2017 / 2018 Season FA/Trade Wishing Well

[Nazrmohamed]

CLee's on a good contract tho...

He is, but hey, why not? When the goal is to lose games, he's got to go. Plus, Mario might have a higher ceiling. Might not, but Knicks not a playoff team for a few years and that's a waste of CLee. Might as well flip him for assets and that either means taking back salary and getting something, or in this case taking a chance and not. I like it. There are other scenarios to trade him too. I like him. If they Knicks were any good, I wish he'd stay. But they aren't.

I'm just not a fan of Hezonja, seems like a JR Smith type
Could be our scorer off the bench if he develops right, but I think we could do better from trading Lee

I don't really see how. Lee isn't exactly a sping chicken and you know what you're getting with him. He's a good guy who a poor team can start and a good team will bring off thier bench. He's pretty consistently average. No hate in saying that, teams don't even get that all the time but it's probably just about worth a lottery talent who hasn't lived up to his potential and they might even expect 2 second rounders but here's where Id probably endorse Phil saying take it or leave it.

[DOT]

What do we have to give up for him? Philly is going to take Willy and a future first? Are giving them the cheese?

If I am Philly, I am asking Boston for a swap option for their nets pick and another asset. It will be interesting to see what the Bulls can offer...

he doesn't even play and according this this board it's because he can't defend a trash can

I however would offer KOQ for him
Plumlee if they drove a hard bargain

Alternately I'd offer lance thomas and a 2nd rounder but I see little reason they would want that

If its KOQ for him then awesome but Okafor is basically Hermangomez right now.

Rather have Hernangomez tbf
Okafor can't get minutes on Philly, even when Embiid misses games
While Okafor is the better post player, Willy's jumper looks a little further along
And though both are mediocre to bad defensively, Willy is able to make up for it by being a great rebounder, something that Okafor lacks
Also because Willy and KP have already shown signs of good chemistry

[NoLayupRule]

he doesn't even play and according this this board it's because he can't defend a trash can

I however would offer KOQ for him
Plumlee if they drove a hard bargain

Alternately I'd offer lance thomas and a 2nd rounder but I see little reason they would want that

If its KOQ for him then awesome but Okafor is basically Hermangomez right now.

Rather have Hernangomez tbf
Okafor can't get minutes on Philly, even when Embiid misses games
While Okafor is the better post player, Willy's jumper looks a little further along
And though both are mediocre to bad defensively, Willy is able to make up for it by being a great rebounder, something that Okafor lacks
Also because Willy and KP have already shown signs of good chemistry

I've said it a thousand times

if we use Phily as a judge for a players ability and value then we are as stupid as they are

that place doesn't exactly breed successful players

[NBA Fan 1234]

If its KOQ for him then awesome but Okafor is basically Hermangomez right now.

Rather have Hernangomez tbf
Okafor can't get minutes on Philly, even when Embiid misses games
While Okafor is the better post player, Willy's jumper looks a little further along
And though both are mediocre to bad defensively, Willy is able to make up for it by being a great rebounder, something that Okafor lacks
Also because Willy and KP have already shown signs of good chemistry

I've said it a thousand times

if we use Phily as a judge for a players ability and value then we are as stupid as they are

that place doesn't exactly breed successful players

I'd actually argue the other side that they do have a good eye for talent. The issue is they are all bunched up at the 4/5 (Simmons is a 4, as is Saric) and they have no backcourt of the future (McConnell was an awesome get for them, but he's a backup PG on a good team).

[thebuzzardman]

Rather have Hernangomez tbf
Okafor can't get minutes on Philly, even when Embiid misses games
While Okafor is the better post player, Willy's jumper looks a little further along
And though both are mediocre to bad defensively, Willy is able to make up for it by being a great rebounder, something that Okafor lacks
Also because Willy and KP have already shown signs of good chemistry

I've said it a thousand times

if we use Phily as a judge for a players ability and value then we are as stupid as they are

that place doesn't exactly breed successful players

I'd actually argue the other side that they do have a good eye for talent. The issue is they are all bunched up at the 4/5 (Simmons is a 4, as is Saric) and they have no backcourt of the future (McConnell was an awesome get for them, but he's a backup PG on a good team).

This is my take as well. And everyone hates when I bring up the Philly example but to me, and this is wayyyy exaggerating, but they are almost like Boston, but instead of all the talent being 1,2,3 like on Boston, it's 3,4 on Philly.

Those teams just need to make some deals with each other and help bury the Knicks already . Ok, like one deal, and it wouldn't bury the Knicks, and probably does less for Philly and same division and all that, but they seem like good trading partners otherwise.

Boston just seems 2 steps further along where they traded for Isiah Thomas and now need to make another trade to consolidate that guard/SF glut for something better at C and PF, Ainge's misadventure in FA there aside. Actually, they'll just probably draft their two bigs with the next 2 high Nets picks, or flip the top guys they land for that big.

[sportscrazy]

Let's assume 'Melo doesn't waive his NTC, we draft one of the five point guards in this draft (Fultz, Ball, Smith, Fox and Ntilikina in that order) and the top 25 players on this list (http://hoopshype.com/2017/01/25/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/) either re-sign or sign with better situations besides Derrick Rose who is open to returning. What is your game-plan in the 2017 free agency?

[nykballa2k4]

He is, but hey, why not? When the goal is to lose games, he's got to go. Plus, Mario might have a higher ceiling. Might not, but Knicks not a playoff team for a few years and that's a waste of CLee. Might as well flip him for assets and that either means taking back salary and getting something, or in this case taking a chance and not. I like it. There are other scenarios to trade him too. I like him. If they Knicks were any good, I wish he'd stay. But they aren't.

I'm just not a fan of Hezonja, seems like a JR Smith type
Could be our scorer off the bench if he develops right, but I think we could do better from trading Lee

I don't really see how. Lee isn't exactly a sping chicken and you know what you're getting with him. He's a good guy who a poor team can start and a good team will bring off thier bench. He's pretty consistently average. No hate in saying that, teams don't even get that all the time but it's probably just about worth a lottery talent who hasn't lived up to his potential and they might even expect 2 second rounders but here's where Id probably endorse Phil saying take it or leave it.

I guess for me, I may think that either we can move Lee to a team for a middle-road pick (ie Detroit) OR move Lee for a former lotto possible bust (Mario) and in those scenarios, the middle-road pick is more appealing because we would be in control of who we get there and we'd have 2 extra years of that player on a limited contract.

[Nazrmohamed]

Let's assume 'Melo doesn't waive his NTC, we draft one of the five point guards in this draft (Fultz, Ball, Smith, Fox and Ntilikina in that order) and the top 25 players on this list (http://hoopshype.com/2017/01/25/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/) either re-sign or sign with better situations besides Derrick Rose who is open to returning. What is your game-plan in the 2017 free agency?

The first thing Id do is tell Derrick Rose that he is not welcome on my team unless he wants to get paid 8 mil and come off my bench. And even then I don't trust he could do it without pouting so Id probably choose to resign Brandon Jennings for the same amount. I feel like he's earned it more than Rose.

After that I hope the Knicks do what I hoped they did last summer, which was go after players who were just off rookie contracts or better yet under 26. Thats really the only players Im interested in for about the next 4 yrs.

[digitaldropoff]

Let's assume 'Melo doesn't waive his NTC, we draft one of the five point guards in this draft (Fultz, Ball, Smith, Fox and Ntilikina in that order) and the top 25 players on this list (http://hoopshype.com/2017/01/25/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/) either re-sign or sign with better situations besides Derrick Rose who is open to returning. What is your game-plan in the 2017 free agency?

The first thing Id do is tell Derrick Rose that he is not welcome on my team unless he wants to get paid 8 mil and come off my bench. And even then I don't trust he could do it without pouting so Id probably choose to resign Brandon Jennings for the same amount. I feel like he's earned it more than Rose.

After that I hope the Knicks do what I hoped they did last summer, which was go after players who were just off rookie contracts or better yet under 26. Thats really the only players Im interested in for about the next 4 yrs.

The Knicks signed Courtney Lee and Joakim Noah to not exactly cheap deals....neither guy was under 26 or coming off a rookie deal.

What offseason did you watch last summer?

[Swoosh_Stripes]

Let's assume 'Melo doesn't waive his NTC, we draft one of the five point guards in this draft (Fultz, Ball, Smith, Fox and Ntilikina in that order) and the top 25 players on this list (http://hoopshype.com/2017/01/25/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/) either re-sign or sign with better situations besides Derrick Rose who is open to returning. What is your game-plan in the 2017 free agency?

The first thing Id do is tell Derrick Rose that he is not welcome on my team unless he wants to get paid 8 mil and come off my bench. And even then I don't trust he could do it without pouting so Id probably choose to resign Brandon Jennings for the same amount. I feel like he's earned it more than Rose.

After that I hope the Knicks do what I hoped they did last summer, which was go after players who were just off rookie contracts or better yet under 26. Thats really the only players Im interested in for about the next 4 yrs.

The Knicks signed Courtney Lee and Joakim Noah to not exactly cheap deals....neither guy was under 26 or coming off a rookie deal.

What offseason did you watch last summer?

He said those are the moves he hoped the Knicks would have made last summer, he's not saying he wants to do what was actually done last summer.

[NoLayupRule]

Let's assume 'Melo doesn't waive his NTC, we draft one of the five point guards in this draft (Fultz, Ball, Smith, Fox and Ntilikina in that order) and the top 25 players on this list (http://hoopshype.com/2017/01/25/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/) either re-sign or sign with better situations besides Derrick Rose who is open to returning. What is your game-plan in the 2017 free agency?

If we draft a pg, especially a guy like fox or ntlikina who can defend, I'd keep Jennings as the backup with baker developing nicely

I'd spend some money on taj Gibson to start at of next to Kp at center. He's a strong rebounder and post scorer and brings stability

Keep developing our young guys and make some trades for more youth at the 2 and 3

A lot of it depends on melo too

[Meat]

Let's assume 'Melo doesn't waive his NTC, we draft one of the five point guards in this draft (Fultz, Ball, Smith, Fox and Ntilikina in that order) and the top 25 players on this list (http://hoopshype.com/2017/01/25/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/) either re-sign or sign with better situations besides Derrick Rose who is open to returning. What is your game-plan in the 2017 free agency?

otto porter or kentavious caldwell-pope

[digitaldropoff]

Let's assume 'Melo doesn't waive his NTC, we draft one of the five point guards in this draft (Fultz, Ball, Smith, Fox and Ntilikina in that order) and the top 25 players on this list (http://hoopshype.com/2017/01/25/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/) either re-sign or sign with better situations besides Derrick Rose who is open to returning. What is your game-plan in the 2017 free agency?

otto porter or kentavious caldwell-pope

I cringe that both of those guys are going to get maxed....absolutely cringe!

[sportscrazy]

Let's assume 'Melo doesn't waive his NTC, we draft one of the five point guards in this draft (Fultz, Ball, Smith, Fox and Ntilikina in that order) and the top 25 players on this list (http://hoopshype.com/2017/01/25/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/) either re-sign or sign with better situations besides Derrick Rose who is open to returning. What is your game-plan in the 2017 free agency?

otto porter or kentavious caldwell-pope

Both of those teams are going to match. It would need to be that rare young players that is an unrestricted free agent if you wanted to go young.

[NoLayupRule]

Let's assume 'Melo doesn't waive his NTC, we draft one of the five point guards in this draft (Fultz, Ball, Smith, Fox and Ntilikina in that order) and the top 25 players on this list (http://hoopshype.com/2017/01/25/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/) either re-sign or sign with better situations besides Derrick Rose who is open to returning. What is your game-plan in the 2017 free agency?

otto porter or kentavious caldwell-pope

I cringe that both of those guys are going to get maxed....absolutely cringe!

I agree

they remind me of guys every year who are grossly overhyped and overpaid

like the clamor for Evan Turner

Porter has been so disappointing for so long that now his play seems even better than it is

Id hold off on those guys

[shmeakone]

Let's assume 'Melo doesn't waive his NTC, we draft one of the five point guards in this draft (Fultz, Ball, Smith, Fox and Ntilikina in that order) and the top 25 players on this list (http://hoopshype.com/2017/01/25/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/) either re-sign or sign with better situations besides Derrick Rose who is open to returning. What is your game-plan in the 2017 free agency?

Go after CP3, Lowry, Holiday... (in that order)

If all of them say no then:

Give Rose 3 years 60 million, if he doesn't take it... then goodbye.

Go after Ibaka, Milsap, Gallinari, Noel... depending what kind of money we have left and they're looking for.

Re-sign the following:
Ron Baker (2 years 4 million)
Brandon Jennings (2 years 12 million)
Justin Holiday (2 years 10 million)

Best case:

CP3/ Jennings/ Baker
Lee/ Holiday
Melo/ Thomas/ Kuzminskas
Willy/ O'Quinn
KP/ Noah

I'm still happy:

Lowry,Holiday
Lee
Melo
Willy
KP

[Grover]

Let's assume 'Melo doesn't waive his NTC, we draft one of the five point guards in this draft (Fultz, Ball, Smith, Fox and Ntilikina in that order) and the top 25 players on this list (http://hoopshype.com/2017/01/25/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/) either re-sign or sign with better situations besides Derrick Rose who is open to returning. What is your game-plan in the 2017 free agency?

Unfortunately Jackson screwed the pooch in free agency last offseason. I think he may have actually set the franchise back. In order to fix the problem they have to find takers for Noah, Lee and Thomas to begin the process of being in a position of having cap flexibility and it begins with paying the price by offering up the limited assets on the roster that allow teams with expiring contracts to absorb the garbage while retaining Melo and Porzingis. The Bucks are probably one of the only teams that might consider Noah from amongst the teams with sufficient space. In addition to Noah, Lee and Holiday for Monroe, Henson and Terry, trading Jennings for Hawes and O'Quinn for Hibbert in allowable separate deals might get it done though Hernangomez's inclusion in the initial trade would likely be required. Flipping Hawes for Splitter along with flipping Henson and Thomas for something like Green and Meeks could get the Knicks back to where they were last offseason before the mistakes were made. Someone mentioned Hennigan being on the hot seat. The Magic are only a few games behind the Knicks and his expirings outside of Ibaka are brutal but high dollar. The Knick pick improves and they have their only legitimate chance at pairing legitimate premier free agents with Melo and Porzingis. In 2017 I would go for pairing the star free agents but having failed I would not spend my wad on lower end aging vets without upside versus becoming the facilitator team that signs rentals and accumulates picks while struggling pretty much where they are right now.

[Meat]

Let's assume 'Melo doesn't waive his NTC, we draft one of the five point guards in this draft (Fultz, Ball, Smith, Fox and Ntilikina in that order) and the top 25 players on this list (http://hoopshype.com/2017/01/25/nba-free-agency-2017-the-top-players/) either re-sign or sign with better situations besides Derrick Rose who is open to returning. What is your game-plan in the 2017 free agency?

Go after CP3, Lowry, Holiday... (in that order)

If all of them say no then:

Give Rose 3 years 60 million, if he doesn't take it... then goodbye.

Go after Ibaka, Milsap, Gallinari, Noel... depending what kind of money we have left and they're looking for.

Re-sign the following:
Ron Baker (2 years 4 million)
Brandon Jennings (2 years 12 million)
Justin Holiday (2 years 10 million)

Best case:

CP3/ Jennings/ Baker
Lee/ Holiday
Melo/ Thomas/ Kuzminskas
Willy/ O'Quinn
KP/ Noah

I'm still happy:

Lowry,Holiday
Lee
Melo
Willy
KP

all of these are terrible

[sportscrazy]

Is there any chance that this off-season with how close Philadelphia is to New York, if the 76ers could land Dwyane Wade and a veteran point guard (Jrue Holiday?) that 'Melo would waive his NTC for the 76ers?

[Blockwatcher]

Man , I'm falling asleep at work so I might be speaking nonsense but CLee for Mario is a no brainer for Orlando. If he was on a team like San Antonio and wasn't getting playing time I would say ok take a shot at him. Hezonia is on the lowly magic and isn't getting burn. A team who has been doing nothing but stacking youth and crossing their fingers.
I would sooner talk to the bucks and try to get their pick unprotected for both Lee and KOQ.
Or Houston or OKC or any team that needs a guy to park at the permitter and knock down 3s from a penetrating PG kick out pass.

If you're telling me we are taking a chance with a guy in a situation like Kevin Looney who is playing behind 2 allstars, then you have my attention.
Not a guy who was never known for his D and is racking up DNPs on a lottery team in his 2nd year