Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[gambitx777]

I think Deron Williams might be had for some seconds or a 2019 first. He is no more and probably less valuable than korver, thats what korver went for. a 2019 protected first. I would imagine if you gave up an unprotected 2018 they would take nicholson, and give up Williams. plus it gets them some breathing room from the tax this year. nicholson for harris can't work cuz they are too close to the tax and dont have any reasonable filler options to toss our way. burke and a second for harris might work and they can just cut him and save some cash this year and next, puts the hurt on us and probably forces us to trade nicholson somewhere else for an expiring. I would love a way to get devin harris he seems like a better burke option and it would be a nice reunion story. maybe a nicholson burke and thornton and 2 seconds or a 2019 first for bogout and harris trade would work gets them further away from the tax this year dumps a locker room issue and gets some assets for aging vets, and it will ultimately save us like 2-3 mill next year and 12 mill the next 2 after that. gives us a quality back up PG, mahinmi injury insurance and opens a spot to sign a guy off the street that gets bought out or cut, cuz I think we will still be a few mil under the tax after that. IDK

[deneem4]

Wiz trade nicholson 17 1st
Wiz get McDermott/Portis

Bulls trade McDermott/portis
Bulls get okafor

Philly trade okafor
Philly gets our 17 1st, nicholson,

Wiz trade smith, burke 2019 1st and 2nd
Wiz get barton, oquinn

Nuggets trade barton, nurkic
Nuggets get smith, wiz 2019 1st, wiz 2019 2nd

New York trades Jennings, o'quinn
New York gets burke, nurkic

Wall/jennings/sato
Beal/barton/McDermott
Portrr/oubre/
Morris/portis/o'quinn
Gortat/mahinmi/o'quinn

Playoff ready...
Go into offseason with the same amount of the current cap
O'Quinn and Portis are locked in until oubre

If Mahinmi looks go he can probably be moved this off season to get sone picks back

Well no one can say you aren't using your imagination, deneem!

Don't we all

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I'm thinking Nicholson+Burke and a 2nd rounder for Brandon Knight is an option also.

I have faith that Knight can become decent again on a good team. There's a lot of nice combo guards that can fit with Satoransky, Knight and Collison are my top targets I think. Evans and Barton also in the mix. Avoid LOU Williams at all costs. What you think pif?

For a guy to become decent again, one would have to assume he was decent at some point in the past. Knight has never been decent. He's had ample opportunity to jack up shots freely which helped him display a nice looking PPG but usually with poor efficiency, ineffective half court play & brutally poor defense. You bash Wall at every given opportunity for taking bad shots yet you want literally one of the worst shot jackers in the league to back him up??? Makes zero sense to me.

Williams in his worst seasons has been better than Knight at his 'best'. Williams has played like a top 15 guard this season. Knight is arguably been the worse. Explain why Knight is somehow the better option and worth paying the luxury tax for?

Lou Williams has had some horrible seasons where he doesn't even shoot 40%, he is the ultimate chucker, and we all know he's trash defensively and isn't a true point guard. He's having his best season of his career this year on a bad team, chance he comes back down to earth.

But my trade was centered around a 2nd round pick being moved for a player who's value is at an all time low, a Lou Williams trade would require a 1st rounder for a player with his value at an all time high. Knight is also younger and under contract longer. We would obviously have to free up cap space this offseason, but the Lux tax SHOULD be gone into if this team challenges the cavs in the ECF this year.

Use the pick for a young power forward on a dirt cheap contract. And just so you know, knight's last season as a point guard, he averaged 18-4-5 on 44%-40%-88% and 1.6 steals per game. Not sure how that isn't "decent"

Your points about Lou are salient. As to Knight, he did have one good season ('14-15 w/ the Bucks) but has been pretty awful otherwise. It just wouldn't be wise to bet on him given the $$$ he has guaranteed for so many years.

I'm not really interested in either of these guys.

[gambitx777]

Pif lets say we do find a Mahinmi trade (lets not talk about the likely hood of that) how would moving him effect team chemistry? like these guys seem like a pretty tight groups, other that the beal/wall alpha dog stuff and gortats general gortatness. I doubt moving burke would hurt any ones feelings nicholson either. Thornton is probably not going to up set anyone. But mahinmi? IDK they just seem tight with him? Or would guys be ok with him being moved because they might think hes too over paid for what he does?

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Pif let me ask you something, I know a lot of people dismissed my logic on the plumlee deal being the reason mahinmi could be traded. that point can be contested. But, does that logic not work fine with nicholson. What was plumlee, a young healthy underachieving over paid player. what is nicholson a young healthy underachieving over paid player, but on a much cheaper deal....

I think the main point is that they really aren't equivalent in the way you describe. Before this year, Plumlee had played @3000 minutes & been very productive. Moreover, he'd gotten better each year, & last year he was extremely productive. Which is why he got a fairly rich new deal. I'd say there's some chance that he'll live up to that deal. Some chance -- not predicting it, not in a position to say either way. But, in the NBA past performance is the best indicator of future performance (tho not 100%).

NIcholson has never had a good season. He's always been bad.

...Darron Williams or JJ from dallas for nicholson and a second or two would probably get the deal done. They have so many PGs on the roaster and their PF depth is thin powell and dirk are all they got. They won't resign him next year in all likely hood why not move him and get something out of him. ...

Well, for starters, because the $6m cap room is more valuable than Nicholson.

On ibaka, if he can play some center minutes, you can play him 25-30 minutes off the bench and not upset the chemistry of the team. he would hold down our bench in rebounding and help the defense a lot and not hurt our cap next year. if we can talk them into Nicholson and burke and a 2018 or 2019 pick. ...Why not rent him to make a run...?

Again, they thought Nicholson was worthless; they aren't going to re-acquire him on his current contract. & I have no interest in trading a R1 pick for a 3-month rental. W/o the pick(s), you bet! But of course that's not in the cards.

Same with the Lou williams deal, if you can get them to take Nicholson and a 2018 unprotected first. don't you do it, they might not but if they do why not do that trade....

I must come off as quite a spoil sport, huh?!? I'd very likely do that deal if it also brought back Nance. Otherwise not a chance.

...would you shop burke and something like a second around to see if you could pick up a guy like Caspi or the other morris brother or sign derrick williams and just cut burke? ...

Marcus Morris is not a good player, Casspi is not a good player. Derrick Williams is not a good player (& was just signed to a 10-day). Under no circumstance would I give up any future asset whatever for a player of their caliber. No asset. Not the 55th pick in a draft 5 years from now. Not Sheldon McClellan.

Like im wondering if you would be willings to trade 1 future pick first and some seconds to upgrade the bench if its not involving our 2017. cuz seconds while valuable can be bought and 1 first is not leveraging to much of our future.

"Upgrade the bench" is too vague. Obviously, there is *somebody* out there I'd trade a R1 pick for! For that matter, there's somebody out there I'd trade John Wall for! Anybody can be traded; it's just a matter of what the deal is.

But I wouldn't be oriented around "how do we get better for the next few months." I'd be focused on how do we continue to build to be better over the long term. We had a great game vs. the Cavs the other night, but we are not a threat to win the EC this year. W/ or w/o Lou Williams or Ibaka or both. Not lowering future possibilities to get a little closer now to something that would still be out of reach.

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I wonder how eager Dallas will be to jettison aging vets and add some youth. Would they consider trading a 33-year-old Darren Collison for Nicholson? Collision has one year left on his deal at $4.4M.

Dallas has no big men under contract next year unless they take the team option on Dirk's $25M contract. Given their record and relative lack of promise, I don't think they'll be successful getting good bigs on reasonable contracts in free agency. They might look favorably upon a young big like Nicholson who doesn't break the bank.

Or maybe I'm just deluding myself.

Maybe stayed up too late.
36 year old Nick Collison on Oklahome City?
29 year old Darren Collison on Sacramento?

I meant Devin Harris.

Better yet... in your first paragraph you refer to him as "Collision."

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Pif lets say we do find a Mahinmi trade (lets not talk about the likely hood of that) how would moving him effect team chemistry? like these guys seem like a pretty tight groups, other that the beal/wall alpha dog stuff and gortats general gortatness. I doubt moving burke would hurt any ones feelings nicholson either. Thornton is probably not going to up set anyone. But mahinmi? IDK they just seem tight with him? Or would guys be ok with him being moved because they might think hes too over paid for what he does?

From what I can tell (which doesn't amount to much, in truth), all NBA players seem like a fraternity, a band of brothers. You see the way they greet each other, hug & chat, before games & after, that's what it looks like to me.

Makes sense too, given that lots of these guys have known each other since they were young teenagers. They're much closer to one another than any of them are to a GM or owner -- some old guy who with whom they haven't gone through the kinds of things they do w/ each other. Obviously, there are exceptions, there are players who dislike each other -- but even there, the intensity of that is kind of like the exception that proves the rule if you see what I mean.

So, nah, I doubt it'd bother anyone if e.g. Mahinmi were traded. Really, they're used to that kind of thing, insulated against it. In fact, I would think you can't afford to get too involved in that way, as your teammates do move on; you may move on yourself. There's a lot of present tense intensity in the "team" -- you see it in the way guys react from the bench when a teammate does something big on the court. But, keep in mind, if you make it to the NBA, even as the least player in the league, you have been a competitor your whole life; you are very in to winning! Maybe this year for the Wizards & next year over the Wizards! (Think of Paul Pierce).

Just my thoughts. Make sense?

[deneem4]

Our best way to make it to the finals....
As well as adding young cheap longer term depth

But we have to give up some picks to the knicks
Maybe our 2017 1st and a 2019 2nd


Wiz trade burke, thronton, smith
Wiz get McDermott, Portis, jennings, o'quinn

Bulls trade McDermott, portis, mirotic, rondo
Bulls get Melo, smith, Thornton

New York trades Jennings, o'quinn, melo
New York gets burke, rondo, mirotic

Wall/jennings/sato
Beal/McDermott
Porter/oubre/
Morris/portis/nicholson
Gortat/mahinmi/o'quinn

2nd unit becomes the best bench in the league

We roll the dice hope the Bulls get 4th or 5th seed which should be easy with that lineup...
With an improved bench we should be able to stay 2nd or 3rd...let Bulls and cavs beat each other up...while we sweep the celtics
Meet golden state show them the real small ball death squad...2017 nba championship

[gambitx777]

Pif lets say we do find a Mahinmi trade (lets not talk about the likely hood of that) how would moving him effect team chemistry? like these guys seem like a pretty tight groups, other that the beal/wall alpha dog stuff and gortats general gortatness. I doubt moving burke would hurt any ones feelings nicholson either. Thornton is probably not going to up set anyone. But mahinmi? IDK they just seem tight with him? Or would guys be ok with him being moved because they might think hes too over paid for what he does?

From what I can tell (which doesn't amount to much, in truth), all NBA players seem like a fraternity, a band of brothers. You see the way they greet each other, hug & chat, before games & after, that's what it looks like to me.

Makes sense too, given that lots of these guys have known each other since they were young teenagers. They're much closer to one another than any of them are to a GM or owner -- some old guy who with whom they haven't gone through the kinds of things they do w/ each other. Obviously, there are exceptions, there are players who dislike each other -- but even there, the intensity of that is kind of like the exception that proves the rule if you see what I mean.

So, nah, I doubt it'd bother anyone if e.g. Mahinmi were traded. Really, they're used to that kind of thing, insulated against it. In fact, I would think you can't afford to get too involved in that way, as your teammates do move on; you may move on yourself. There's a lot of present tense intensity in the "team" -- you see it in the way guys react from the bench when a teammate does something big on the court. But, keep in mind, if you make it to the NBA, even as the least player in the league, you have been a competitor your whole life; you are very in to winning! Maybe this year for the Wizards & next year over the Wizards! (Think of Paul Pierce).

Just my thoughts. Make sense?

Absolutely just wanted an opinion on that. I doubt it would be much of an issue either TBH but I was just thinking about it.
IDK im just torn, like i like thinking of stuff and ideas but yeah we could ride this thing we have now and hope a health mahinmi fixes our bench rebounding and rim defense. but we still have no fire power off the bench, barring nor injuries, knock on wood, we can probably go to the ECF like we are right now. IDk. Id like to get some fire power on the bench. Id like to have a shot at Cleveland to be honest. IDK im just eternal hopeful.

[nate33]

Our best way to make it to the finals....
As well as adding young cheap longer term depth

But we have to give up some picks to the knicks
Maybe our 2017 1st and a 2019 2nd


Wiz trade burke, thronton, smith
Wiz get McDermott, Portis, jennings, o'quinn

Bulls trade McDermott, portis, mirotic, rondo
Bulls get Melo, smith, Thornton

New York trades Jennings, o'quinn, melo
New York gets burke, rondo, mirotic

Wall/jennings/sato
Beal/McDermott
Porter/oubre/
Morris/portis/nicholson
Gortat/mahinmi/o'quinn

2nd unit becomes the best bench in the league

We roll the dice hope the Bulls get 4th or 5th seed which should be easy with that lineup...
With an improved bench we should be able to stay 2nd or 3rd...let Bulls and cavs beat each other up...while we sweep the celtics
Meet golden state show them the real small ball death squad...2017 nba championship

Deep benches win you regular season games, not playoff games. Wall, Beal and Porter are going to play 40-44 minutes a game in the playoffs, unless it's a blowout or there's foul trouble. Morris and Gortat will play 36. Oubre and Mahinmi should combine to handle all of the bench minutes at SF, PF and C. Your acquisitions, Portis and O'Quinn, probably wouldn't even play.

The only move that is likely to help us is one that gives us a backup guard better than Sato. Doing anything else is just wasting future draft picks for no reason.

[deneem4]

Our best way to make it to the finals....
As well as adding young cheap longer term depth

But we have to give up some picks to the knicks
Maybe our 2017 1st and a 2019 2nd


Wiz trade burke, thronton, smith
Wiz get McDermott, Portis, jennings, o'quinn

Bulls trade McDermott, portis, mirotic, rondo
Bulls get Melo, smith, Thornton

New York trades Jennings, o'quinn, melo
New York gets burke, rondo, mirotic

Wall/jennings/sato
Beal/McDermott
Porter/oubre/
Morris/portis/nicholson
Gortat/mahinmi/o'quinn

2nd unit becomes the best bench in the league

We roll the dice hope the Bulls get 4th or 5th seed which should be easy with that lineup...
With an improved bench we should be able to stay 2nd or 3rd...let Bulls and cavs beat each other up...while we sweep the celtics
Meet golden state show them the real small ball death squad...2017 nba championship

Deep benches win you regular season games, not playoff games. Wall, Beal and Porter are going to play 40-44 minutes a game in the playoffs, unless it's a blowout or there's foul trouble. Morris and Gortat will play 36. Oubre and Mahinmi should combine to handle all of the bench minutes at SF, PF and C. Your acquisitions, Portis and O'Quinn, probably wouldn't even play.

The only move that is likely to help us is one that gives us a backup guard better than Sato. Doing anything else is just wasting future draft picks for no reason.

We need a deep bench considering our injury proness (knock on wood)
We already looked gassed and we have a tougher schedule after the break
Oubre and Mahinmi are foul machines..o'quinn is definitely a serviceable backup who can battle with Thompson if we see that game...maybe portis length can bother love...

It's good to have a bench for different matchups in the playoffs...I agree wall beal porter oubre will get bulk of the minutes but mahinmi performance isn't guaranteed..gortat need more rest as well..o'quinn is better than Smith by miles...

Hard to believe a wizards fan dont agree about bettering the bench with young guys under cheap contracts for the next 2 years...yea we lose a pick but as long as eg picking we most likely lose one anyway...
Better than trading the pick for a mediocre rental...

Not to mentiom we get the great Bobby portis who half the board soured over...Brooks might can make something out of him

[NatP4]

Sato can be our playoff 3rd guard. Mahinmi oubre Otto and Keef can handle the bench frontcourt minutes.

We only used OTTO, sessions, Nene with gooden and seraphin here and there last playoffs. Only need one more rotation guy for the playoffs IMO

[deneem4]

Sato can be our playoff 3rd guard. Mahinmi oubre Otto and Keef can handle the bench frontcourt minutes.

We only used OTTO, sessions, Nene with gooden and seraphin here and there last playoffs. Only need one more rotation guy for the playoffs IMO

That's equals to oubre sato mahinmi Smith and nicholson?? Here and there...
Nah I don't think that would work

We need some type of goto scoring off the bench a credible shooter and a strong rebounder.

[dangermouse]

I like the idea of bringing Vesely back and having him learn from Jason Smith. It's unfortunate timing for Vesely that he washed out of the NBA before he got the chance to play with Smith. You know he wouldn't have been afraid of the FT line if some of JSmith's immense swagger had rubbed off on him.

You don't "learn" from Smith. Except learning that you can't be the GOAT.

[gambitx777]

I wonder if they would bite one a Monroe+terry for 2017 second and 2018 first for Mahinmi and burke? Parker being out for so long might have them wanting to go for some extra picks this year and next.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Can't do it. It causes huge luxtax ramifications next year.

It's not worth avoiding. If you want to do basically anything next year minus relying on rookie and vet min additions, we're going to have cap issues with an Otto max.

Ted is just going to have to pay up.

Ted on the luxury tax:

Let's be clear about the luxury tax -- the new CBA truly has draconian penalties for those who exceed it in the out years. We have no intentions of doing so; it just doesn't make sense to us.

He may have changed his mind on it but I'd assume it's not something he's too keen on. This is the same guy that recently complained about having the worst arena deal in the league. Expecting Ted to "pay up" maybe expecting too much. Just like most businessmen he cares deeply about the bottom line in dollars & cents.

Even if he was to "pay up", Faried seems like a poor fit schematically for what we want to do offensively and he's never been a stout defender either. I don't see Faried as a guy that moves the needle. He'd be an upgrade depth wise, but not a cost-efficient one.

Otto's getting paid. Count on it.

Ted went to Georgetown. So did Otto.

No, I don't see the going over the cap to sign Faried; but, I can EASILY see a trade of Nicholson, Burke, Thornton and either Gortat or Mahinmi IF it were to acquire Boogie Cousins. I can't see Faried for anything the Wizards have to offer.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I like the idea of bringing Vesely back and having him learn from Jason Smith. It's unfortunate timing for Vesely that he washed out of the NBA before he got the chance to play with Smith. You know he wouldn't have been afraid of the FT line if some of JSmith's immense swagger had rubbed off on him.

#FireBrooksHireSmith

That whole sequence of posts is HOF material!!

Still, though, I did miss references to Kevin Seraphin, JaVale, & GRIII.

I would absolutely LOVE to have Vesely back on this team. He's much better than what people think IMO.

He's a wimp at the FT line; but, other than that, he's an energy player and closer to Draymond Green than any other Wizard with the exception of Kelly Oubre.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'm against any trade that brings in bigs to try and block Jason Smith. In fact, I'm for trading Gortat, Morris, and Mahinmi for guards so that we can get MORE Jason Smith. With him we really only need the one big.

I just fixed our bench AND got Smith in the starting lineup! Would NY throw in that super tall lanky white dude?

Gortat, Morris, Mahinimi, Burke and #1 for Melo, Noah & Rose. Rose can have his super team coming off the bench.


Wall/Rose
Beal/Sat
Porter/KellyO
J.Smith/Melo
Noah/Ochefu

You're tryna kill me. Even joking of such ...

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Kyle o'quinn can be our draymond...

15/13/3ast/3blocks 54% TS per 36 (also shot 27% on 3s 1 season)
114/105 ratings

With that being said 2 trades to make it happen

Top 20 pro 17 1st for oquinn
Don't be mad at me for this next 1

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jlhwxs2

And New York get our 2nd

As everybody here knows, I am high on O'Quinn -- wanted him w/ our wasted late '12 R2 pick. Comparing him to Draymond is a little much, deneem, but he's good & I'd love to have him. But I'm not ready to give a R1 pick for him.

Your other trade: O'Quinn for Burke is a steal, & I don't mind Jennings in this deal, because he's expiring (with O'Quinn we don't need GOAT Smith). Including Noah for Mahinmi is neither here nor there: one big risk for another big risk. W/o that part I do it in a minute. But... would NY do it?

If we can make a combination of moves getting O'quinn cheaply and then dump Mahinmi (assuming he proves he's in good shape) on a team like New Orleans (I think he'd complement Davis well), it'd be a great savings in lux tax. Mahinmi makes 16 mil a year, whil O'Q makes a little over 4 mil a year for 2 more years - more than 11 mil difference.

Or, keep Mahinmi and watch him beast in the playoffs; along with Gortat.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wiz trade nicholson 17 1st
Wiz get McDermott/Portis

Bulls trade McDermott/portis
Bulls get okafor

Philly trade okafor
Philly gets our 17 1st, nicholson,

Wiz trade smith, burke 2019 1st and 2nd
Wiz get barton, oquinn

Nuggets trade barton, nurkic
Nuggets get smith, wiz 2019 1st, wiz 2019 2nd

New York trades Jennings, o'quinn
New York gets burke, nurkic

Wall/jennings/sato
Beal/barton/McDermott
Portrr/oubre/
Morris/portis/o'quinn
Gortat/mahinmi/o'quinn

Playoff ready...
Go into offseason with the same amount of the current cap
O'Quinn and Portis are locked in until oubre

If Mahinmi looks go he can probably be moved this off season to get sone picks back

That's too much.

Too much change.

Too many good players three deep on the depth chart.

Maybe make ONE change. Nicholson and a first for Portis and a second ... Or, Burke and a first for Barton and 2 seconds ...

Then, chemistry is maintained and one need is addressed.