Build a Team 17.0 Discussion Thread #3 (NBA Champion will be announced Thursday 7PM)

[Mecca]

but you just argued that your stat would show the exact same thing mine would for New Era's team and I totally refuted that by saying mine said zaza was one of the worst and your was one of the best. That isn't just an outlier that is a pretty stark difference...no???

Zaza does other things like rebounding and get under peoples skin which I know why new era picked him but being a good defender isn't one of them. But DRPM suggests he is a beast defensively.

There are outliers in any statistic, and anyone with common NBA sense knows that Zaza is a product of playing with Draymond in that stat.

Tell me how Dieng is 4th, despite playing with trash on D outside of Rubio? Or guys like Bebe/Dedmon are so high? On the contrary, guys like Derrick Rose are on the bottom in DRPM so it's short sighted of you to take one specific stat and hold it up to the gold standard.

[Smash3]

Did you guys not see how he was wrecking raptors on his own? Peter Gunz can do it all! Peter Gunz is known to coast during the regular season but when it´s playoff time:



Last playoffs he was elite both offensively and defensively, raptors were throwing great man defenders like Powell and Carroll at him, he killed them and then turned around and locked up Demar.

[Mecca]

Lol you guise kidding the current stat measures all screwed up regarding defense cuz there is so much elements for defense that is currently not measured in just one formula, you need to watch the games and pay close attention to evaluate correctly

thank you thank you thank. exactly. With defense, you rely on what you see with your eyes, read about, then you analytics as supporting evidence, not #1.

[Smash3]

Lol you guise kidding the current stat measures all screwed up regarding defense cuz there is so much elements for defense that is currently not measured in just one formula, you need to watch the games and pay close attention to evaluate correctly

thank you thank you thank. exactly. With defense, you rely on what you see with your eyes, read about, then you analytics as supporting evidence, not #1.

Says the guy who mentions and refers to stats all day long

[mpharris36]

I was about to say - can you do my team next with the advanced stats mpharris? lol

G: Patrick Beverley - It suggests Beverly is about league average (which i tend to agree with). He is a pest and gets under players skin but I wouldn't call him a locked down defender anymore
G: Will Barton - Will Barton isn't a good one - defenders shoot over 3% on him more than league average
F: Jae Crowder - Jae Crowder is a good defender - holds his player to 1% less than league average (again that might be a little lower than crowder skill set but keep in mind he goes up against some of the best players in the league on a nightly basis holding those guys to 44% on a nightly basis is a good thing)
F: Greek Freak - Giannis is a really good defender holds players for 3.5% less than league average
C: Lucas Nogueira - a little better than league average

Outside of Barton it suggests you don't have a weak spot on your defense. Which I would tend to agree with.

[Mecca]

Lol you guise kidding the current stat measures all screwed up regarding defense cuz there is so much elements for defense that is currently not measured in just one formula, you need to watch the games and pay close attention to evaluate correctly

thank you thank you thank. exactly. With defense, you rely on what you see with your eyes, read about, then you analytics as supporting evidence, not #1.

Says the guy who mentions and refers to stats all day long

I use it as supporting evidence, not as a crutch.

[3toheadmelo]

but you just argued that your stat would show the exact same thing mine would for New Era's team and I totally refuted that by saying mine said zaza was one of the worst and your was one of the best. That isn't just an outlier that is a pretty stark difference...no???

Zaza does other things like rebounding and get under peoples skin which I know why new era picked him but being a good defender isn't one of them. But DRPM suggests he is a beast defensively.

here i'll just make this easier for you MP
hey mecca, ur team SUCKS

[Mecca]

but you just argued that your stat would show the exact same thing mine would for New Era's team and I totally refuted that by saying mine said zaza was one of the worst and your was one of the best. That isn't just an outlier that is a pretty stark difference...no???

Zaza does other things like rebounding and get under peoples skin which I know why new era picked him but being a good defender isn't one of them. But DRPM suggests he is a beast defensively.

here i'll just make this easier for you MP
hey mecca, ur team SUCKS

u don no bal

[IllmaticHandler]

Well well well...

pick pick pick....

[Slicin N Dicin]

I was about to say - can you do my team next with the advanced stats mpharris? lol

G: Patrick Beverley - It suggests Beverly is about league average (which i tend to agree with). He is a pest and gets under players skin but I wouldn't call him a locked down defender anymore
G: Will Barton - Will Barton isn't a good one - defenders shoot over 3% on him more than league average
F: Jae Crowder - Jae Crowder is a good defender - holds his player to 1% less than league average (again that might be a little lower than crowder skill set but keep in mind he goes up against some of the best players in the league on a nightly basis holding those guys to 44% on a nightly basis is a good thing)
F: Greek Freak - Giannis is a really good defender holds players for 3.5% less than league average
C: Lucas Nogueira - a little better than league average

Outside of Barton it suggests you don't have a weak spot on your defense. Which I would tend to agree with.

thanks man, very much appreciated - any extra insight on my squad is good.

[mpharris36]

Lol you guise kidding the current stat measures all screwed up regarding defense cuz there is so much elements for defense that is currently not measured in just one formula, you need to watch the games and pay close attention to evaluate correctly

thank you thank you thank. exactly. With defense, you rely on what you see with your eyes, read about, then you analytics as supporting evidence, not #1.

thats funny to me because we got into an argument of which stat is better. I argued mine because mine is more about individual defense yours is about team defense and the situation you are in.

Did I once say the end all be all is defensive metrics? Absolutely not you need to use common sense about defense.

For example I just did slicin and dicin team with my metrics and it saying crowder is a good defender but not a great one. That has a lot to do with going up again Melo, LeBron, PG13, Giannis and all the top wings in the east. So while he doesn't have as stark of a difference to still be better than league average proves how good a defensive player he is because holding those guys to 44% is impressive since there are such good players.

[3toheadmelo]

but you just argued that your stat would show the exact same thing mine would for New Era's team and I totally refuted that by saying mine said zaza was one of the worst and your was one of the best. That isn't just an outlier that is a pretty stark difference...no???

Zaza does other things like rebounding and get under peoples skin which I know why new era picked him but being a good defender isn't one of them. But DRPM suggests he is a beast defensively.

here i'll just make this easier for you MP
hey mecca, ur team SUCKS

u don no bal

u really think larry nance jr is gonna shut down kp LMAO im dead

[Deeeez Knicks]

Lol you guise kidding the current stat measures all screwed up regarding defense cuz there is so much elements for defense that is currently not measured in just one formula, you need to watch the games and pay close attention to evaluate correctly

There is a certain Eddy Curry who has had a great DFG% defense, but certainly does not pass the eye test.

I think FG% at the rim is pretty good, but other then that a lot of noise

[Greenie]

Well well well...

pick pick pick....

Pick is in


Sig check

[Mecca]

Lol you guise kidding the current stat measures all screwed up regarding defense cuz there is so much elements for defense that is currently not measured in just one formula, you need to watch the games and pay close attention to evaluate correctly

thank you thank you thank. exactly. With defense, you rely on what you see with your eyes, read about, then you analytics as supporting evidence, not #1.

thats funny to me because we got into an argument of which stat is better. I argued mine because mine is more about individual defense yours is about team defense and the situation you are in.

Did I once say the end all be all is defensive metrics? Absolutely not you need to use common sense about defense.

For example I just did slicin and dicin team with my metrics and it saying crowder is a good defender but not a great one. That has a lot to do with going up again Melo, LeBron, PG13, Giannis and all the top wings in the east. So while he doesn't have as stark of a difference to still be better than league average proves how good a defensive player he is because holding those guys to 44% is impressive since there are such good players.

My premise was never that my statistic was better, it was that all defensive metrics are flawed, and serve as supporting evidence more than anything. Because of this, different metrics can analyze players in contrasting way, thus reading and watching are the strongest ways to value a defender. The Lakers forum was very high on Nance's D, and I remembered him out of the draft being hyped as a Draymond-light.

[Greenie]

Dwight was a target for Phil to get here.
Mavs ain't letting dude go.

[Mecca]

Dwight was a target for Phil to get here.
Mavs ain't letting dude go.

that was a good pick

[mpharris36]

Lol you guise kidding the current stat measures all screwed up regarding defense cuz there is so much elements for defense that is currently not measured in just one formula, you need to watch the games and pay close attention to evaluate correctly

There is a certain Eddy Curry who has had a great DFG% defense, but certainly does not pass the eye test.

I think FG% at the rim is pretty good, but other then that a lot of noise

it is not the end all be all especially for guards because people run so many P&R's now its difficult to contest the guy your guarding so you need team defense needs to help there.

But for example totally get your point. DFG% defense is generious to Derrick Rose and we all know he sucks at defense.

But he is tall and when he is near his guy he defends them well but he can't guard the pick and roll for his life. So obviously you need common sense (i having argued against common sense). But its the best individual tracking defensive statistic out there. Especially for BAT since your team is a fantasty team and doesn't play together you can only look at individual defense.

[El Poochio]

Mpharris gone mad scientist, have you ever heard about help D, pick and roll D, defensive awareness and many other tools that affect how one defends? Man to man D is just a small part of an huge world

[IllmaticHandler]

I don't want to make this bout taking sides, but I have to agree with MP.

Defense to me simply.... is affecting the players ability you have to guard to score. No stat is end all or be all, but that stat is closer to an individual ability than alot of others stats.