Trade Thread 2017: Not Once, Not twice, But Thrice!

[Renegade_H]

You should just trade Embiid then if you think Noel is ever gonna put up 25/14.5 per 36

Could 14 have been high? Sure but he would playing against backup Centers and actually having a PG? He will be productive.

[Homerclease]

Hope that all the Noel backers realize that he will either be terribly limited in his first year with us or Stevens will need to totally revamp the offense. Right now, everyone has to be a threat at the three point line in order to give IT and Bradley the space they need to operate. That's why KO, even with all his faults, is a crunch time player more than Amir. Noel could certainly develop, but he would be a long term project with no help for us this year. If you want him, commit to a new offense and try to grab him in the off season.


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We wouldn't need to revamp our offense at all. As a matter of fact, Noel would add another dimension to the offense by providing Thomas with a reliable alley-oop partner on pick-and-rolls, something IT has never had here. A legitimate argument can be made that Noel would actually help with spacing in that case.

This, last season Amir got what, 60% of his points off assists from Isaiah? Noel would score 16 a night here without a lot of effort in Amir's role. I wouldn't break the bank for him that's for certain but I'm certainly listening to what philly has to say. If the deal is Bradley for Noel and the laker pick I'd jump on it

[Celts17Pride]

Check your threads. Every person is trying to trade Rozier for Noel.

Ainge is not trading Bradley, Smart or Crowder for Noel. That leaves Rozier and a draft pick as the most logical choice. Like I said before I don't believe Ainge is interested in Noel anyways. Why give Noel $17-20 million per year when you have Zizic coming over next year at $1.5 million?

I disagree regarding Bradley. Three of the top 5 prospects in the draft would fit in very nicely as a 2 next to IT. We need to begin to seriously contemplate how Ball or Fultz or Jackson will fit our roster. The off guard spot is probably best for all of them.

With RFA cap holds still at 250% this offseason, we should be able to still maneuver max room with Noel easily. Trading Bradley for Noel and a pick would be a fantastic move for the franchise long term.

If Ainge was interested in trading Bradley for Noel it would have been done already. Ainge isn't interested for the reasons I stated. Just makes sense.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Ainge is not trading Bradley, Smart or Crowder for Noel. That leaves Rozier and a draft pick as the most logical choice. Like I said before I don't believe Ainge is interested in Noel anyways. Why give Noel $17-20 million per year when you have Zizic coming over next year at $1.5 million?

I disagree regarding Bradley. Three of the top 5 prospects in the draft would fit in very nicely as a 2 next to IT. We need to begin to seriously contemplate how Ball or Fultz or Jackson will fit our roster. The off guard spot is probably best for all of them.

With RFA cap holds still at 250% this offseason, we should be able to still maneuver max room with Noel easily. Trading Bradley for Noel and a pick would be a fantastic move for the franchise long term.

If Ainge was interested in trading Bradley for Noel it would have been done already. Ainge isn't interested for the reasons I stated. Just makes sense.

It's not 1 for 1, it's Noel and the worse of the Lakers/Sixers pick for Bradley. And Boston would have done that in the preseason and would do it now. The problem is that it wouldn't have been available until now.

[ArlingtonCeltic]

[url]The Trade Checker shows Paul George (with Aaron Brooks) could be traded for IT, Jaylen Brown, and Zeller[/url](as salary filler).

Would a package like that forestall using the BKN 17 (or 18) pick? I think George is a better bet than IT as a superstar, given George's two-way play and ability to be a "swing" in Brad's system. It allows Smart, Rozier and Brooks to run the point while waiting for a likely PG in this summer's draft.

[ArlingtonCeltic]

Sorry, http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6764175

[Celts17Pride]

I disagree regarding Bradley. Three of the top 5 prospects in the draft would fit in very nicely as a 2 next to IT. We need to begin to seriously contemplate how Ball or Fultz or Jackson will fit our roster. The off guard spot is probably best for all of them.

With RFA cap holds still at 250% this offseason, we should be able to still maneuver max room with Noel easily. Trading Bradley for Noel and a pick would be a fantastic move for the franchise long term.

If Ainge was interested in trading Bradley for Noel it would have been done already. Ainge isn't interested for the reasons I stated. Just makes sense.

It's not 1 for 1, it's Noel and the worse of the Lakers/Sixers pick for Bradley. And Boston would have done that in the preseason and would do it now. The problem is that it wouldn't have been available until now.

Your not getting it. Ainge and Stevens want Gordon Hayward. If you trade Bradley for Noel it takes the Celtics out of that market because of Noel's large cap hold. Celtics won't trade for Noel.

[SmartWentCrazy]

If Ainge was interested in trading Bradley for Noel it would have been done already. Ainge isn't interested for the reasons I stated. Just makes sense.

It's not 1 for 1, it's Noel and the worse of the Lakers/Sixers pick for Bradley. And Boston would have done that in the preseason and would do it now. The problem is that it wouldn't have been available until now.

Your not getting it. Ainge and Stevens want Gordon Hayward. If you trade Bradley for Noel it takes the Celtics out of that market because of Noel's large cap hold. Celtics won't trade for Noel.

No, I am-- you are not making any sense. Noel's cap hold is 10.96, Bradley is 8.81. That 2 million can be easily off set by getting rid of Mickey/Jackson/Rozier.

With the added pick, we'll have to renounce Olynyk, but that's not really the end of the world. Noel for Bradley does not take us out of the running for Hayward at all-- if anything, it makes us a more compelling situation.

[Celts17Pride]

It's not 1 for 1, it's Noel and the worse of the Lakers/Sixers pick for Bradley. And Boston would have done that in the preseason and would do it now. The problem is that it wouldn't have been available until now.

Your not getting it. Ainge and Stevens want Gordon Hayward. If you trade Bradley for Noel it takes the Celtics out of that market because of Noel's large cap hold. Celtics won't trade for Noel.

No, I am-- you are not making any sense. Noel's cap hold is 10.96, Bradley is 8.81. That 2 million can be easily off set by getting rid of Mickey/Jackson/Rozier.

With the added pick, we'll have to renounce Olynyk, but that's not really the end of the world. Noel for Bradley does not take us out of the running for Hayward at all-- if anything, it makes us a more compelling situation.

Don't hold your breath

[klemen4]

Bradley for Noel+lakers pick is good idea, but no way Philly would do this. On the other hand is a huge risk if Lal in loterry jump into top3...Pick goes to lakers..We than would get some crap pick next year.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Bradley for Noel+lakers pick is good idea, but no way Philly would do this. On the other hand is a huge risk if Lal in loterry jump into top3...Pick goes to lakers..We than would get some crap pick next year.

If it jumped, we would get the Lakers unprotected pick in 2018 and a second shot at Ayton. If we made this trade, I'd honestly hope that the Lakers jumped.

[pasfru]

Rozier for Noel isn't a bad trade at all when you consider what Sixers fans were proposing a month or so back on their board. They were jerking each other off saying Jahlil **** Okafor was worth AB.

Keep Noel if you want. Give him the five-year max and all the money in the world. That'll be Philly's loss though, not ours.

[Celts17Pride]

Bradley for Noel+lakers pick is good idea, but no way Philly would do this. On the other hand is a huge risk if Lal in loterry jump into top3...Pick goes to lakers..We than would get some crap pick next year.

If it jumped, we would get the Lakers unprotected pick in 2018 and a second shot at Ayton. If we made this trade, I'd honestly hope that the Lakers jumped.

Celtics have Brown, Brooklyn 2017 pick, Brooklyn 2018, Memphis 2019, LA Clippers 2019, all Boston picks 2017-2020. Celtics don't need another pick. Ainge is trying to be Golden State and Cleveland not Philly and Minny.

Say Ainge doesn't believe Noel is a max player but knows teams will offer Noel the max. What's the point of trading for Noel given the fact that Bradley is a better player?

For this year you fill a hole at one position (Noel) and create a hole at another (Bradley) then Noel leaves at the end of the year. Just makes no sense

[SmartWentCrazy]

Celtics have Brown, Brooklyn 2017 pick, Brooklyn 2018, Memphis 2019, LA Clippers 2019, all Boston picks 2017-2020. Celtics don't need another pick. Ainge is trying to be Golden State and Cleveland not Philly and Minny.

The only way to win the lottery is to buy enough tickets. You can never have too many lottery picks. Don't be a fool.

Say Ainge doesn't believe Noel is a max player but knows teams will offer Noel the max. What's the point of trading for Noel given the fact that Bradley is a better player?

Yup, based on your hypothetical that you have no idea is true, there's no point. But, what if Ainge loves the draft and doesn't want to pay both AB and IT? What if neither you nor I have any idea how Ainge think and are just engaging in a discussion in an online forum?

For this year you fill a hole at one position (Noel) and create a hole at another (Bradley) then Noel leaves at the end of the year. Just makes no sense

Noel only leaves if you want to let him go. Bradley leaves if he wants to. I think starting Noel and Smart leaves us better off than starting Amir and Bradley both short term and long term. You don't. Agree to disagree.

[Bohemian]

If Ainge was interested in trading Bradley for Noel it would have been done already. Ainge isn't interested for the reasons I stated. Just makes sense.

It's not 1 for 1, it's Noel and the worse of the Lakers/Sixers pick for Bradley. And Boston would have done that in the preseason and would do it now. The problem is that it wouldn't have been available until now.

Your not getting it. Ainge and Stevens want Gordon Hayward. If you trade Bradley for Noel it takes the Celtics out of that market because of Noel's large cap hold. Celtics won't trade for Noel.

How do we know that? All we know if the interest in him but we all know Utah can offer him more money. That and the fact that the Jazz are playing really well and are a serious team in the West. I don´t think he will come here

[Homerclease]

Celtics have Brown, Brooklyn 2017 pick, Brooklyn 2018, Memphis 2019, LA Clippers 2019, all Boston picks 2017-2020. Celtics don't need another pick. Ainge is trying to be Golden State and Cleveland not Philly and Minny.

The only way to win the lottery is to buy enough tickets. You can never have too many lottery picks. Don't be a fool.

Say Ainge doesn't believe Noel is a max player but knows teams will offer Noel the max. What's the point of trading for Noel given the fact that Bradley is a better player?

Yup, based on your hypothetical that you have no idea is true, there's no point. But, what if Ainge loves the draft and doesn't want to pay both AB and IT? What if neither you nor I have any idea how Ainge think and are just engaging in a discussion in an online forum?

For this year you fill a hole at one position (Noel) and create a hole at another (Bradley) then Noel leaves at the end of the year. Just makes no sense

Noel only leaves if you want to let him go. Bradley leaves if he wants to. I think starting Noel and Smart leaves us better off than starting Amir and Bradley both short term and long term. You don't. Agree to disagree.

Celtics haven't skipped a beat starting Smart for Bradley and it clears way for one of the guards of 2017 at the same time. I only do the deal if they get a pick back so they can grab Giles too but it's certainly not a ludicrous idea

[Edug27]

Celtics have Brown, Brooklyn 2017 pick, Brooklyn 2018, Memphis 2019, LA Clippers 2019, all Boston picks 2017-2020. Celtics don't need another pick. Ainge is trying to be Golden State and Cleveland not Philly and Minny.

GS and Cleveland became the teams they are now by having a bunch of lottery picks.

[ddb]

Amir, Zeller, Rozier, Memphis18, Boston19 for Brook Lopez & Bojan Bogdanovic works. I'm not a big Lopez fan, but he and Bojan joining the current core makes us really interesting.

IT-AB-Crowder-Horford-Lopez with Smart-Brown-Bojan-Jonas-KO-Green

We keep the BK picks. We wont be able to sign a max player this offseason but we will be able to sign a couple good less than max guys. In 2018 we could be free agent players when there is a stronger free agent group.

BK gets a couple first rounders. Not their own picks (lol), but at least late firsts. man, that organization is screwed for the next few years.

[Bohemian]

Amir, Zeller, Rozier, Memphis18, Boston19 for Brook Lopez & Bojan Bogdanovic works. I'm not a big Lopez fan, but he and Bojan joining the current core makes us really interesting.

IT-AB-Crowder-Horford-Lopez with Smart-Brown-Bojan-Jonas-KO-Green

We keep the BK picks. We wont be able to sign a max player this offseason but we will be able to sign a couple good less than max guys. In 2018 we could be free agent players when there is a stronger free agent group.

BK gets a couple first rounders. Not their own picks (lol), but at least late firsts. man, that organization is screwed for the next few years.

That´s actually a very good trade for us and quite good for the Nets as well. It could happen. Believe it or not I think Bogdanovic would be a better addition to our team than Lopez.

[Homerclease]

Amir, Zeller, Rozier, Memphis18, Boston19 for Brook Lopez & Bojan Bogdanovic works. I'm not a big Lopez fan, but he and Bojan joining the current core makes us really interesting.

IT-AB-Crowder-Horford-Lopez with Smart-Brown-Bojan-Jonas-KO-Green

We keep the BK picks. We wont be able to sign a max player this offseason but we will be able to sign a couple good less than max guys. In 2018 we could be free agent players when there is a stronger free agent group.

BK gets a couple first rounders. Not their own picks (lol), but at least late firsts. man, that organization is screwed for the next few years.

Terrible. Why tinker with a good thing. The nets suck and will continue to suck. Lopez and bogdonavich do nothing for the Celtics either