Luka Doncic

[Bob8]

Malcolm Delaney was an absolute beast in Euroleague last season.Went to Hawks and now is a so-so back up with bad stats(shooting 27% for 3 down from 40% in Euroleague).See one can play the" Bennet sucks in Euroleague" game in reverse and i dont think the results would be in euroleague favor.What would an NBA fan think of euroleague's level reading the news that Ognen Kuzmic who was waving towels in Warrios bench was Euroleagues January MVP?

As usual euro fans here overrate Euroleague's level.In fact between a mass exodus to NBA because of increasing salary cup(see Rodriguez,Satoransky,Delane,Saric etc) and China luring very good Us players, the level of current euroleague especially in guard positions is as watered down as ever.

Of course NBA is far better than Euroleague. But I'm really not talking about that. And Fultz are not NBA player yet. Or maybe you want to tell me, he can be a starter in Nba in this moment and has great numbers. What I was talking about is, that Euroleague teams are much better than NCAA teams. Let's compare Washington roster, http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/roster/_/id/264/washington-huskies to Real Madrid roster, http://www.euroleaguebasketball.net/competition/teams/showteam?clubcode=MAD&seasoncode=E2016. We really can't, do we?

Delaney case just shows how big are differences between some leagues and my point is, Fultz numbers would go dramatically down in Euroleague. Like Doncic's numbers will go in NBA. They will both need to adapt and only then we will see from what material they are made from.

If you read closely no one from Europe is saying Doncic will dominate in Nba. We're just saying he's very good at this moment, only 17 years old. But on the other hand there is this nonsense how Fultz can dominate in Euroleague right away. If he's so incredible good, how's his team is only 9-14 in NCAA?

[Sports Geek]

Where did you find Spanoulis? Doncic will get rising star award, they will give MVP to Llull if they really need someone from Real. But the main candidates are Nando and Teodosic.

CSKA was the dominant team back then, now is Real Madrid, later it could be Olympiacos or any other. Those votes could change with the final standings. I mentioned Spanoulis just as an example of what having a reputation means, he is always in the talk, no matter how he performs.

Real dominant? They have only one win more. Don't go behind Mirotic12 steps. Cska had big problems with their best players Nando and Teodosic. First Nando missed 8 games and then Teodosic missed 6 games. Now they are both back. Real, Cska, Oly and Fener will battle for first place, anything can happen. And even if Real will, like you say, dominate, they will give the reward to Llull. I like Doncic, but that's how the life in Europe works.

Real Madrid is one game ahead, they were 3 behind. 7 games winning streak including one over CSKA. So obviously, the team dominating the competition right now. CSKA has struggled a lot lately. Real Madrid was the best team, Olympiacos the second (in that streak).

[SportsGuy8]

Some new info coming out on his new contract. Real Madrid is aware that it will be too hard to keep him until 2020, especially with his rising draft stock. So supposedly it's possible that his release clause could even be triggered by him going high enough in the draft. This would then activate a minimum release clause so he can go to the NBA in 2019, that is now mentioned as the most likely option. Also his salary will rise to "star level" if he does sign a new one, to compensate him for the 1 year he would stay in Europe past the draft.

PS: Can't this Euroleague vs NCAA debate move to another topic? Or simply everyone just don't reply to those that think the Euroleague is trash and that the NCAA is equal or something, just ignore them.

Thanks for the info. I expected such a contract, it's probably a good compromise.

It also increases the probability of the Celtics drafting him, as they're the one team that probably won't mind that much to wait a year after drafting him. They even did the same with Bird. OMG, OMG, OMG, Doncic really IS Bird!!!

P.s.: I'm too stubborn.

[Goon]

Some new info coming out on his new contract. Real Madrid is aware that it will be too hard to keep him until 2020, especially with his rising draft stock. So supposedly it's possible that his release clause could even be triggered by him going high enough in the draft. This would then activate a minimum release clause so he can go to the NBA in 2019, that is now mentioned as the most likely option. Also his salary will rise to "star level" if he does sign a new one, to compensate him for the 1 year he would stay in Europe past the draft.

PS: Can't this Euroleague vs NCAA debate move to another topic? Or simply everyone just don't reply to those that think the Euroleague is trash and that the NCAA is equal or something, just ignore them.

Thanks for the info. I expected such a contract, it's probably a good compromise.

It also increases the probability of the Celtics drafting him, as they're the one team that probably won't mind that much to wait a year after drafting him. They even did the same with Bird. OMG, OMG, OMG, Doncic really IS Bird!!!

P.s.: I'm too stubborn.

I would not mind that at all. They will most likely be good in 2019 and he gets to a very well run team in 2019, that is not a bottom feeder. Brad Stevens is one of the best coaches IMO so I think he would know how to get the best out of Luka.

Besides Boston, my favorite options for him would be San Antonio (obviously) and Atlanta (due to Budhenholzer runs a similar sistem to San Antonio, team first mentality etc). ATL actually is a legit option if the lose Millsap and tank next season.

[SportsGuy8]

Some new info coming out on his new contract. Real Madrid is aware that it will be too hard to keep him until 2020, especially with his rising draft stock. So supposedly it's possible that his release clause could even be triggered by him going high enough in the draft. This would then activate a minimum release clause so he can go to the NBA in 2019, that is now mentioned as the most likely option. Also his salary will rise to "star level" if he does sign a new one, to compensate him for the 1 year he would stay in Europe past the draft.

PS: Can't this Euroleague vs NCAA debate move to another topic? Or simply everyone just don't reply to those that think the Euroleague is trash and that the NCAA is equal or something, just ignore them.

Thanks for the info. I expected such a contract, it's probably a good compromise.

It also increases the probability of the Celtics drafting him, as they're the one team that probably won't mind that much to wait a year after drafting him. They even did the same with Bird. OMG, OMG, OMG, Doncic really IS Bird!!!

P.s.: I'm too stubborn.

I would not mind that at all. They will most likely be good in 2019 and he gets to a very well run team in 2019, that is not a bottom feeder. Brad Stevens is one of the best coaches IMO so I think he would know how to get the best out of Luka.

Besides Boston, my favorite options for him would be San Antonio (obviously) and Atlanta (due to Budhenholzer runs a similar sistem to San Antonio, team first mentality etc). ATL actually is a legit option if the lose Millsap and tank next season.

Yeah, overall, Boston would definitely be a good destination. There's one problem, though. They already have Isaiah and they will probably get another PG this year (unless they draft Josh Jackson).

Among realistic destinations is probably also Dallas (they already have experience with European wunderkinds, ha) and Miami (maybe less so now after their recent winning streak; we'll see if they blow it up or not).

I don't think the Hawks are going to tank, though. I'm not completely sure, but I suspect they're not one of the teams that can easily afford a terrible, losing season. They're probably going to be a treadmill team for years to come.

[Juree93]

Some new info coming out on his new contract. Real Madrid is aware that it will be too hard to keep him until 2020, especially with his rising draft stock. So supposedly it's possible that his release clause could even be triggered by him going high enough in the draft. This would then activate a minimum release clause so he can go to the NBA in 2019, that is now mentioned as the most likely option. Also his salary will rise to "star level" if he does sign a new one, to compensate him for the 1 year he would stay in Europe past the draft.

PS: Can't this Euroleague vs NCAA debate move to another topic? Or simply everyone just don't reply to those that think the Euroleague is trash and that the NCAA is equal or something, just ignore them.

finally some relevant information. i second that Euroleague vs NCAA to move out of here. I kinda expected that clause that real would be pushing for it... can you post some source about that? i couldn't find anything.

Thanks.

edit: and yeah.. hype will only go up.. he has so many televised games on highest level so everyone can watch.. and i dont see him slowing down.. from everything i read, see about him everyone is describing him as hard working on and off the court. i cant wait for NT to see him alongside Dragic bros.

[Dr Positivity]

I guess he will be a superstar since the numbers are just that good, but the eye test is really hard to believe

[Bob8]

Some new info coming out on his new contract. Real Madrid is aware that it will be too hard to keep him until 2020, especially with his rising draft stock. So supposedly it's possible that his release clause could even be triggered by him going high enough in the draft. This would then activate a minimum release clause so he can go to the NBA in 2019, that is now mentioned as the most likely option. Also his salary will rise to "star level" if he does sign a new one, to compensate him for the 1 year he would stay in Europe past the draft.

PS: Can't this Euroleague vs NCAA debate move to another topic? Or simply everyone just don't reply to those that think the Euroleague is trash and that the NCAA is equal or something, just ignore them.

finally some relevant information. i second that Euroleague vs NCAA to move out of here. I kinda expected that clause that real would be pushing for it... can you post some source about that? i couldn't find anything.

Thanks.

edit: and yeah.. hype will only go up.. he has so many televised games on highest level so everyone can watch.. and i dont see him slowing down.. from everything i read, see about him everyone is describing him as hard working on and off the court. i cant wait for NT to see him alongside Dragic bros.

Here is something,

http://www.marca.com/baloncesto/acb/2017/02/07/5899585ae5fdea94118bf939.html

[Goon]

Some new info coming out on his new contract. Real Madrid is aware that it will be too hard to keep him until 2020, especially with his rising draft stock. So supposedly it's possible that his release clause could even be triggered by him going high enough in the draft. This would then activate a minimum release clause so he can go to the NBA in 2019, that is now mentioned as the most likely option. Also his salary will rise to "star level" if he does sign a new one, to compensate him for the 1 year he would stay in Europe past the draft.

PS: Can't this Euroleague vs NCAA debate move to another topic? Or simply everyone just don't reply to those that think the Euroleague is trash and that the NCAA is equal or something, just ignore them.

finally some relevant information. i second that Euroleague vs NCAA to move out of here. I kinda expected that clause that real would be pushing for it... can you post some source about that? i couldn't find anything.

Thanks.

edit: and yeah.. hype will only go up.. he has so many televised games on highest level so everyone can watch.. and i dont see him slowing down.. from everything i read, see about him everyone is describing him as hard working on and off the court. i cant wait for NT to see him alongside Dragic bros.

He posted it ↓

Here is something,

http://www.marca.com/baloncesto/acb/2017/02/07/5899585ae5fdea94118bf939.html

Yeah, overall, Boston would definitely be a good destination. There's one problem, though. They already have Isaiah and they will probably get another PG this year (unless they draft Josh Jackson).

Among realistic destinations is probably also Dallas (they already have experience with European wunderkinds, ha) and Miami (maybe less so now after their recent winning streak; we'll see if they blow it up or not).

I don't think the Hawks are going to tank, though. I'm not completely sure, but I suspect they're not one of the teams that can easily afford a terrible, losing season. They're probably going to be a treadmill team for years to come.

Thomas is 28 and relies on his superb quickness, in 2 years when Doncic comes over, they bring him along slowly then he takes over in a season or two, it's perfect.

Dallas is a good call yeah, I like Rick Carlisle. A Euro great retires, and an up and coming top Euro talent replaces him. Wunderbar.

I guess he will be a superstar since the numbers are just that good, but the eye test is really hard to believe

Strange, for me the eye test is the biggest part of why I like him so much.

[Bob8]

I guess he will be a superstar since the numbers are just that good, but the eye test is really hard to believe

Strange, for me the eye test is the biggest part of why I like him so much.[/quote]

Perception of Doncic is positive correlated with perception of Euroleague. If someone sees Euroleague as third class competition similar to NCAA, it's very difficult to see Doncic in good light. Because in Euroleague something like 35 points, 15 rebounds and 12 assists is simply impossible. Only one who recorded triple double in Euroleague history was Vujcic, twice. Against Maccabi Doncic had 10 points, 11 rebounds and 8 assists. 2 assists shy to become second player in Euroleague history with triple double! But it's impossible to explain to Americans how different this competition is from NCAA. And how different Euroleague rules are from Nba rules. First step without ball on the floor enables you to beat any opponent, and to look ridiculous fast, that's traveling in Euroleague. In Nba traveling is called very rare, even when is obvious player has traveled in Euroleague it's almost impossible to escape with traveling. Defense. In Euroleague everything is allowed in Nba not. And we could go on and on with differences. I think we should wait and see what Doncic and Fultz will be able to do in Nba and give final verdict after that. Imho it will be much more easy for Doncic to be integrated in some system, because Euroleague teams are all about systems, tactics, strategies and players doesn't have problems with that. On the long run Fultz may prove to have bigger talent, or maybe both will fail, who knows.

[UcanUwill]

For me, he wasn't passing the eye test initially too, but you can clearly see his handle improve in recent games and he looks more and more intriguing. I am starting to believe this guy can be special, his obvious progress is what sets my status to optimistic.

I also became more optimistic after researching tops prospects of this years draft. I was watching Fultz and thinking, hes really not doing anything Doncic couldn't do, if this guy is so highly rated, so why couldn't Doncic?

[cloudXXI]

I guess he will be a superstar since the numbers are just that good, but the eye test is really hard to believe

No one knows if he´s going to be a superstar or not.

What we know is that he´s better than any european player was at his age since Petrovic: Pau, Marc, Dirk, Porzinguis, Jokic, Anteteokoumpo, Parker....

P.D: A highlights video I have just found:

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[Mirotic12]

A good D1 team with a bunch of seniors and a couple lotto prospects could easily hit .250 or .300 in Euroleague play. I've seen some of these teams, it doesn't matter how old you are, a team like last years Nova or two years ago Duke would absolutely slaughter some of these EL teams. You just couldn't defend some of these kids.

There are 30 games in the EuroLeague regular season. So you are claiming that a good college team could easily win 8-9 games in the EuroLeague, going 8-22 or 9-21, easily for just some good college team.

This is extremely ridiculous. I am sorry, but it is.

I remember just watching Oregon and UCLA not too long ago and Tyler Dorsey and Dillon Brooks are two of the best players on the court in the game...no disrespect to them, as they are both good young players, but let's get serious here.

Neither one of them could see a minute of playing time in any even half way decent EuroLeague team. UcanUwill claims I am overrating EuroLeague and underrating US basketball. No, I am being OBJECTIVE, TRUTHFULL, and REALISTIC.

You are simply totally going into extreme exaggeration, if you think some good college team is winning 8-9 games in EuroLeague. This is absolutely laughable to me and then some.

I'm gonna go out on a limb that if you don't realize the prospect difference between Fultz and AB (pre NBA) then you probably don't watch much american basketball. Which is fine, but when you say "LOL ANTHONY BENNETT GOT CUT IN EUROLEAGUE CLEARLY EUROLEAGUE IS AWESOME" it makes us all shake our heads.

AB was a surprise #1 overall pick in a super weak prospect class. Fultz is the head-and-shoulders #1 pick in possibly one of the best draft classes of all time. AB had a tiny chance to become an All-star level PF. Fultz has a decent shot of becoming James Harden.

We understand that Doncic is maybe the best prospect to come out of Europe -- that's fine. But when you compare him to Rubio... well... no one gives a crap if you're a better prospect than a non top-20 PG in the NBA. There's 5-6 players just at the top of the 2017 draft class that are gonna be way better than Rubio.

He's not. I can't imagine how someone thinks he would be a better prospective talent than Sabonis, Kukoc, Porzingis, Cosic, Dirk, Pau, and guys like that. 7 footers with great skills and that are decent athletically are definitely better prospective talents than someone like Doncic is. We are talking about the word "prospect" here, as you use it - no way Doncic is best prospect out of Europe. Not even in recent years. He's definitely a better player than any of them at his age, but that's not the same thing as a purely prospective young talent.

About Rubio...how many times does it have to be explained here that he was never a good player in Spanish League, EuroLeague, or Spanish national team? Why is he ever used as a standard player template for young European players? Can we please actually use European players that were actually good players? Rubio was a hyped youth player - he was never actually a good player at any time as a senior level pro. Doncic is already a good pro player. Why can't you see the difference? Rubio hasn't even been a semi decent player for Spain in FIBA tournaments.

I agree with most parts of your post. Not with this one though. Only Rudy and Llull play significant more minutes than Doncic in Real Madrid, mostly because it is maybe the deepest team in the league. Doncic is sharing a second minutes' pack with Ayon and Randolph. Who could be the contender for Real Madrid for the MVP Award? Maybe the biggest one would be Llull (better total numbers and a better status as a star for years), then Doncic (better per 40 numbers), then Ayón (close to Doncic's per 40 but less clutch, he barely plays in 4th quarters).

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/teams/showteam?clubcode=MAD&seasoncode=E2016#!stats

In the end, MVP Award is about promoting the competition. Does someone doubt that Spanoulis would be the MVP of the season if Olympiacos ends up in the first place? Even when his PIR is not the top in his team (not even in the league's top 30). But he is Spanoulis, that's marketing. Because of the same reason, Doncic could be the MVP of the season. He is really marketable (so young and even he looks good) and Euroleague would be trending topic if that happens.

The funny thing is that Spanoulis is in everybody's mind when we talk about an MVP Award averaging a 12.53 PIR and a 18.79 per 40, while Doncic has a 13.90 PIR and 28.96 per 40, much better numbers than the eternal superstar (and most overrated one ever). I mention Doncic as one of the contenders for the MVP if he keeps doing like this, and I am crazy.

I don't think you understand what an MVP is, even one in EuroLeague terms. EuroLeague MVP is voted on by the fans, and that fan vote gets counted as 5 votes, while the media just once, although the media gets more votes. Basically the guy winning the online fan vote has the great chance to win MVP. Maybe Doncic gets the fan vote - I doubt it, considering Lithuanian, Serbian, Turkish voters are always stuffing the fan vote every year for their players. Americans also do that, but they almost always do it for American players.

Anyway...the media vote isn't going to anyone averaging 9 points and 4 assists a game. If you think that, you simply have no clue as to what a league MVP is.

Same way you mention Spanoulis. How in the world is Spanoulis getting any votes? Yes, he is the best player on Olympiacos. Yes, his team has the tied for 2nd best record, and could easily end up first looking at the schedules...So? How does that put him as league MVP when he has been playing injured the entire season?

He has played the whole season with a severe thigh injury (torn thigh muscles underneath the top layer), and he's often sitting on the bench in games in key minutes because of that, or flat out sitting out games due to that. When he does play his motion is limited and he usually does not play for long stretches either.

The media knows all about the fact he played with that bad injury all season, as well as a deep knee contusion also. You can see how Olympiacos is very careful with his minutes, and so forth. You think the media is voting Spanoulis MVP just because he is the best player on Olympiacos if they get first place, despite he's been injured all season? No. They are not.

Same with the media is not voting a teenager with 9 points and 4 assists numbers as MVP, because his team has a good record.

[SportsGuy8]

For me, he wasn't passing the eye test initially too, but you can clearly see his handle improve in recent games and he looks more and more intriguing. I am starting to believe this guy can be special, his obvious progress is what sets my status to optimistic.

I also became more optimistic after researching tops prospects of this years draft. I was watching Fultz and thinking, hes really not doing anything Doncic couldn't do, if this guy is so highly rated, so why couldn't Doncic?

Yeah, exactly. Fultz seems a lot more athletically fluid (just the way he moves), so his physical abilities are easier to spot (and that's sadly the main thing people look at), but this can be deceiving. You also can't teach height, 4 inches is quite a difference, not even mentioning that Fultz is a lot more likely to have stopped growing.

I'm also starting to think that maybe we're all wrong and Doncic is not even close to the player he's going to be. He keeps showing more and more things, his improvement from last year is undeniable. What if he makes another jump like that?

Maybe it's highly unfair to him to say "oh, he's already a made player, there's not much room in his game and/or body to grow anymore". We're basically faulting him for already being so good, for being so well ahead of the curve ...

[SportsGuy8]

UcanUwill claims I am overrating EuroLeague and underrating US basketball. No, I am being OBJECTIVE, TRUTHFULL, and REALISTIC.

Saying that "There is not a single NCAA Division I team that would not go 0-30 in the EuroLeague regular season. And I am 100% positive of that." is neither objective, truthful, nor realistic.

It's one thing to say that you don't think any NCAA team would be able to get a win, but to be "100% positive of that"? I don't think you realize what kind of strength differential would warrant that ...

You're basically being the same as those Team USA fanboys that kept saying over the summer that there's no way any other team has a chance and that they're going to cruise through the whole tournament, with no chance of anyone beating them. Yes, they ended up undefeated, but that was after a few serious scares ...

You're correct in other regards, though. As a prospect, Doncic is simply not on the level of Sabonis, Dirk, Pau ... But even as a player, he's either going to have to work like crazy to get on their level, like Drazen Petrovic, for example, or fully transform into an athletic Bodiroga.

[Bob8]

I'm gonna go out on a limb that if you don't realize the prospect difference between Fultz and AB (pre NBA) then you probably don't watch much american basketball. Which is fine, but when you say "LOL ANTHONY BENNETT GOT CUT IN EUROLEAGUE CLEARLY EUROLEAGUE IS AWESOME" it makes us all shake our heads.

AB was a surprise #1 overall pick in a super weak prospect class. Fultz is the head-and-shoulders #1 pick in possibly one of the best draft classes of all time. AB had a tiny chance to become an All-star level PF. Fultz has a decent shot of becoming James Harden.

[b]We understand that Doncic is maybe the best prospect to come out of Europe -- that's fine. But when you compare him to Rubio... well... no one gives a crap if you're a better prospect than a non top-20 PG in the NBA. There's 5-6 players just at the top of the 2017 draft class that are gonna be way better than Rubio.

He's not. I can't imagine how someone thinks he would be a better prospective talent than Sabonis, Kukoc, Porzingis, Cosic, Dirk, Pau, and guys like that. 7 footers with great skills and that are decent athletically are definitely better prospective talents than someone like Doncic is. We are talking about the word "prospect" here, as you use it - no way Doncic is best prospect out of Europe. Not even in recent years. He's definitely a better player than any of them at his age, but that's not the same thing as a purely prospective young talent.

About Rubio...how many times does it have to be explained here that he was never a good player in Spanish League, EuroLeague, or Spanish national team? Why is he ever used as a standard player template for young European players? Can we please actually use European players that were actually good players? Rubio was a hyped youth player - he was never actually a good player at any time as a senior level pro. Doncic is already a good pro player. Why can't you see the difference? Rubio hasn't even been a semi decent player for Spain in FIBA tournaments.

This "prospect" thing is more or less wild guessing and always favors big and/or athletic guys, because this's the only thing we can foretell. Why nobody has predicted how good Curry will be? Because he doesn't fit in what prospects should look like. What has Doncic that nobody else has at this moment? He has already showed he can play with professionals in a good competition. He's one of the best players of Real Madrid and statistically one of the best players in Euroleague. Nobody else in the world did that at his age ever. To do that you have to have great talent. I heard fairytales that he is so good at his age because he has great body, like 25 years old man and that's the reason he is so good. His body is o.k., but to say he has advantage because of it over other Euroleague players is ridiculous. He will need years to develop body in what it should/could be. What else do we know about him? He's 6.8 and still growing. We heard he is too slow for Pg and that speed is more or less genetic. He surely can't run like Bolt, but some adjustments can be done on this field too. On the other hand, can 18 years 6.4 great prospect still grow?;) Leaving other considerations aside, would you rather have 6.8 pg or 6.4? Doncic is 17 years old, big for his position, great body frame, still growing, has great talent, great BBIQ, great court vision, playing in the best league player at his age possible could, is important member of the best team in Europe, he already showed he is a clutch player too, is intelligent, his father was good basketball player, so his genetics is great too,and maybe the most important thing, he has great work ethic and respect. Because of his great work ethic I'm 100% sure he will make big improvements in his physique and skills. What else do you possibly want from prospect? And now tell me why he's not better prospect than let's say Dirk. What had Dirk when he was 17 to be considered better prospect than Doncic?

P.s. It's highly unlikely Spanoulis would have play with torn muscle. He has some kind of muscle strain, grade 1 or maybe grade 2. He's going to play this week. His biggest problem is, he's getting old and try to play like he used to. He can't anymore. And then we have, 29% 3FG and http://www.euroleague.net/main/statistics?mode=Leaders&entity=Players&seasonmode=Single&seasoncode=E2016&cat=Turnovers&agg=PerMinute

[Sports Geek]

This "prospect" thing is more or less wild guessing and always favors big and/or athletic guys, because this's the only thing we can foretell. Why nobody has predicted how good Curry will be? Because he doesn't fit in what prospects should look like. What has Doncic that nobody else has at this moment? He has already showed he can play with professionals in a good competition. He's one of the best players of Real Madrid and statistically one of the best players in Euroleague. Nobody else in the world did that at his age ever. To do that you have to have great talent. I heard fairytales that he is so good at his age because he has great body, like 25 years old man and that's the reason he is so good. His body is o.k., but to say he has advantage because of it over other Euroleague players is ridiculous. He will need years to develop body in what it should/could be. What else do we know about him? He's 6.8 and still growing. We heard he is too slow for Pg and that speed is more or less genetic. He surely can't run like Bolt, but some adjustments can be done on this field too. On the other hand, can 18 years 6.4 great prospect still grow?;) Leaving other considerations aside, would you rather have 6.8 pg or 6.4? Doncic is 17 years old, big for his position, great body frame, still growing, has great talent, great BBIQ, great court vision, playing in the best league player at his age possible could, is important member of the best team in Europe, he already showed he is a clutch player too, is intelligent, his father was good basketball player, so his genetics is great too,and maybe the most important thing, he has great work ethic and respect. Because of his great work ethic I'm 100% sure he will make big improvements in his physique and skills. What else do you possibly want from prospect? And now tell me why he's not better prospect than let's say Dirk. What had Dirk when he was 17 to be considered better prospect than Doncic?

And his mom was a dance World Champion, that's why he is not only big and strong like his father, his mother has elite coordination too. Luckily he is big like dad and coordinated like mom, not vice versa

[SportsGuy8]

This "prospect" thing is more or less wild guessing and always favors big and/or athletic guys, because this's the only thing we can foretell. Why nobody has predicted how good Curry will be? Because he doesn't fit in what prospects should look like. What has Doncic that nobody else has at this moment? He has already showed he can play with professionals in a good competition. He's one of the best players of Real Madrid and statistically one of the best players in Euroleague. Nobody else in the world did that at his age ever. To do that you have to have great talent. I heard fairytales that he is so good at his age because he has great body, like 25 years old man and that's the reason he is so good. His body is o.k., but to say he has advantage because of it over other Euroleague players is ridiculous. He will need years to develop body in what it should/could be. What else do we know about him? He's 6.8 and still growing. We heard he is too slow for Pg and that speed is more or less genetic. He surely can't run like Bolt, but some adjustments can be done on this field too. On the other hand, can 18 years 6.4 great prospect still grow?;) Leaving other considerations aside, would you rather have 6.8 pg or 6.4? Doncic is 17 years old, big for his position, great body frame, still growing, has great talent, great BBIQ, great court vision, playing in the best league player at his age possible could, is important member of the best team in Europe, he already showed he is a clutch player too, is intelligent, his father was good basketball player, so his genetics is great too,and maybe the most important thing, he has great work ethic and respect. Because of his great work ethic I'm 100% sure he will make big improvements in his physique and skills. What else do you possibly want from prospect? And now tell me why he's not better prospect than let's say Dirk. What had Dirk when he was 17 to be considered better prospect than Doncic?

And his mom was a dance World Champion, that's why he is not only big and strong as his father, his mother has elite coordination too. Luckily he is big as dad and coordinated as mom, not vice versa

Ha ha, touché. Papa Doncic was extremely strong for his height, but he lacked in fluidity and coordination. There's a good word in Slovenian for it - "hlod".

[Sir Psycho Sexy]

If you didn't watch him this game you missed something special. He plays like a 25 yo

[UcanUwill]

yeah I watched. He wasn't scoring at all, but his impact is undeniable. Made some sweat passes and had a very clutch rebound and basket near the end there.