for him,

I think he only needs all stars around him to play well as a starter... he shouldn't need them to rebound, block shots and protect the rim off the bench. He looked consistently good as a backup before we promoted him. It's been downhill since. He's gotta start giving us a high rate of rebs and blks again now that he's facing weaker lineups and doesn't have to worry about fouls or burning up his energy too early.

Exactly. Block, rebounds and set high screens. He needs to accept that role and go with it. If he does that, he would be huge for us off the bench. Something we desperately needs.

[PennytoShaq]

60 percent of his ability and we kept playing him? Either he selfishly lied to staff about his health or they're morons for letting him run around on an injury like that. I know we're desperate for wins, but come on... no player on this team is any use to us at 60%.

It's neither. When you play sports you don't always know how hurt you are until during game time. It's a whole new gear and it's not like practice. He was probably feeling good in shootaround and practices and then felt it during games, but powered through it until it became obvious that he was not going to be effective enough.

No one is a moron or selfish. That's not really how it works.

I like how you tell me it's neither and then make up your own reasoning as if it's fact. It doesn't take five games to realize you're compensating and it's not getting better.... not when you're obviously playing like crap. You don't mess with foot injuries that are obviously limiting you, period.

I am not making anything up. You just made assumptions that aren't true. A lot of pro athletes power through injuries because they want to play.

If you watched the early games when he returned, they showed him rewrapping his foot on the bench. It's not like no one was aware of the situation and he lied or they were morons like you clearly stated.

[PennytoShaq]

Vogel said he thought Fournier was fine, but the assistants told him they thought otherwise so he didn't play him.

Vogel is seriously worrying me lately.

It's not his job to monitor injury though. He goes on the information that he gets from his staff. That's why he hired them.

Evan is tough and wants to play. Sometimes it takes assistants to sit a guy down and tell them it's not happening and they need to rest.

[basketballRob]

Up 5 in the last 5 minutes, then Vuc had a couple unforced turnovers and shot swatted away by Gobert. I think they might consider going with Ibaka in crunch time.