Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[Andrew McCeltic]

Not sure why you want to pick a fight on this. Let's say we renounce Olynyk, Amir, everyone, and we do get the golden apple of everyone's white eye, Gordon Hayward. Here's the roster:

IT/Rozier/Jackson
Bradley/Smart/Brown
Hayward/Crowder/BKN 17
Horford/Mickey/Yabusele
Zizic/vet min signing

Is that a contender? Hayward's not the final piece of the puzzle. That team's capped out, and pinning all its hopes on Zizic being the answer based on some Euro play.

What's your next move? After Hayward, no cap room left, and even the least expensive of other "stars" - Wall, Butler, Middleton, Cousins - making 15-17 million. How do you match salaries? Which cheaper players do you target? If you have to trade Jaylen Brown straight up for a rookie-scale big, who do you trade him for?

Would start Hayward at the 2 and then trade from depth to get a big. We'd have a lot of depth to trade from, but I can't figure out the big. If Griffin's cooked, the play might just be to forego 2017 cap space and play around now.

That's my point, what's the big? You can say trade some of Bradley, Brown, Rozier, Crowder because we have depth.. Rozier can get you Okafor or Nurkic.. Bradley/Brown is 13 million in salary.. Crowder is what, 7? Just to get Ken Faried is going to cost you.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Respect the opinion but gonna disagree. Defensive Bigs are hot right now. Whiteside and Noel are two that teams could really really use. Rozier, especially with this upcoming draft, will have diminished value.

I'd be willing to include the lesser of PHL or LAL with Noel for Bradley.

Boston would lose their max cap space, if they took back the lesser of your 2017 picks. How about the unprotected 2019 Sacramento pick?

[claycarver]

I'd be willing to include the lesser of PHL or LAL with Noel for Bradley.

I do this deal. For sure I do it.

[claycarver]

Respect the opinion but gonna disagree. Defensive Bigs are hot right now. Whiteside and Noel are two that teams could really really use. Rozier, especially with this upcoming draft, will have diminished value.

I'd be willing to include the lesser of PHL or LAL with Noel for Bradley.

Boston would lose their max cap space, if they took back the lesser of your 2017 picks. How about the unprotected 2019 Sacramento pick?

Noel's cap hold is $11mil so we're out of max cap space anyway. Still I do this. Two picks in the top 8 of this draft interests me quite a bit. Use the extra space to extend IT instead so we have more room for Smart the following year.

Next year its Avery out; Fultz, Noel, and Jonathan Isaac in.

Avery needs to go to make room for Fultz anyway.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Respect the opinion but gonna disagree. Defensive Bigs are hot right now. Whiteside and Noel are two that teams could really really use. Rozier, especially with this upcoming draft, will have diminished value.

I'd be willing to include the lesser of PHL or LAL with Noel for Bradley.

Boston would lose their max cap space, if they took back the lesser of your 2017 picks. How about the unprotected 2019 Sacramento pick?

Noel's cap hold is $11mil so we're out of max cap space anyway. Still I do this. Two picks in the top 8 of this draft interests me quite a bit. Use the extra space to extend IT instead so we have more room for Smart the following year.

If they move Bradley and Rozier, I'm pretty sure they'd still have max space.

[Banks2Pierce]

I'd be willing to include the lesser of PHL or LAL with Noel for Bradley.

I do this deal. For sure I do it.

Yeah, I like it value wise. There is a concern that we'd have 3 players(including 2 making a combined $46+million) that are best suited to play the 5, but I think Noel/Horford might just work as a pairing at both ends. That Lakers/Philly pick could come in at a high cap number so I'd want to get a Will Barton type to replenish the wing since we'd already be eating into that space. I kinda doubt Philly would pay such a high premium, although Bradley is an ideal fit.

[claycarver]

Boston would lose their max cap space, if they took back the lesser of your 2017 picks. How about the unprotected 2019 Sacramento pick?

Noel's cap hold is $11mil so we're out of max cap space anyway. Still I do this. Two picks in the top 8 of this draft interests me quite a bit. Use the extra space to extend IT instead so we have more room for Smart the following year.

If they move Bradley and Rozier, I'm pretty sure they'd still have max space.

We're right on the bubble now. Bradley's $7 and Noel is $11. Rozier would save about $1 by the time you count the roster hold. That $3 mill puts us right over the line based on some calculations others have done on this board.

[claycarver]

I'd be willing to include the lesser of PHL or LAL with Noel for Bradley.

I do this deal. For sure I do it.

Yeah, I like it value wise. There is a concern that we'd have 3 players(including 2 making a combined $46+million) that are best suited to play the 5, but I think Noel/Horford might just work as a pairing at both ends. That Lakers/Philly pick could come in at a high cap number so I'd want to get a Will Barton type to replenish the wing since we'd already be eating into that space. I kinda doubt Philly would pay such a high premium, although Bradley is an ideal fit.

I think they work great together. Horford needs someone quick next to him on defense and Noel needs a shooter next to him.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Noel's cap hold is $11mil so we're out of max cap space anyway. Still I do this. Two picks in the top 8 of this draft interests me quite a bit. Use the extra space to extend IT instead so we have more room for Smart the following year.

If they move Bradley and Rozier, I'm pretty sure they'd still have max space.

We're right on the bubble now. Bradley's $7 and Noel is $11. Rozier would save about $1 by the time you count the roster hold. That $3 mill puts us right over the line based on some calculations others have done on this board.

Bradley's 8.8 million. Here's what I got.

Noel $10,961,225
Horford $27,735,000
Crowder $6,800,000
Smart $4,538,000
Thomas $6,261,395
Brown $4,957,000
BKN2017 $7,000,000
5 Cap Holds $4,075,000
Total $72,327,620
Max $103,000,000
Remaining $30,672,380

[claycarver]

If they move Bradley and Rozier, I'm pretty sure they'd still have max space.

We're right on the bubble now. Bradley's $7 and Noel is $11. Rozier would save about $1 by the time you count the roster hold. That $3 mill puts us right over the line based on some calculations others have done on this board.

Bradley's 8.8 million. Here's what I got.

Noel $10,961,225
Horford $27,735,000
Crowder $6,800,000
Smart $4,538,000
Thomas $6,261,395
Brown $4,957,000
BKN2017 $7,000,000
5 Cap Holds $4,075,000
Total $72,327,620
Max $103,000,000
Remaining $30,672,380

Wow, that does look good! That's for putting that together. Yeah, if we KENW were were getting Hayward, I'd love to trade Avery for Noel and a future pick. That's great.

But I wouldn't cry over Isaac and Noel for Avery either

[CelticFaninLBC]

We're right on the bubble now. Bradley's $7 and Noel is $11. Rozier would save about $1 by the time you count the roster hold. That $3 mill puts us right over the line based on some calculations others have done on this board.

Bradley's 8.8 million. Here's what I got.

Noel $10,961,225
Horford $27,735,000
Crowder $6,800,000
Smart $4,538,000
Thomas $6,261,395
Brown $4,957,000
BKN2017 $7,000,000
5 Cap Holds $4,075,000
Total $72,327,620
Max $103,000,000
Remaining $30,672,380

Wow, that does look good! That's for putting that together. Yeah, if we KENW were were getting Hayward, I'd love to trade Avery for Noel and a future pick. That's great.

Yeah, it's risky. My preference is to get younger, if they can't add Butler...

Also, Tatum might be off the board by the time the LAL or Philly pick comes around. Boston doesn't need another guard, if they're drafting Fultz, Ball or DSJ, and Giles is a gamble...

[claycarver]

Bradley's 8.8 million. Here's what I got.

Noel $10,961,225
Horford $27,735,000
Crowder $6,800,000
Smart $4,538,000
Thomas $6,261,395
Brown $4,957,000
BKN2017 $7,000,000
5 Cap Holds $4,075,000
Total $72,327,620
Max $103,000,000
Remaining $30,672,380

Wow, that does look good! That's for putting that together. Yeah, if we KENW were were getting Hayward, I'd love to trade Avery for Noel and a future pick. That's great.

Yeah, it's risky. My preference is to get younger, if they can't add Butler...

Also, Tatum might be off the board by the time the LAL or Philly pick comes around. Boston doesn't need another guard, if they're drafting Fultz, Ball or DSJ, and Giles is a gamble...

The original suggestion is sweet too. Noel and Isaac (or whoever is there) for Avery. Then we still have cap room to extend IT next year and save money down the road for Smart.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Respect the opinion but gonna disagree. Defensive Bigs are hot right now. Whiteside and Noel are two that teams could really really use. Rozier, especially with this upcoming draft, will have diminished value.

I'd be willing to include the lesser of PHL or LAL with Noel for Bradley.

Boston would lose their max cap space, if they took back the lesser of your 2017 picks. How about the unprotected 2019 Sacramento pick?

Noel's cap hold is $11mil so we're out of max cap space anyway. Still I do this. Two picks in the top 8 of this draft interests me quite a bit. Use the extra space to extend IT instead so we have more room for Smart the following year.

Next year its Avery out; Fultz, Noel, and Jonathan Isaac in.

Avery needs to go to make room for Fultz anyway.

I also think 2 picks in the top 8 is great trade bait too. That gets you something great on draft day IMO.

[Renegade_H]

Bradley is perfect next to Simmons. I'm sure a few Sixers fans would think its overpriced but I feel we can make a playoff push with the addition of Bradley and someone in the draft from 1-5. Addition of Bradley would probably lock Sixers in to a SF unless we get Fultz.

Simmons/McConnell
Bradley/Stauskas/TLC
Covington/Jackson or Tatum
Ilyasova/Saric
Embiid/Okafor

Good luck scoring on that Defensive starting lineup.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Mickey and Jackson have guaranteed money, too. But the point is you can squeak into max cap space and get Noel if you're dealing Bradley in the bargain. Maybe Crowder. Tough to say.

[claycarver]

Bradley is perfect next to Simmons. I'm sure a few Sixers fans would think its overpriced but I feel we can make a playoff push with the addition of Bradley and someone in the draft from 1-5. Addition of Bradley would probably lock Sixers in to a SF unless we get Fultz.

Simmons/McConnell
Bradley/Stauskas/TLC
Covington/Jackson or Tatum
Ilyasova/Saric
Embiid/Okafor

Good luck scoring on that Defensive starting lineup.

I actually couldn't agree more. I've mentioned this in another thread. If Simmons is going to be the player you guys think he can be, he absolutely needs a guy just like Avery on the roster. He doesn't need the ball in his hands, he reliably sinks the 3, and he smother's the other teams best guard. I think Simmons and Bradley optimize each other's strengths.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Mickey and Jackson have guaranteed money, too. But the point is you can squeak into max cap space and get Noel if you're dealing Bradley in the bargain. Maybe Crowder. Tough to say.

Basketballinsider list both on team options.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/boston-celtics-team-salary/

[Renegade_H]

Gonna bump this trade to the Trades section and see how many Sixer fans object.

[claycarver]

Gonna bump this trade to the Trades section and see how many Sixer fans object.

Good luck! If it came from one of us they'd burn it down for sure.

[greenroom31]

FUN CONSPIRACY THEORY I DON'T ACTUALLY BELIEVE

First the setup: At the start of this year IT was viewed as a really good offensive player with limitations who had just made his first all-star team. As we approach the trade deadline, IT is gaining increased recognition as a possible MVP candidate. A lot of the offense runs though IT, particularly in the 4th quarter where he's averaging 10 points a game but also taking a ton of shots.

Now for the tin-foil: Ainge knows another big move needs to be made to get this team to the next level so he schemed with Brad about how to make a player look good so he can be traded for maximum value. AB and Crowder are not great scorers so it would be hard to pump them up, but IT is a perfect guy for the role. He also embraces the hero role and taking lots of shots. Ainge and CBS have their guy and start giving him free reign to put up big numbers and dominate the ball. All this leads up to the trade deadline, when...

...{INSERT GULLIBLE TEAM} overreacts to IT's big numbers and forks over a star player for him (probably plus other stuff from Boston), believing that IT can be a star you build around. Who could the mystery star player be? Just insert all the usual names I guess.