Alex Len

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I think it will be time to trade Chandler to a contender. We can reap picks or a young player. I have no beef with Chandler, its just time to move on.

Full on agree. Even if McD, Watson, Sarver, other coaches...whoever...doesn't have faith in Len, there's no reason they shouldn't be able to trade Chandler to a contender who has a young promising Center, but one not quite ready for primetime...basically, to a team that could benefit from Chandler's playoff experience. I'll post some more excellent trade ideas in our 'speculation' thread!

Which of the 3-5 contenders (if there are even that many) do you think would trade for him?

Stein's most recent article says Portland is looking at him.

[NavLDO]

Full on agree. Even if McD, Watson, Sarver, other coaches...whoever...doesn't have faith in Len, there's no reason they shouldn't be able to trade Chandler to a contender who has a young promising Center, but one not quite ready for primetime...basically, to a team that could benefit from Chandler's playoff experience. I'll post some more excellent trade ideas in our 'speculation' thread!

Which of the 3-5 contenders (if there are even that many) do you think would trade for him?

Stein's most recent article says Portland is looking at him.

My most excellent trade ideas involving Chandler are in the speculation thread, to answer BW's question. Of course, I doubt all those teams would be interested, just that there a potential ideas that could work.

[TeamTragic]

I can see Chandler in Portland. I'm just not sure Len can handle the spotlight.

[bwgood77]

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[WeekapaugGroove]

I know everyone assumes len will get a big offer sheet but I'm not so sure. I could see a bit of a market correction where teams are less willing to pay premium money for backup centers. As we're seeing right now with the suns its hard to find 48 center minutes. Most of these backup centers are not good enough offensively to punish the opponent for going small so they simply cant play against certain lineups. I could see a shift in mindset where teams allocate that money to the wing position and feel like they can find a cheap backup c.

Now with that said it only takes one **** team to overpay him. But when you look around the league its hard to find many teams with a glaring hole at center.

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[jcsunsfan]

I know everyone assumes len will get a big offer sheet but I'm not so sure. I could see a bit of a market correction where teams are less willing to pay premium money for backup centers. As we're seeing right now with the suns its hard to find 48 center minutes. Most of these backup centers are not good enough offensively to punish the opponent for going small so they simply cant play against certain lineups. I could see a shift in mindset where teams allocate that money to the wing position and feel like they can find a cheap backup c.

Now with that said it only takes one **** team to overpay him. But when you look around the league its hard to find many teams with a glaring hole at center.

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The Suns should be actively shopping Len right now. Since he is a RFA this summer, any team interested in him would be highly motivated to trade for him now since it will put them in complete control during free agency. It will also give the Suns a good look at what the market will be for him this summer.

[RaisingArizona]

Officially a bust.

[RaisingArizona]

I'm expecting 6 points / 6 rebounds

3 years later, he still averages that

[bwgood77]

Len's Block + Defensive Rebounding Rate for Centers < 26 is only bettered by Davis, Embiid, Drummond, Gobert.

He's next ahead of Towns.

And he has the highest foul rate in the entire NBA - not really but he's 7th per 36 minutes among players with 600 or more minutes (2nd among players with 900+ minutes, only behind Marquese Chriss) logged.

I don't think the foul thing is that big of a deal considering we can play all kinds of lineups going forward. It's not like we need him 35+ mpg or anything. The blocks and rebounding are elite enough for me to overlook that.

[garrick]

I think the most frustrating thing is his inability to finish around the rim, fix that and you'd see a lot less complaints about him as he bobbles the ball and can't really explode all that well to the rim.

[TeamTragic]

Officially a bust.

I think at this point he is not worth a new contract.

[sleepyvato]

Len better step it up soon or else Williams is going to take his job.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Len's exceeded my expectations this season, and I like his key metrics, the problem is there are probably 10 back up guys around the league (like Williams) who can average 10-10 for a fraction of $16-18m.

FO have been giving faint praise when asked about Len this week, which is very different to how they talk about other young players. If they don't / can't move Dudley, Knight, Chandler and want to have $25-30m spare to target a star FA, they might need to be non-committal to Len and only extend if they strike out.

[kennydorglas]

His rim protection and rebounding are nearing elite levels.
Obviously we didnt draft him for that (zero touch and some people believed he could be a 3pt threat lol)

I dont think he's a bust but of course his offensive traits were massively overrated.

BTW, rim protection+rebounding = $$$$$$$ in the NBA

[Scutt]

Len's exceeded my expectations this season, and I like his key metrics, the problem is there are probably 10 back up guys around the league (like Williams) who can average 10-10 for a fraction of $16-18m.

FO have been giving faint praise when asked about Len this week, which is very different to how they talk about other young players. If they don't / can't move Dudley, Knight, Chandler and want to have $25-30m spare to target a star FA, they might need to be non-committal to Len and only extend if they strike out.

Who are all these back ups who can put up 10 and 10? Do you honestly think Williams is capable of averaging a double double over an entire year? Do you not understand that other NBA teams do not game plan for him yet, so he is only able to go out there and put up those numbers on sheer energy and hustle? I bet you were one of the ones who thought Miles Plumlee was going to continue averaging 15 and 10, like he did the 1st half of that 2014 season.

Williams play has impressed me though, and I see no reason why Len cannot finish the year as the starter and Williams as the backup. We all know that is never happening though.

[GotEm]

Len's Block + Defensive Rebounding Rate for Centers < 26 is only bettered by Davis, Embiid, Drummond, Gobert.

He's next ahead of Towns.

And he has the highest foul rate in the entire NBA - not really but he's 7th per 36 minutes among players with 600 or more minutes (2nd among players with 900+ minutes, only behind Marquese Chriss) logged.

I don't think the foul thing is that big of a deal considering we can play all kinds of lineups going forward. It's not like we need him 35+ mpg or anything. The blocks and rebounding are elite enough for me to overlook that.

Yes but going forward if the Suns are going to be paying him $12M/yr, I'm sure they want him to stay on the court and out of foul trouble. Not much use in paying a guy big bucks to stay on the bench cause of foul trouble.

[bwgood77]

And he has the highest foul rate in the entire NBA - not really but he's 7th per 36 minutes among players with 600 or more minutes (2nd among players with 900+ minutes, only behind Marquese Chriss) logged.

I don't think the foul thing is that big of a deal considering we can play all kinds of lineups going forward. It's not like we need him 35+ mpg or anything. The blocks and rebounding are elite enough for me to overlook that.

Yes but going forward if the Suns are going to be paying him $12M/yr, I'm sure they want him to stay on the court and out of foul trouble. Not much use in paying a guy big bucks to stay on the bench cause of foul trouble.

He probably doesn't need to play major minutes though in small ball era and if we also have Chandler and/or Williams.

[GotEm]

Do you honestly think Williams is capable of averaging a double double over an entire year? Do you not understand that other NBA teams do not game plan for him yet, so he is only able to go out there and put up those numbers on sheer energy and hustle?

Your right that teams aren't game planning for Williams but I certainly don't think their game planning for Len either. I don't think they game plan for anyone on the Suns besides Bledsoe, Booker and maybe Warren.

Who are all these back ups who can put up 10 and 10?

I think Williams is capable of it. Kyle O'Quinn is another guy who I think could do it. Willie Hernangomez, Tarik Black, Ivan Zubac, Nerlens Noel, Ian Mahimi, Dewayne Dedmond, Enes Kanter, Bismack Biyombo, Jusif Nurkic, and Trevor Booker are a few of the guys who I think can do it or come very close to it as well.

It's all about minutes and opportunity and most of these guys don't get many minutes as they are backups.

[bwgood77]

Len's exceeded my expectations this season, and I like his key metrics, the problem is there are probably 10 back up guys around the league (like Williams) who can average 10-10 for a fraction of $16-18m.

FO have been giving faint praise when asked about Len this week, which is very different to how they talk about other young players. If they don't / can't move Dudley, Knight, Chandler and want to have $25-30m spare to target a star FA, they might need to be non-committal to Len and only extend if they strike out.

Who are all these back ups who can put up 10 and 10? Do you honestly think Williams is capable of averaging a double double over an entire year? Do you not understand that other NBA teams do not game plan for him yet, so he is only able to go out there and put up those numbers on sheer energy and hustle? I bet you were one of the ones who thought Miles Plumlee was going to continue averaging 15 and 10, like he did the 1st half of that 2014 season.

Williams play has impressed me though, and I see no reason why Len cannot finish the year as the starter and Williams as the backup. We all know that is never happening though.

It amazes me how so many point out that so many bigs can or should avg double doubles when only 11 bigs in entire league avg 10 + rebounds and that is more than normal. Mostly all premier players too. We need bigger sample size from Williams. Can't rush to judgement after a game.

[GotEm]

I don't think the foul thing is that big of a deal considering we can play all kinds of lineups going forward. It's not like we need him 35+ mpg or anything. The blocks and rebounding are elite enough for me to overlook that.

Yes but going forward if the Suns are going to be paying him $12M/yr, I'm sure they want him to stay on the court and out of foul trouble. Not much use in paying a guy big bucks to stay on the bench cause of foul trouble.

He probably doesn't need to play major minutes though in small ball era and if we also have Chandler and/or Williams.

True but then you can make the argument that there's no need to pay so much money for a guy who doesn't need to/can't play major minutes.