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Re: Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice! 

Post#1161 » by Bohemian » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:45 pm

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Bohemian wrote:For the Spanish speakers in here. You can find a very good interview to Al Horford this week. What is curious (and the reason why I post it in this thread) is because Al says he expects an addition to the team soon. And when the interviewer asks if we need a scorer or a defensive big he talks about a scorer, someone who can score additional threes. That makes me think Al would rather have a Butler kind of addition rather than a Noel-Ibaka partner in the paint.


http://www.somosbasket.com/2017/01/17/noticias/entrevista-con-al-horford/

So I guess we're trading for Omri Casspi.


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Post#1162 » by CelticFaninLBC » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:49 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
From what I've read, the RFA cap hold change will begin in the 2018-19 season, not this off-season. Noel's cap hold will still be 250% of his current salary, not 300%.


Does rookie scale go up 15% of 45%? According to Ryan Bernadoni below, it's up 15% over previous season. I've seen 45% elsewhere??

Rookie Scale Exception
What Has Been Reported


Rookie scale will increase by 15% over the previous schedules for next season
Scale contracts will increase by 5% in year two, then 30% in year 3, and 45% more in year 4
Unsigned, non-stashed rookies will carry a cap hold of 120% of scale, equal to their maximum salary amount
Rookie scale will be defined as a percentage of the salary cap in future seasons
Players signed to rookie scale deals from the current CBA will receive raises that do not count against the salary cap
Teams will now have two “designated player” slots to use on players coming off their rookie scale deals
What We Don’t Know

What are the percentages that will be used in the future?
Will the guaranteed scale contracts of “stashed” first round picks from prior drafts be adjusted to the new scale amounts or to some lower figure?
Is anything being done to increase the options for signing second round picks, beyond the “2-Way” D-League contract (see below)?
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As with the other exceptions, rookie scale had simply fallen out of historic alignment with the massive increase in the salary cap. This was a necessary correction, and tying it to the cap for future seasons will keep the misalignment from developing again.

The salary increase was originally reported to be 45%. A 15% increase still results in a smaller salary in relation to the cap than rookies used to. Any increase could be looked at as a punishment against future picks, but this is such a modest increase compared to what has happened with the salary cap that it’s very hard to see it that way. Rookie scale contracts will continue to be a great deal for the team, as long as the player can contribute.
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Post#1163 » by SmartWentCrazy » Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:58 pm

CelticFaninLBC wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
From what I've read, the RFA cap hold change will begin in the 2018-19 season, not this off-season. Noel's cap hold will still be 250% of his current salary, not 300%.


Does rookie scale go up 15% of 45%? According to Ryan Bernadoni below, it's up 15% over previous season. I've seen 45% elsewhere??

Rookie Scale Exception
What Has Been Reported


Rookie scale will increase by 15% over the previous schedules for next season
Scale contracts will increase by 5% in year two, then 30% in year 3, and 45% more in year 4
Unsigned, non-stashed rookies will carry a cap hold of 120% of scale, equal to their maximum salary amount
Rookie scale will be defined as a percentage of the salary cap in future seasons
Players signed to rookie scale deals from the current CBA will receive raises that do not count against the salary cap
Teams will now have two “designated player” slots to use on players coming off their rookie scale deals
What We Don’t Know

What are the percentages that will be used in the future?
Will the guaranteed scale contracts of “stashed” first round picks from prior drafts be adjusted to the new scale amounts or to some lower figure?
Is anything being done to increase the options for signing second round picks, beyond the “2-Way” D-League contract (see below)?
Big Picture

As with the other exceptions, rookie scale had simply fallen out of historic alignment with the massive increase in the salary cap. This was a necessary correction, and tying it to the cap for future seasons will keep the misalignment from developing again.

The salary increase was originally reported to be 45%. A 15% increase still results in a smaller salary in relation to the cap than rookies used to. Any increase could be looked at as a punishment against future picks, but this is such a modest increase compared to what has happened with the salary cap that it’s very hard to see it that way. Rookie scale contracts will continue to be a great deal for the team, as long as the player can contribute.


I believe the minimum salary amount increased by 45%, which the fixed rookie wage scale increased by 15%. My understanding may be incorrect, but that would also be congruent with what you posted in the above.
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Post#1164 » by BleedGreen1989 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:07 am

Off the wall, thoughts on Evan Fournier?
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Post#1165 » by Renegade_H » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:08 am

Why does everyone on here keep thinking they are getting Noel for Rozier?
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Post#1166 » by klemen4 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:09 am

Melo will agree to a trade imo, C.Paul will push for his trade to clippers. No way they get him for spare parts.

Danny is the only one that can make it happen in a 3 way.

I'm sure Doc would not agree Melo for Griffin.

As I mentioned before crowder or even Bradley makes Doc super tempted to trade griffin to us.

But giving away crowder or Bradley to lac it would be overpay to also give brk 18 to NY.

Knicks must get something for Melo, I'm sure brk 18 and expirings would be enough.

Maybe 2nd option is to offer two first...The best of bos, Mem, lac 19 and bos 20.

2nd option is crowder+pick for Melo...But I'm not to excited to get Melo.
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Post#1167 » by rickrolled » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:19 am

klemen4 wrote:Melo will agree to a trade imo, C.Paul will push for his trade to clippers. No way they get him for spare parts.

Danny is the only one that can make it happen in a 3 way.

I'm sure Doc would not agree Melo for Griffin.

As I mentioned before crowder or even Bradley makes Doc super tempted to trade griffin to us.

But giving away crowder or Bradley to lac it would be overpay to also give brk 18 to NY.

Knicks must get something for Melo, I'm sure brk 18 and expirings would be enough.

Maybe 2nd option is to offer two first...The best of bos, Mem, lac 19 and bos 20.

2nd option is crowder+pick for Melo...But I'm not to excited to get Melo.


Knicks are desperate to get rid of Melo, why do you want to bail them out by giving up a BKN pick ?

They can choose between Clippers, Memphis picks or take both with Crowder going to LA but ain't giving up more than expirings.
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Post#1168 » by BleedGreen1989 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:20 am

Renegade_H wrote:Why does everyone on here keep thinking they are getting Noel for Rozier?


I wouldn't say everyone, but yeah, I don't get it either.

Don't worry though, somebody will chime in within 10 minutes telling you how Noel is garbage.
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Post#1169 » by reload141 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:21 am

Renegade_H wrote:Why does everyone on here keep thinking they are getting Noel for Rozier?


I liked your trade proposal on the trade boards.
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Post#1170 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:33 am

Renegade_H wrote:Why does everyone on here keep thinking they are getting Noel for Rozier?

Because he isn't worth more than Rozier and a mid first round pick. Celtics I believe are not interested anyways
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Post#1171 » by Ben-N1ce » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:50 am

Time to ask Doc about Blake..
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Post#1172 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:55 am

Ben-N1ce wrote:Time to ask Doc about Blake..

Ask him when Blake can play basketball again after his multiple knee procedures?
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Post#1173 » by Andrew McCeltic » Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:55 am

Celts17Pride wrote:
Renegade_H wrote:Why does everyone on here keep thinking they are getting Noel for Rozier?

Because he isn't worth more than Rozier and a mid first round pick. Celtics I believe are not interested anyways


Bradley for Noel/Laker pick is really interesting, but.. what better offers than Rozier are the Sixers looking at? Doesn't seem like there's much out there. And you're underrating Rozier because you haven't read up on him at all.
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Post#1174 » by Ben-N1ce » Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:14 am

Celts17Pride wrote:
Ben-N1ce wrote:Time to ask Doc about Blake..

Ask him when Blake can play basketball again after his multiple knee procedures?


Didn't realize he's making 20m and only on contact for another year. Can't give up good things for that.
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Post#1175 » by jfs1000d » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:03 am

Renegade_H wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Renegade_H wrote:I agree with McCeltic. Eventually you are going to have to pay Bradley or trade him. If you trade his 8M salary this year and add Noel at 17M (Biyombo may have screwed this up), you are adding 9M for a defensive center who is from Boston. Zeller cannot match up with Embiid but I bet Noel could.

After 2017 season, you do not resign Zeller at 8M, now you cut Bradley and Zeller essentially to take on Noel's contract with the cap rising. Olynk's 4.5M will be gone with Zizic coming over. And you replace Bradley with a PG with Nets pick. Doesn't look terrible if you ask me.


The Celtics, Ainge and Stevens have designs on Gordon Hayward next year. In order to get him the Celtics can't take on any salary for next year or additional cap holds. Celtics simply won't trade for Noel because of this reason no matter how much people talk about it.

If Hayward falls through and the Celtics love Noel then they will just offer him a max deal in July.


Sixers will match any deal for Noel. Dallas board is discussing a max for Noel as well.

You cant offer a max to noel. Jesus. If that is what it takes to get him, let him go. Why would the 76ers match thus guy? Dumbest franchise in NBA. Trade him and turn the asset over and invest in embiid.

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Post#1176 » by sully00 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:22 am

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Carmelo won't waive no-trade. Unless Lebron or CP reaches out to him, that's over.


The one thing I have to say to that is any other outcome from that meeting would have resulted in Jackson and the Knicks losing all leverage in negotiating a trade.

Melo is leaving NY with tears in his eyes and it will be Phil's fault, that was what that meeting was about today. It might not happen because there isn't an offer out there good enough from a team he is willing to go to. But I almost guarantee that meeting was about and went exactly the opposite as it was reported.
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Post#1177 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:35 am

sully00 wrote:Melo is leaving NY with tears in his eyes and it will be Phil's fault, that was what that meeting was about today. It might not happen because there isn't an offer out there good enough from a team he is willing to go to. But I almost guarantee that meeting was about and went exactly the opposite as it was reported.


I think that's right. Either waive the no trade or you are benched indefinitely. When you get tired of not playing we can discuss a buyout.

Signing Melo to that huge contract was Phil's fault. Now he's trying to rectify the mistake.
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Post#1178 » by Valid » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:39 am

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sully00 wrote:Melo is leaving NY with tears in his eyes and it will be Phil's fault, that was what that meeting was about today. It might not happen because there isn't an offer out there good enough from a team he is willing to go to. But I almost guarantee that meeting was about and went exactly the opposite as it was reported.


I think that's right. Either waive the no trade or you are benched indefinitely. When you get tired of not playing we can discuss a buyout.

Signing Melo to that huge contract was Phil's fault. Now he's trying to rectify the mistake.

And I still say the primary reason why Phil re-signed Anthony to begin with was to keep him away from the Lakers. It was all about ego.

I honestly don't even really think Jackson 100 percent wanted Anthony back, but when he thought there was a chance Melo would sign with the Lakers, he panicked and made a knee-jerk move. Now he's paying for it, both literally and figuratively.
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Post#1179 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:56 am

Valid wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:
sully00 wrote:Melo is leaving NY with tears in his eyes and it will be Phil's fault, that was what that meeting was about today. It might not happen because there isn't an offer out there good enough from a team he is willing to go to. But I almost guarantee that meeting was about and went exactly the opposite as it was reported.


I think that's right. Either waive the no trade or you are benched indefinitely. When you get tired of not playing we can discuss a buyout.

Signing Melo to that huge contract was Phil's fault. Now he's trying to rectify the mistake.

And I still say the primary reason why Phil re-signed Anthony to begin with was to keep him away from the Lakers. It was all about ego.

I honestly don't even really think Jackson 100 percent wanted Anthony back, but when he thought there was a chance Melo would sign with the Lakers, he panicked and made a knee-jerk move. Now he's paying for it, both literally and figuratively.

The real reason is Phil Jackson doesn't have a clue what he is doing. Great coach but he took offense from critics who were saying he had ready made teams and he didn't know how to build a team like Red Auerbach.

He became GM to prove critics wrong and of course the money. Fail!!!

He has no clue how to build a team.
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Post#1180 » by sully00 » Wed Jan 18, 2017 2:58 am

Curmudgeon wrote:
sully00 wrote:Melo is leaving NY with tears in his eyes and it will be Phil's fault, that was what that meeting was about today. It might not happen because there isn't an offer out there good enough from a team he is willing to go to. But I almost guarantee that meeting was about and went exactly the opposite as it was reported.


I think that's right. Either waive the no trade or you are benched indefinitely. When you get tired of not playing we can discuss a buyout.

Signing Melo to that huge contract was Phil's fault. Now he's trying to rectify the mistake.


Melo is still his best player. Everyone is acting its his game that is all of a sudden the problem. The problem is the rest of the roster that Phil has put around him sucks.

0-10 the past two season without Anthony in the line up. 7-35 the year before.

Phil Jackson and his 4 coaches in two and half seasons does not know what he is doing.

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