Official Trade Thread - Part XXXII

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

well witch pick. currently its probably possible to trade 2017 2018 2019 and 2020 (last one being a stretch).
IDK, its a tricky market, plumlee was moved for nothing, so the perceived negative value of our filler, nicholson and mahinmi is not as bad as one would think. Korver (a former all star, 35 year old, sharp shooter on a one year deal) went for a heavily protected 2019 pick.
So that gives you a little idea of where the market is.
I don't think Bledsoe is going to be moved for a 2017 first and they probably won't take the filler we have for him. Hes a starting PG and I don't think he wants to be in johns shadow again, so that might cause issues in the locker room. It really depends on the deal and who all is involved and the situation. I think any one on Orlando could be had for a first of any kind. You might be able to use a 2019 or 2018 to get some guys from denver, The pistons, I think zach randolph and vince carter for mahinmi and a 2019 or 2018 first is very possible. Not a lot of PG's that ar out there are worth trading for. Lou williams is one I would be ok with dumping a first on, barton too but hes a 2. Maybe you could pull something off with a mahinmi and a 2019 for Rondo and portis, but Rando might not buy in and you risk fracturing the locker room.

Woo, dude, I appreciate your activeness in this thread but at least be somewhat realistic. Both of those guys are key to what Memphis does... and they are a playoff team. Also, Orlando is trying to get a star back for Vuc/Ibaka etc., they don't want a 1st and trash, which is all we can offer. Just think a bit more before shooting off more and more dart throw trade ideas.

you say i need to think more? obviously you need to do more reading and research. orlando is desperate to move ibaka and a few others to try and save face over loosing so many assets on ibaka, they are not looking for a star. do some reading its been reported out all over the place for months. randolph is a 35 year old undersized, over weight, PF in decline, while he is still effective he is only being played about 24 minutes a game and is probably better suited for a high level bench role at this point in his carer, not to mention, he is an injury risk and they have younger options at pf on the team. Carter is a 40 something year old SG who plays less that randolph, enough said. They would be good adds to our horrible bench and in reality menphis won't miss them too much. Plus neither of them are likely to be back next year and trading two pieces that are not part of their future for a first and a player of need. The need depth at center because they don't currently have that. Now if you had said that they would be to shy on mahinmi because of his knees and their recent injury history, then you have a proper counter point. You can say my posts are stupid all you want. you are entitled to your opinion. but don't ever insinuate that i dont' "think" or do my research!

I don't think Carter or Randolph are the way to go. I also don't think the Wizards bench is horrible.

I think wait and see with Mahinmi. He and Gortat in tandem will beast. Jason Smith at PF will be good most of the time.

The guy to trade is Nicholson. Him, probably Thornton and MAYBE Burke. Burke hits shots. He's been pretty decent. He's neither a playmaker nor a defender; and, he's a combo guard. So, if the team needs a defensive PG I suggest the D-League.

Ray McCallum just got called up. He's an EXCELLENT fit for what the Wizards need (if he doesn't stick on his current call up, I forget with whom).

Instead of adding old as Methuselah (sp?) guys who can no longer defend, I'd rather see them add a fairly young player. Lou Williams and Will Barton are still very much in their respective primes. THEY could help. Jamal Crawford has enough offense to really make up for what he doesn't have on defense. But personally, I would look at guys like Aaron Gordon and Jake Layman. Young guys with serious athleticism, who can play with energy off the bench behind Porter and Morris.

I would look for guys who've underachieved so far, but who might blow up in time. That's who I would rather see them trade for.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I'm thinking Nicholson+Burke and a 2nd rounder for Brandon Knight is an option also.

I have faith that Knight can become decent again on a good team. There's a lot of nice combo guards that can fit with Satoransky, Knight and Collison are my top targets I think. Evans and Barton also in the mix. Avoid LOU Williams at all costs. What you think pif?

I'm the opposite of a Brandon Knight fan, nat. Moreover, he has a huge long-term contract that we couldn't absorb. It would hamstring us.

Collison is expiring, but I don't think Sac'to would take Nicholson/Burke for him. In fact, as nate has observed, Nicholson's such a bad player that to deal him we'd have to up the ante considerably w/ at least 1 R1 pick (depending on whom we were getting back of course).

I like Barton but not for any deal involving a R1 pick. Lou is having a terrific season, but... it's the same problem, really -- I just don't see a deal that helps enough now but doesn't mess up our future.

IMO, we should be happy w/ current success, ride it as far as we can this season, & keep building w/ youth. If we do a good job (and are lucky) we may have some kind of shot at a title somewhere in the next few years. At least at an EC championship. I don't think we have that now, & I do think if we trade the future we still won't have it now, & we won't have it later either.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I wonder how eager Dallas will be to jettison aging vets and add some youth. Would they consider trading a 33-year-old Darren Collison for Nicholson? Collision has one year left on his deal at $4.4M.

Dallas has no big men under contract next year unless they take the team option on Dirk's $25M contract. Given their record and relative lack of promise, I don't think they'll be successful getting good bigs on reasonable contracts in free agency. They might look favorably upon a young big like Nicholson who doesn't break the bank.

Or maybe I'm just deluding myself.

Nice idea, nate.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I wonder how eager Dallas will be to jettison aging vets and add some youth. Would they consider trading a 33-year-old Darren Collison for Nicholson? Collision has one year left on his deal at $4.4M.

Dallas has no big men under contract next year unless they take the team option on Dirk's $25M contract. Given their record and relative lack of promise, I don't think they'll be successful getting good bigs on reasonable contracts in free agency. They might look favorably upon a young big like Nicholson who doesn't break the bank.

Or maybe I'm just deluding myself.

Yup, nate, you are!

Honestly, if it takes swapping this year's first for their second and another future second to make this happen; it MIGHT be worth it.

Dallas right now in round two picks #38. Washington right now picks #22 in round one. That figures to be more 36 for Dallas and 25 for Washington by draft night. At 36, there's going to be SOMEBODY good. Swanigan, Motley, Thomas Bryant, Jawun Evans, Monte Morris, FOR SURE Romelo Trimble ....

I don't think nate is deluding himself at all. I can see Collison for Nicholson going down because Yogi Ferrell is definitely going to stick with Dallas.

[bealwithit]

I wonder if they would bite one a Monroe+terry for 2017 second and 2018 first for Mahinmi and burke? Parker being out for so long might have them wanting to go for some extra picks this year and next.

Monroe has improved defensively according to stats and write-ups I'm seeing from Bucks guys. Don't really get the chance to watch Bucks basketball to judge this myself. I still think Mahinmi is the better player on defense based on his performance last year in Indy. Monroe is the better offensive player. So does anything really improve at backup C if you're scoring more but also sacrificing interior D? Something the Wiz would have to think about.

Wall/Burke
Beal/Sato/Terry
Porter/Oubre
Morris/Smith
Gortat/Monroe

We'd still have a hole at PG behind Wall. Getting rid of this year's second kind of robs us of being able to move that pick for a veteran PG which is arguably a bigger issue for us. Burke's shenanigans against really good teams in the playoffs will be hard to swallow. I do not think Monroe would be the player that puts us at the level of beating the Cavs. I doubt you could find anyone that would think that.

Considering Monroe has a player option after the season it's possible he could be pretty cheap at the deadline and be had for the 2018 first instead of this year's, which would make me happy because we can still draft a young, cheap player. At the same time the Bucks could value a high 2017 first rounder just as much as a 2018 first rounder. Like I said though, not sure he makes us that much better at backup C.

Really the thing I like most about this trade is if we get the result of having neither Mahinmi or Monroe on the roster at the end of the season. In fact if that happened, in a perfect world, I would end up loving this trade. It would honestly be a blessing to be able to hit the reset button on that 15 million we have invested at backup C. Not sure that's much of a ringing endorsement for this idea since the outcome I like is pretty risky since if Monroe just opts in the point is moot. This trade has probably a zero chance of happening

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

I wonder if they would bite one a Monroe+terry for 2017 second and 2018 first for Mahinmi and burke? Parker being out for so long might have them wanting to go for some extra picks this year and next.

Monroe has improved defensively according to stats and write-ups I'm seeing from Bucks guys. Don't really get the chance to watch Bucks basketball to judge this myself. I still think Mahinmi is the better player on defense based on his performance last year in Indy. Monroe is the better offensive player. So does anything really improve at backup C if you're scoring more but also sacrificing interior D? Something the Wiz would have to think about.

Wall/Burke
Beal/Sato/Terry
Porter/Oubre
Morris/Smith
Gortat/Monroe

We'd still have a hole at PG behind Wall. Getting rid of this year's second kind of robs us of being able to move that pick for a veteran PG which is arguably a bigger issue for us. Burke's shenanigans against really good teams in the playoffs will be hard to swallow. I do not think Monroe would be the player that puts us at the level of beating the Cavs. I doubt you could find anyone that would think that.

Considering Monroe has a player option after the season it's possible he could be pretty cheap at the deadline and be had for the 2018 first instead of this year's, which would make me happy because we can still draft a young, cheap player. At the same time the Bucks could value a high 2017 first rounder just as much as a 2018 first rounder. Like I said though, not sure he makes us that much better at backup C.

Really the thing I like most about this trade is if we get the result of having neither Mahinmi or Monroe on the roster at the end of the season. In fact if that happened, in a perfect world, I would end up loving this trade. It would honestly be a blessing to be able to hit the reset button on that 15 million we have invested at backup C. Not sure that's much of a ringing endorsement for this idea since the outcome I like is pretty risky since if Monroe just opts in the point is moot. This trade has probably a zero chance of happening

I wouldn't touch Monroe with a ten foot pole. Never been a fan of the guy, screams like an empty stat player to me.

[bealwithit]

I wonder if they would bite one a Monroe+terry for 2017 second and 2018 first for Mahinmi and burke? Parker being out for so long might have them wanting to go for some extra picks this year and next.

Monroe has improved defensively according to stats and write-ups I'm seeing from Bucks guys. Don't really get the chance to watch Bucks basketball to judge this myself. I still think Mahinmi is the better player on defense based on his performance last year in Indy. Monroe is the better offensive player. So does anything really improve at backup C if you're scoring more but also sacrificing interior D? Something the Wiz would have to think about.

Wall/Burke
Beal/Sato/Terry
Porter/Oubre
Morris/Smith
Gortat/Monroe

We'd still have a hole at PG behind Wall. Getting rid of this year's second kind of robs us of being able to move that pick for a veteran PG which is arguably a bigger issue for us. Burke's shenanigans against really good teams in the playoffs will be hard to swallow. I do not think Monroe would be the player that puts us at the level of beating the Cavs. I doubt you could find anyone that would think that.

Considering Monroe has a player option after the season it's possible he could be pretty cheap at the deadline and be had for the 2018 first instead of this year's, which would make me happy because we can still draft a young, cheap player. At the same time the Bucks could value a high 2017 first rounder just as much as a 2018 first rounder. Like I said though, not sure he makes us that much better at backup C.

Really the thing I like most about this trade is if we get the result of having neither Mahinmi or Monroe on the roster at the end of the season. In fact if that happened, in a perfect world, I would end up loving this trade. It would honestly be a blessing to be able to hit the reset button on that 15 million we have invested at backup C. Not sure that's much of a ringing endorsement for this idea since the outcome I like is pretty risky since if Monroe just opts in the point is moot. This trade has probably a zero chance of happening

I wouldn't touch Monroe with a ten foot pole. Never been a fan of the guy, screams like an empty stat player to me.

I'm not sure he's ever really gotten the chance to be in the right role or on a team that's all that decent. From all accounts by Bucks writers he's focused on his defense and he always been a decent offensive player. But he's not really what we need and like I said the only reason I like the idea of going after him is so he can end up not being in the roster next year. Which is not a reason to trade for a player.


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[pcbothwel]

I'm thinking Nicholson+Burke and a 2nd rounder for Brandon Knight is an option also.

I have faith that Knight can become decent again on a good team. There's a lot of nice combo guards that can fit with Satoransky, Knight and Collison are my top targets I think. Evans and Barton also in the mix. Avoid LOU Williams at all costs. What you think pif?

I'm the opposite of a Brandon Knight fan, nat. Moreover, he has a huge long-term contract that we couldn't absorb. It would hamstring us.

Collison is expiring, but I don't think Sac'to would take Nicholson/Burke for him. In fact, as nate has observed, Nicholson's such a bad player that to deal him we'd have to up the ante considerably w/ at least 1 R1 pick (depending on whom we were getting back of course).

I like Barton but not for any deal involving a R1 pick. Lou is having a terrific season, but... it's the same problem, really -- I just don't see a deal that helps enough now but doesn't mess up our future.

IMO, we should be happy w/ current success, ride it as far as we can this season, & keep building w/ youth. If we do a good job (and are lucky) we may have some kind of shot at a title somewhere in the next few years. At least at an EC championship. I don't think we have that now, & I do think if we trade the future we still won't have it now, & we won't have it later either.

Agreed. Im on record early in the season that our 2017 pick was a great trade chip if another team valued it as top 8-10, but not now. Lets see continue to watch Mahinmi and Sato get minutes off the bench and see what happens. I think our bench is about to impress over the next 30 games.

[WizTom]

The only move that is likely to help us is one that gives us a backup guard better than Sato. Doing anything else is just wasting future draft picks for no reason.

I've read a bunch of this thread, but I don't have time to read and respond to everything.

However, I do think - just my opinion - that there are a few principles y'all need to keep in mind.

Nate is correct above. The Wiz need Sato to adapt quickly or get a better option at back-up guard.

The starting five, with pissed-off Morris of the last month instead of historic Morris, is pretty good. They gave the Cavs a heck of a game the other night. They played great, but it wasn't a seven game series. Then they played the Nets and had to go to OT again to get the win. If it had been the Cavs again, the Wiz would have gotten blown out. Wall and everyone else were gassed. Brooks has to run all the starters too many minutes. That's fine in the play-offs, with days off between games and the fact that it's the play-offs. But it's terrible in the regular season. Especially for Wall, who is very high usage and shouldn't be asked to sustain "playoff level" minutes and performance through the dog days of January and going forward into a road-heavy schedule of regular season games.

So I think the Wizards have to hold steady and hope Mahinmi can perform, Jason GOAT maintains consistency, Oubre continues to develop, and Sato can play the point well enough to rest Wall. That's a lot of hope.

The alternative is to take action, such as trade assets for help. Unfortunately, the Wiz don't have many assets. (If the players they have were any good, this thread wouldn't be so busy.) And the future cap situation compounds the problem by tying their hands before they can make any deals.

The cap situation also means draft picks, especially 2nd round picks, should be very valuable to the Wiz in the coming years. I think they should be looking to acquire 2nd round picks. Boston, Utah, Atlanta, Houston, maybe others, all have more than one 2nd round pick this year. Looking at just the last two drafts, there are about 12-15 guys that are already potential rotation players from the second rounds. That's 20% - 25% chance of hitting on a contributor. And 2017 is supposed to be a deep draft. Trading future picks just doesn't make sense to me.

Which brings me full circle to the same conclusion I always come to: The Wiz need to #FireEFG. Sorry I'm a broken record. But I don't want EFG making any draft picks. Or any trades to acquire them. Just hire a competent GM, buy extra 2nd round picks and hope to hit on one or more of them.

This team is already carrying three un-drafted free agents! Imagine looking down the bench and seeing guys like Joe Young, Kay Felder, Malcolm Brogdon, Norman Powell, Jake Layman, Montrezl Harrell, Ivica Zubac, or Richaun Holmes. Instead we have Burke, Thornton, Nicholson, and the three un-drafted rookies. Six (6!!!) un-playable players on the roster. No wonder Brooks is burning the starters so many minutes. Replace any three of them with a random grab bag of Young, Brogdon, and Zubac. Problem solved.

#FireEFG

PS: All you debate team stat nerds can go off about how lousy Young, Brogdon, and Zubac are.
But my principles remain:
Hope for Sato.
Do not trade future picks.
The future cap situation sucketh.
#FireEFG.
Acquire 2nd round picks.

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I wonder how eager Dallas will be to jettison aging vets and add some youth. Would they consider trading a 33-year-old Darren Collison for Nicholson? Collision has one year left on his deal at $4.4M.

Dallas has no big men under contract next year unless they take the team option on Dirk's $25M contract. Given their record and relative lack of promise, I don't think they'll be successful getting good bigs on reasonable contracts in free agency. They might look favorably upon a young big like Nicholson who doesn't break the bank.

Or maybe I'm just deluding myself.

Yup, nate, you are!

Honestly, if it takes swapping this year's first for their second and another future second to make this happen; it MIGHT be worth it.

Dallas right now in round two picks #38. Washington right now picks #22 in round one. That figures to be more 36 for Dallas and 25 for Washington by draft night. At 36, there's going to be SOMEBODY good. Swanigan, Motley, Thomas Bryant, Jawun Evans, Monte Morris, FOR SURE Romelo Trimble ....

I don't think nate is deluding himself at all. I can see Collison for Nicholson going down because Yogi Ferrell is definitely going to stick with Dallas.

Holy moly!!

Just for starters, Darren Collison doesn't play for the Dallas Mavericks. He starts at PG for Sacramento. It's Devin Harris nate meant to be discussing.

I'm sure Harris would be available in a trade. Why would we want him? We wouldn't -- but, sure, I'd be happy to take on his 1 extra year at $4.5m in return for dumping 3 more long years of the absolutely terrible Andrew Nicholson at more money! I'd hate to give up a 2017 R1 pick, even a low one, but Dallas's high R2 pick makes up the difference.

But, I said yes to nate's question whether he was deluding himself, because there is just no way Dallas ever would take on Nicholson's awful contract -- not to go up a dozen picks in the upcoming draft! What you wrote applies to them just as it does to us.

Moreover, they are rebuilding soon & from scratch more or less. They will want young guys like Ferrell that give them room to add a few really good FAs when the time comes. Harris poses no problem; he'll be gone after next year.

[NatP4]

I'm the opposite of a Brandon Knight fan, nat. Moreover, he has a huge long-term contract that we couldn't absorb. It would hamstring us.

Collison is expiring, but I don't think Sac'to would take Nicholson/Burke for him. In fact, as nate has observed, Nicholson's such a bad player that to deal him we'd have to up the ante considerably w/ at least 1 R1 pick (depending on whom we were getting back of course).

I like Barton but not for any deal involving a R1 pick. Lou is having a terrific season, but... it's the same problem, really -- I just don't see a deal that helps enough now but doesn't mess up our future.

IMO, we should be happy w/ current success, ride it as far as we can this season, & keep building w/ youth. If we do a good job (and are lucky) we may have some kind of shot at a title somewhere in the next few years. At least at an EC championship. I don't think we have that now, & I do think if we trade the future we still won't have it now, & we won't have it later either.

Agreed. Im on record early in the season that our 2017 pick was a great trade chip if another team valued it as top 8-10, but not now. Lets see continue to watch Mahinmi and Sato get minutes off the bench and see what happens. I think our bench is about to impress over the next 30 games.

I agree with this, but my trade had nothing to do with our 2017 1st. PIF has convinced me that we should keep our 2017 pick and draft someone on a rookie deal, KO is such a nice asset to have at his contract.

But a 2nd rounder for a rotation player scorer, or our 2018 1st for an impact player, something to look at it.

But I do believe that Satoransky, Oubre, Mahinmi will make up a nice bench going forward

[NatP4]

Sato can be our playoff 3rd guard. Mahinmi oubre Otto and Keef can handle the bench frontcourt minutes.

We only used OTTO, sessions, Nene with gooden and seraphin here and there last playoffs. Only need one more rotation guy for the playoffs IMO

That's equals to oubre sato mahinmi Smith and nicholson?? Here and there...
Nah I don't think that would work

We need some type of goto scoring off the bench a credible shooter and a strong rebounder.

Maybe Nicholson can be that scorer? Idk. Mahinmi is the rebounder, Oubre is the credible shooter, Smith is the gooden forsure. Sato is going to be far better than sessions.

I just don't see LOU Williams making an impact, he gives it all back on the other end. Useless player during the playoffs

[bealwithit]

Yup, nate, you are!

Honestly, if it takes swapping this year's first for their second and another future second to make this happen; it MIGHT be worth it.

Dallas right now in round two picks #38. Washington right now picks #22 in round one. That figures to be more 36 for Dallas and 25 for Washington by draft night. At 36, there's going to be SOMEBODY good. Swanigan, Motley, Thomas Bryant, Jawun Evans, Monte Morris, FOR SURE Romelo Trimble ....

I don't think nate is deluding himself at all. I can see Collison for Nicholson going down because Yogi Ferrell is definitely going to stick with Dallas.

Holy moly!!

Just for starters, Darren Collison doesn't play for the Dallas Mavericks. He starts at PG for Sacramento. It's Devin Harris nate meant to be discussing.

I'm sure Harris would be available in a trade. Why would we want him? We wouldn't -- but, sure, I'd be happy to take on his 1 extra year at $4.5m in return for dumping 3 more long years of the absolutely terrible Andrew Nicholson at more money! I'd hate to give up a 2017 R1 pick, even a low one, but Dallas's high R2 pick makes up the difference.

But, I said yes to nate's question whether he was deluding himself, because there is just no way Dallas ever would take on Nicholson's awful contract -- not to go up a dozen picks in the upcoming draft! What you wrote applies to them just as it does to us.

Moreover, they are rebuilding soon & from scratch more or less. They will want young guys like Ferrell that give them room to add a few really good FAs when the time comes. Harris poses no problem; he'll be gone after next year.

You think Dallas would ask for the 1st in exchange for Harris? I guess swapping for their 2nd makes sense in that case, still doesn't sound right to be sending a 1st for a 34 year old backup PG. I also like the idea of CJ Watson from Orlando.

I'm beginning to think we don't be able to dump Nicholson's contract until next season when our 1st rounder will be more expendable imo (we will have plenty of young players by that point with Wall, Beal, Porter, Oubre, Kieff and whoever we select with the 1st this year). I think Burke is someone that one of these teams with a veteran PG would find some value in, Vogel and Carlisle being two guys who could get tough on Burke and really try to help him succeed. Burke and our 2nd feels good enough to get it done for Harris or Watson or whoever. Maybe I'm being too optimistic.

Really I just don't think my eyes will be able to stand watching Burke's boneheaded play during the playoffs. He makes my brain hurt.

[gambitx777]

honestly I would love to find a way to get devin harris from the mavs, he would be the perfect back up PG for us right now, passes well, defends well, can shoot ok. Perfect back up vet! If we could get Harris and Barton somehow I would be thrilled. I would like another stretch 4 options to play with oubre, but thats hard to find.

[pcbothwel]

Sato can be our playoff 3rd guard. Mahinmi oubre Otto and Keef can handle the bench frontcourt minutes.

We only used OTTO, sessions, Nene with gooden and seraphin here and there last playoffs. Only need one more rotation guy for the playoffs IMO

That's equals to oubre sato mahinmi Smith and nicholson?? Here and there...
Nah I don't think that would work

We need some type of goto scoring off the bench a credible shooter and a strong rebounder.

Maybe Nicholson can be that scorer? Idk. Mahinmi is the rebounder, Oubre is the credible shooter, Smith is the gooden forsure. Sato is going to be far better than sessions.

I just don't see LOU Williams making an impact, he gives it all back on the other end. Useless player during the playoffs

Disagree. Wall/Otto and Sato/Oubre are the perfect players for him to play between to hide him defensively. And one thing he is doing at an elite level over the last 3 years is drawing fouls. This will help immensely as it puts other players in foul trouble and therefore make them less aggressive with Wall/Beal. It also slows the game down and gives our starters an extra couple minutes of rest.

[NatP4]

I still think we should move Mahinmi plus a 1st for Ibaka and Hezonja.

We would have space to possibly resign Ibaka, or, it would give us cap space and rid us of Mahinmi's contract. We wouldn't have to depend on Ian's health. You roll the dice on hezonja, who has 2 years left on a rookie deal. Hezonja and Satoransky were teammates on Barcelona and made a nasty duo running the floor.

Think about the athleticism of a Sato-Hezonja-Oubre trio, Ibaka can actually play either the 4 or 5 with Gortat or Keef.

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...The cap situation also means draft picks, especially 2nd round picks, should be very valuable to the Wiz in the coming years. ... Looking at just the last two drafts, there are about 12-15 guys that are already potential rotation players from the second rounds.

Yup. Better than that, in fact. From 2011: Bogdanovic, Singler, Mack, Parsons, Leuer, Bertans, Allen, Liggins, Moore & Thomas. From 2012: Satoransky, Crowder, Green, Acy, Middleton, Barton, Scott & O'Quinn.

Quite a fair number of impact players among them.

...Trading future picks just doesn't make sense to me. ...This team is already carrying three un-drafted free agents! Imagine looking down the bench and seeing guys like Joe Young, Kay Felder, Malcolm Brogdon, Norman Powell, Jake Layman, Montrezl Harrell, Ivica Zubac, or Richaun Holmes. Instead we have Burke, Thornton, Nicholson, and the three un-drafted rookies. Six (6!!!) un-playable players on the roster. No wonder Brooks is burning the starters so many minutes. Replace any three of them with a random grab bag of Young, Brogdon, and Zubac. Problem solved.

#FireEFG

PS: All you debate team stat nerds can go off about how lousy Young, Brogdon, and Zubac are.
But my principles remain:
Hope for Sato.
Do not trade future picks.
The future cap situation sucketh.
#FireEFG.
Acquire 2nd round picks.

On the button. But McClellan has promise & shouldn't be neglected. & you missed another 4-6 guys from the 2016 R2

[bealwithit]

I still think we should move Mahinmi plus a 1st for Ibaka and Hezonja.

We would have space to possibly resign Ibaka, or, it would give us cap space and rid us of Mahinmi's contract. We wouldn't have to depend on Ian's health. You roll the dice on hezonja, who has 2 years left on a rookie deal. Hezonja and Satoransky were teammates on Barcelona and made a nasty duo running the floor.

Think about the athleticism of a Sato-Hezonja-Oubre trio, Ibaka can actually play either the 4 or 5 with Gortat or Keef.

Eh... this kind of follows the same thing I was talking about with the Monroe trade, but without the risk of the player option Monroe has. I guess if this happened I wouldn't be super angry. Keeping the first just still seems like the best idea because getting one more young player in a deep draft would give us a comfortable amount of youth on the team. Beal breaking out, Otto coming into his own, Oubre developing, Sato, and a new rookie would be a nice group. Next year's deadline seems like the time where our 2018 first could be spent with peace of mind since we would have stockpiled a solid amount of young players and we could make a big move then.

Despite me just advocating for the idea in my previous posts about the Monroe trade idea, after taking a look I'm also not sure what having cap space (assuming Mahinmi is traded and Ibaka did not re-sign with us) this upcoming offseason would really do for us. There's no one who looks like they will actually be available that would really be a big upgrade for us.
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/
Best I can see is like... Tyreke Evans? (I don't know of any notable players who have player/team options and could opt out, lemme know if you know) None of these other guys seem like they're going anywhere or are too old for us to be interested. Better idea might be to just re-sign Ibaka at that point but would he make us a team that could beat with the Cavs? I certainly like the fit considering his combination of D (Mahinmi might still be the better defensive player), rebounding and superior offensive ability when compared to Mahinmi. Not sure though. They still have playoffs LeBron and a wealth of shooters.

Finally, all these Mahinmi trade ideas are assuming that he will even be made available by Ernie. I don't see him doing that.

As many have begun to state in this thread, the best move might to be just ride this out with Mahinmi and improving other parts of the team in the offseason. I think I agree.

[gambitx777]

ive been the biggest proponent of trading mahinmi, But the biggest thing aginst him being moved is not his knees. But EG's die hard instinct to not admit his mistakes till he has to. That is the one thing that I see keeping him from being traded.

[NatP4]

I still think we should move Mahinmi plus a 1st for Ibaka and Hezonja.

We would have space to possibly resign Ibaka, or, it would give us cap space and rid us of Mahinmi's contract. We wouldn't have to depend on Ian's health. You roll the dice on hezonja, who has 2 years left on a rookie deal. Hezonja and Satoransky were teammates on Barcelona and made a nasty duo running the floor.

Think about the athleticism of a Sato-Hezonja-Oubre trio, Ibaka can actually play either the 4 or 5 with Gortat or Keef.

Eh... this kind of follows the same thing I was talking about with the Monroe trade, but without the risk of the player option Monroe has. I guess if this happened I wouldn't be super angry. Keeping the first just still seems like the best idea because getting one more young player in a deep draft would give us a comfortable amount of youth on the team. Beal breaking out, Otto coming into his own, Oubre developing, Sato, and a new rookie would be a nice group. Next year's deadline seems like the time where our 2018 first could be spent with peace of mind since we would have stockpiled a solid amount of young players and we could make a big move then.

Despite me just advocating for the idea in my previous posts about the Monroe trade idea, after taking a look I'm also not sure what having cap space (assuming Mahinmi is traded and Ibaka did not re-sign with us) this upcoming offseason would really do for us. There's no one who looks like they will actually be available that would really be a big upgrade for us.
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/
Best I can see is like... Tyreke Evans? (I don't know of any notable players who have player/team options and could opt out, lemme know if you know) None of these other guys seem like they're going anywhere or are too old for us to be interested. Better idea might be to just re-sign Ibaka at that point but would he make us a team that could beat with the Cavs? I certainly like the fit considering his combination of D (Mahinmi might still be the better defensive player), rebounding and superior offensive ability when compared to Mahinmi. Not sure though. They still have playoffs LeBron and a wealth of shooters.

Finally, all these Mahinmi trade ideas are assuming that he will even be made available by Ernie. I don't see him doing that.

As many have begun to state in this thread, the best move might to be just ride this out with Mahinmi and improving other parts of the team in the offseason. I think I agree.

well, my thought process would be, have money to resign otto to the max, then possibly resign ibaka using bird rights, or use the MLE on someone, gives them plenty of wiggle room, and hezonja would be the young player you speak of. I also forgot that Satoransky played with not only Hezonja, but also Ibaka who is from spain.

And there was a report just last week that said Mahinmi was being made available, not sure about its validity, but it was reported. I am very high on Hezonja, its a great buy low opportunity, put him with wall or sato, could be gold.