Lonzo Ball

WalterBenjamin · Post #361 » by **WalterBenjamin** » Mon Feb 6, 2017 11:39 pm

Regarding Philli Simmons is also a gamble if the shot isn't falling and to put a guy next to him who hasn't shown any kind of midrange game (10ish shots aint enoguh) is ludacris. People count on Ball here to be the next Magic with spot up 3. I would rather risk on Fultz being the next Harden or DSJ the next Westbrook.

Post #362 » by **Marcus** » Mon Feb 6, 2017 11:42 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
The issue is Simmons. The second you take the ball out of Simmons hands on offense his impact greatly decreases. Hes not a catch and shoot guy, so hes not going to drag his defender more than 10ft from the basket so hes not going to really stretch the defense when he doesnt have the ball. Hes not the type of guy you can throw the ball down low to for a bucket either. Simmons is at his best when he has the ball in his hands and finding cutters and things like that. If youre Philly you want Simmons to be facilitating your offense, that is how youre going to get the most out from him. Can you imagine PnRs with Simmons and Embiid, that would be extremely hard to stop with those two size and athleticism and Embiid's ability to pick an pop.

I know it sounds really strange and im definitely in the minority on this, I think Josh Jackson can be a really good fit in the long run if he can get that jumper down. Jackson's ability to move and cut off the ball might be the best in this draft, Jackson has really shown he can be a really effective off ball scorer. The best part of Simmon's game is finding cutters, hes elite at that aspect of the game. Plus Jackson gives you a guy that can be a great 1-3 defender. The spacing might be a struggle the first couple years but if Jackson can ever become just a solid shooter then I think he becomes a perfect fit.

What you just described is much more of an issue with Fultz, Smith, or the other PG's than with Ball. Ball is really good as an offball player who can stretch the defense. He's a good cutter who can finish alley-oops at the rim. The ball doesn't stick in his hands, he keeps it moving quickly. He can play off-ball for 15 mins and be the primary initiator for 15 mins when Simmons is on the bench.

Lonzo Ball is a better fit for the Sixers than the other PG's in this draft.

I think Fultz is the better fit especially with his improved jumper. Fultz has much more of a scorer mentality than Ball. I think you need to surround Simmons and Embiid with scorers. Again im in the minority where I think in the long run Jackson might be the best fit for Philly. I dont think Philly should draft a PG this high in this draft. Ideally the PG you get for Philly is a Patrick Beverly type of a hard nose defender and offensively he doesnt need the ball but can hit the spot up 3.

you know I love Josh and I think the combination could work long term. But the spacing with the here and now with two guys working on their jumpers could make it tough for the scoring focal point that still at times struggles with TOs. Obviously both move off ball really well so JoJo would have options, but the shooting? I dunno.

Post #363 » by **Duke4life831** » Mon Feb 6, 2017 11:51 pm

Marcus wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
What you just described is much more of an issue with Fultz, Smith, or the other PG's than with Ball. Ball is really good as an offball player who can stretch the defense. He's a good cutter who can finish alley-oops at the rim. The ball doesn't stick in his hands, he keeps it moving quickly. He can play off-ball for 15 mins and be the primary initiator for 15 mins when Simmons is on the bench.

Lonzo Ball is a better fit for the Sixers than the other PG's in this draft.

I think Fultz is the better fit especially with his improved jumper. Fultz has much more of a scorer mentality than Ball. I think you need to surround Simmons and Embiid with scorers. Again im in the minority where I think in the long run Jackson might be the best fit for Philly. I dont think Philly should draft a PG this high in this draft. Ideally the PG you get for Philly is a Patrick Beverly type of a hard nose defender and offensively he doesnt need the ball but can hit the spot up 3.

you know I love Josh and I think the combination could work long term. But the spacing with the here and now with two guys working on their jumpers could make it tough for the scoring focal point that still at times struggles with TOs. Obviously both move off ball really well so JoJo would have options, but the shooting? I dunno.

Oh I agree its a gamble and the spacing would be pretty bad early on. I dont think Philly thinks they are going to be championship contenders for awhile so I think its okay to have the bad spacing for the next few years. Also Embiid does stretch the floor so you can still have it where you have 3 guys out on the court that can stretch the floor and thats not a great situation but its not horrible either. A lot of teams usually only have 3 true 3 point shooters on the floor at once.

Again this is a long term gamble that I think can really work out. Plus having Jackson as a potential elite perimeter defender is a huge plus as well. Philly doesnt have that yet and they could have great defensive potential with Embiid and Jackson anchoring that defense. No other guy in the top 5 has the defensive potential that Jackson has. I just think Jackson has really shown he can be an effective scorer off the ball, he cuts extremely well. But I could see Fultz being a great fit with his scoring mindset and scoring skill set, or if they drop in the draft to say somewhere around 5-6 I can see Tatum being a really good fit as well. I know the Jackson thing is out there in left field, I just think that option may have the highest potential long term, especially if Simmons or Jackson get a solid jumper. Only one of them needs it for it to really work.

PLO · Post #364 » by **PLO** » Tue Feb 7, 2017 1:50 am

The points several posters have made about Ball not fitting in with Philly are roughly what I think about him. I would much prefer to have a Fultz or DSJ who have already shown an excellent midrange game and ability to create their own shot off the dribble, given that that will open up opportunities for Simmons and Embiid. Fultz, for example, has already shown the ability to split double teams with ease and is a menace from anywhere on the floor. He, Simmons and Embiid on the same floor would be a nightmare to guard. I think Ball will be a super player, just not with the 6ers; he will be best surrounded by good shooters. The other worry I have about him is the oft-mentioned shooting stroke; yes they are going in now but I'm worried for him that this is repeatable season in season out at the NBA level. I would hate to draft him and find he gets the yips because something happens to his form that is not correctable due to how unorthodox he is.

Having said all of this I would prefer a Josh Jackson and one of the other lower rated PGs, but its extremely close between that and just getting Fultz and missing out on Jackson/Isaac, just because this draft is flush with PGs, and basically the other forwards/wings in the draft aren't remotely close to a Jackson.

Post #365 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Feb 7, 2017 7:44 am

For all the people worried about his shot, I think Jay Bilas summed it up perfectly, his shot is the equivalent to Jim Furyk's golf shot. Everything about it doesnt look right up until the moment of impact and that is all that matters. Same goes for Ball's jumper, everything about just doesnt look right up until his release, gets his hand under it and gets a good rotation on it.

PLO · Post #366 » by **PLO** » Tue Feb 7, 2017 11:56 pm

Furyk is the exception that proves the rule though; there are no other players with his swing at the top level of the game. Could Ball be a Furyk? Sure, he could; his shot has certainly stood up so far, but I'm hoping another team takes that risk with him, not the 6ers.

mattao313 · Post #367 » by **mattao313** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 1:17 am

I would be surprised if his shot didn't translate, he is a pure shooter.

My biggest concern would be his handle/shot creation. In the NBA it's rather important for the lead guard to be able to consistently create shots from nothing when running the offense is working or isn't an option.

Post #368 » by **Marcus** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 3:11 pm

Anybody else looking to answer some killer instinct intensity questions tonight in the Oregon rematch?

Post #369 » by **Slartibartfast** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 10:39 pm

Ball and Simmons would be great together, similar to Nash and Diaw/Marion or Kidd and Jefferson/K-Mart. Ball's not the most dynamic half-court creator so having a big man with Simmons speed and versatility to ease pressure/create gaps would really help him. Likewise, Simmons isn't a guy you want creating everything from 25 feet out, so having a shooting set-up guard will be very good for his half-court game. And you keep Embiid as the scoring focal point so both guys don't have to shoot more than they are comfortable with.

Vesper · Post #370 » by **Vesper** » Wed Feb 8, 2017 11:50 pm

Or you can be like all those quarterbacks in college with crap throwing form that beasted in college and fail in the PROS.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #371 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 6:10 pm

Ball would be a great fit for 76ers, they'd have 3 of my favourite modern players.

And would suit Brett Brown's Spurs influenced system.

Post #372 » by **Marcus** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 7:16 pm

Marcus wrote:Anybody else looking to answer some killer instinct intensity questions tonight in the Oregon rematch?

had my nights wrong. TONIGHT is the game.

RipCity71252 · Post #373 » by **RipCity71252** » Thu Feb 9, 2017 9:40 pm

Marcus wrote:
Marcus wrote:Anybody else looking to answer some killer instinct intensity questions tonight in the Oregon rematch?

had my nights wrong. TONIGHT is the game.

I am. Another chance to evaluate TJ Leaf against nba athleticism too.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #374 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:51 am

Only thing I'm looking for rest of season is developing that mid range shot, the rest is pretty well established.

WalterBenjamin · Post #375 » by **WalterBenjamin** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:54 am

I will say it first. He is not the passer people think he is.

Post #376 » by **Marcus** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:04 am

WalterBenjamin wrote:I will say it first. He is not the passer people think he is.

In your short time here you've made it pretty clear you don't like the kid.

WalterBenjamin · Post #377 » by **WalterBenjamin** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:20 am

Marcus wrote:
WalterBenjamin wrote:I will say it first. He is not the passer people think he is.

In your short time here you've made it pretty clear you don't like the kid.

Nothing against him. Hate the hype. If not for people he could be a great NBA player. Hype will kill him. His shot is real though.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #378 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:20 am

Does Ball have an extra gear when his team's down 12? You'd want your top 3 pick to be able to take the team on his back.

Post #379 » by **Marcus** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:23 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Does Ball have an extra gear when his team's down 12? You'd want your top 3 pick to be able to take the team on his back.

He's shown flashes with plays here and there but I don't think he's built with a complete take over switch.

treefi · Post #380 » by **treefi** » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:53 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Does Ball have an extra gear when his team's down 12? You'd want your top 3 pick to be able to take the team on his back.

Check