Smog wrote:SmartWentCrazy wrote:Smog wrote:
Even forgetting that George Hill is 31 and not remotely worth $20 million, why in God's name would he sign here? To not play? By the time free agency comes along we may have IT, Smart, Rozier, and one of Fultz, Ball, or Dennis Smith on the roster.
Hill inevitably is going to sign with a team that has both money and minutes for a lead guard. We're pretty much the last team someone like him would (or should) consider.
Given that I directly stated if we brought him in, it'd be to replace Smart and his minutes, I find it a little disingenuous that you're counter is partly that he wouldn't play because of Smart. But I guess I shouldn't expect more from the guy who struggles with such complex concepts such as restricted free agency.
Ugh. I hate to say this, but you're the one who doesn't understand free agency - restricted or unrestricted. You don't seem to get how or why players sign in either case.
George Hill is not going to survey the NBA landscape in his last shot at a big contract and choose a team with an all-star (and perhaps all-NBA) point guard in front of him. He's going to go somewhere where he will get both big minutes and big money, to a team that needs a veteran presence at point guard.
That could be Philly, Brooklyn, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Sacramento, Utah, or even his old team Indiana, if Teague leaves. It could be Chicago or Orlando or New Orleans. A half-dozen other teams are possibilities depending on how their summers play out - Denver might give up on Mudiay, for instance.
But here? Even if the Cs cut bait with Smart, that won't be until the year after. So Hill would have to pass over all of those point-guard needy teams - including a place where he's thrived, like Utah - to spend his last effective years in the league fighting for bench minutes. Even if we moved Smart, there will likely still be 2-3 young point guards in the bench, possibly including someone like Markelle Fultz.
Hill would have to be mentally ill to sign here. It would be like Greg Monroe picking Philly, only worse.
Conversely you seem not to get the free part of restricted free agency. If Nerlens Noel thinks there's a chance in hell Philly will match, he's not signing an offer sheet anywhere for any amount of money. He'll play on his tender and leave the following year.
On the other hand if he signs an offer sheet, you can be sure he and his agent have already ascertained that Philly isn't matching. This isn't Allen Crabbe, who was happy with the money no matter who paid it and didn't mind leaving it up to chance (in fact he probably preferred staying in Portland). Noel, like Hill, wants starter minutes. Philly can't offer that, just like Boston can't offer that to Hill. So whether it's now or next year, he's signing elsewhere.
A) Sigh. You're now shifting the goal posts. You are arguing a player "not remotely" worth 20M a year would turn down a clear overpay (by your earlier definition) "in his last shot at a big contract" because he wants a situation where he'd get more than the theoretical 30 MPG I carved out in my hypothetical situation. So Hill is going to accept much less money, for 3-6 more minutes a night on a worse team (Philly, Brooklyn, Minnesota, Milwaukee, Sacramento, Utah, Indiana, Chicago, Orlando or New Orleans, from your earlier list)? So much for "his last shot at a big contract", I guess. Or trying to win a title.
This is tiring. You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
B) here's another relevant quote I said a few posts earlier:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:This original topic came up when I listed 5-10 players that I felt were worth holding onto cap space for over trading for Vucevic. You can strike Hill, or anyone else really, but max cap space as an asset will help us out more long term than 36 games of Vucevic this year. Worse case scenario, you can trade for him in the offseason after you strike out on anyone worth it.
I don't care about George Hill nor where he would go nor how much he's worth. I'm not going to continue to argue about him because that's nitpicking on an item that ignores what I was saying. My point was that I'd rather have max cap space as an asset than Nic Vucevic.
C) Nerlens Noel isn't turning down a 4 year 100mm deal to sign a 1 year ~7mm deal because of playing time concerns. Don't be dense. No one with his injury history would. An ACL tear has already cost him millions of dollars at this point-- he won't take that risk again.
He's also made it abundantly clear that all he cares about is money, which is why he wanted minutes, right back to his original twitter antics when he changed his avatar to indicate as such.
