Luka Doncic

[UcanUwill]

Speaking about great competition, Doncic is expected to play in upcoming Eurobasket, so is Dragic. Dragic+Doncic, legit good guard combo.

Has he ever matched up with Frank Ntilikina or any similar prospects?

I dont think so. He plays for Real mens team since 16, and I don't think he played in any junior tournaments.

Man don't start with his stories. How many times in life did Fultz played against grown man? Never? So Weems and Rudd are great players compared to school and college kids he is up with every week. In Euroleague of course aren't many Nba stars, but in every Euroleague team are many ex NCAA stars, who are now better then they were in NCAA, because they are in the prime of theirs careers. And Doncic is playing every day against them. But o.k let's say that they are on the same level as lotteries pick. How many times in his life did Fultz played against wannabe lotteries pick? I guess not many times, normally he plays against school kids. No way you can accept his argument that Doncic is not playing against better players in much better league.

I agree with you. But I don't even know if it's his argument. Of course Doncic faces better players, he just says that these "the cream of the crop" match ups tells more, at least to him (you could probably make a better point that Euroleague grown men matchups tells more, but thats beside the point), because even if those players are not as good as Euroleague pros currently, they have higher ceiling and higher talent level still. So its really a scouts heaven to watch those games and those players facing each other, talent always shines through.

I think most of these US-centric poster would (kinda ironically) not question Euroleague competition and would be just as convinced, if Doncic actually dominated that competition the way Fultz dominates college. But thats the trade off, Doncic gets to play in/against far tougher competition, but at the same time his stats are far less impressive. They see that Doncic is just a role player, then they start doubting. I dont know if I am making much sense here at all, long day.

[Sports Geek]

Speaking about great competition, Doncic is expected to play in upcoming Eurobasket, so is Dragic. Dragic+Doncic, legit good guard combo.

Has he ever matched up with Frank Ntilikina or any similar prospects?

Man, this is crazy, you are embarrasing yourself. Are you talking about the guy not having minutes in Strasbourg because he is not ready to compete even at that level? Doncic is competing with all the best guards in Europe, defending and attacking them. Ntilikina is not ready for that level. While Doncic was playing Euroleague playoffs last year, Ntilikina was playing the ANGT (a junior tournament) while being a year older than Luka. Why? Because he is not able to compete at a pro level. Why should he be able to beat Doncic if much better players than him can't?

Do you know who should be drafted in the number one pick? Usain Bolt. He will leave athletics soon and he would punish Doncic's lack of speed.

Ntilikina could be a good prospect, but right now, even he knows that Doncic is way over him while being a year younger.

I am getting tired of this nonsense chat. I think I will be back to talk about Doncic's performance in his next game. If not, thanks for the good chat to all those users that wanted to stick to the topic.

[UcanUwill]

Yeah, Doncic would domiante these junior scrubs so bad it would be massacre. He is basically Dzanan Musa with far stronger body, much better shot, and better decision making.

[reanimator]

Speaking about great competition, Doncic is expected to play in upcoming Eurobasket, so is Dragic. Dragic+Doncic, legit good guard combo.

Has he ever matched up with Frank Ntilikina or any similar prospects?

Man, this is crazy, you are embarrasing yourself. Are you talking about the guy not having minutes in Strasbourg because he is not ready to compete even at that level? Doncic is competing with all the best guards in Europe, defending and attacking them. Ntilikina is not ready for that level. While Doncic was playing Euroleague playoffs last year, Ntilikina was playing the ANGT (a junior tournament) while being a year older than Luka. Why? Because he is not able to compete at a pro level. Why should he be able to beat Doncic if much better players than him can't?

What are you going on about? I didn't bring up Ntilikina as a comparison of who can "beat" the other or who is better. Frank is a good defender and has the physical tools similar to most defenders Doncic will face once he comes to the NBA. If that matchup happened, it would provide insight into his abilities as a playmaker.

[reanimator]

Yeah, Doncic would domiante these junior scrubs so bad it would be massacre. He is basically Dzanan Musa with far stronger body, much better shot, and better decision making.

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[Bob8]

Speaking about great competition, Doncic is expected to play in upcoming Eurobasket, so is Dragic. Dragic+Doncic, legit good guard combo.

Has he ever matched up with Frank Ntilikina or any similar prospects?

I dont think so. He plays for Real mens team since 16, and I don't think he played in any junior tournaments.

Man don't start with his stories. How many times in life did Fultz played against grown man? Never? So Weems and Rudd are great players compared to school and college kids he is up with every week. In Euroleague of course aren't many Nba stars, but in every Euroleague team are many ex NCAA stars, who are now better then they were in NCAA, because they are in the prime of theirs careers. And Doncic is playing every day against them. But o.k let's say that they are on the same level as lotteries pick. How many times in his life did Fultz played against wannabe lotteries pick? I guess not many times, normally he plays against school kids. No way you can accept his argument that Doncic is not playing against better players in much better league.

I agree with you. But I don't even know if it's his argument. Of course Doncic faces better players, he just says that these "the cream of the crop" match ups tells more, at least to him (you could probably make a better point that Euroleague grown men matchups tells more, but thats beside the point), because even if those players are not as good as Euroleague pros currently, they have higher ceiling and higher talent level still. So its really a scouts heaven to watch those games and those players facing each other, talent always shines through.

I think most of these US-centric poster would (kinda ironically) not question Euroleague competition and would be just as convinced, if Doncic actually dominated that competition the way Fultz dominates college. But thats the trade off, Doncic gets to play in/against far tougher competition, but at the same time his stats are far less impressive. They see that Doncic is just a role player, then they start doubting. I dont know if I am making much sense here at all, long day.

who is the role player? in last 7 weeks the keys are more or less in his hands. yesterday Llull didn't even step in the court in the last quarter and it was close game. and Llull is considered to be one of the best in Europe and can go in NBA whenever he wants. and the best think about Doncic is, that he is beter every week. 5 month ago no one expected from him to do almost anything, except to learn. now he is the most important player in the team. In few weeks he will sign professional contract with the club, that is 10 times bigger than Nba teams, because of football of course. And believe me president of Real wouldn't personally give that kind of contract to some random role player. Can anybody understand what kind of thing is that for 17 years old kid? And now someone wants to persuade me how great is playing for the school? And losing 9-14? How in high school league and in NCAA are hundreds great prospects every year? And Bennett, who today again didn't not even get a minute, is isolated case, others prospects are almost always great? Yeah, I believe in fairy tales and Marvel's superheroes.

I know Fultz will be drafted first. So what? His real battle and problems will only begin at that moment. He will have to show from what kind material he really is made from. Doncic more or less did it in Europe. And he did it with style. Even if he eventually fail in Nba, he can always go home and be superstar in Europe. Where can go Fultz if he fails? In Fener, giving company to Bennett?

[Mirotic12]

Let's look at these NBA - EuroLeague games. I went back and used the Lakers versus Barca game from 2010 as the starting point. Because that was when they gave a lot of attention to that game, being NBA champions versus EuroLeague champions.....

Both teams played hard and payed to win the game, no matter what any NBA only fan claims. The reports said Phil Jackson was furious in the locker room after the game and was yelling and throwing things because the Lakers lost. Kobe said after the game that the Lakers absolutely tried to win the game. So I am using that as a starting point, since it's sort of the beginning point in time where these games really started becoming very competitive.

So, in the last 6 years, and over a 27 game sample size (which is not small), the NBA has a record of 17-10 against the EuroLeague in these games. Some key points,

1. These games are played under pure 100% NBA rules.
2. These games have either 3 NBA refs, or 2 NBA refs and 1 FIBA Europe ref.
3. At home, NBA teams are 12-3, but on the road, they are 5-7.

So, 15 of those 27 games have been played at home by the NBA teams, a very clear advantage. 27 of those 27 games have been played with majority or all NBA refs (who do call the game differently than European refs), and with pure NBA rules - another very clear advantage for NBA teams.

So giving NBA teams all the advantages you can, they are a mind boggling 17-10 overall, and 5-7 on the road, and even somehow managed to lose 3 home games....

Now for the excuses some NBA only fans make for this....

"The NBA teams are not even trying, and the EuroLeague teams are playing the single biggest game of their lives, and it's their world championship".

FALSE - the NBA teams are clearly trying to win these games (Doc Rivers said the Celtics got a nasty note from the NBA commissioner after they lost to Fenerbahce, and it told them to make sure they didn't lose anymore to EuroLeague teams), you can clearly see the NBA players don't want to "get embarrassed" by losing to a EuroLeague team. They are out there playing very hard in those games.

The EuroLeague teams are also in preseason exhibition games, and they are not playing the biggest game of their lives, and it's no championship for them. That's ridiculous. They play hard, and they play to win the game, and they want to beat an NBA team, but they have hundreds of more important games in their careers.

"The NBA teams play their bench and 3rd string the whole game, and rest their starters, while the EuroLeague teams play their starters and best players the whole game."

FALSE - In just about every single one of these games, the NBA teams actually use their bench less minutes than the EuroLeague teams do, and the EuroLeague teams go just as deep on their roster or deeper in the game. Not to mention that the EuroLeague team's best players will often sit out the game, or only play 18-25 minutes of a 48 minute game. It's simply a myth that NBA teams are playing 48 minutes with 3rd string, and EuroLeague teams are playing all their best players 40 minutes. It's completely untrue and has zero basis in reality, since anyone can look up the box scores of these games and see it's simply untrue. Where the 4-5 best players of the NBA teams actually usually tend to get more minutes than the 4-5 best players in the EuroLeague teams in such games.

We have some claims that any good NCAA DI team can beat the best EuroLeague teams, that someone like Fultz would clearly by far and away be the best player in EuroLeague, that the best NCAA teams are bigger, longer, more athletic, play faster than the best EuroLeague teams, etc.

So using this same logic, that must mean that playing under NBA rules, not NCAA rules, that playing 15 out of 27 games on NBA team's home arenas, playing with NBA refs (that also do ref differently than NCAA refs)....that somehow NCAA teams should manage to win more than 10 out of 27 games, like EuroLeague teams did.

And keep this in mind, not the "elite college teams". Nope. Just let's say a random selection of the top 25 NCAA teams. Because the EuroLeague's elite teams are not usually playing in these games. You do have teams like CSKA, Real playing often in recent years. But at times Real wasn't a good team. Barca was for a long time, but this year they played against the Thunder, and they are a bad team now. Plus, half their team was injured for that game - they still lost by just 4 points, with NBA rules and refs. I'd like to see some random top 12-15 NCAA team do that.

NBA is often playing Fener when they were mediocre, or Milano (very mediocre usually), or Maccabi (often average of worse), and not simply playing the top level EuroLeague teams all the time in these games.

If anyone here actually thinks every year you could randomly select 3-4 top 25 NCAA teams, put them in games against NBA teams, with NBA rules and refs, and play most of those games at NBA arenas...that those NCAA teams could win more than 10 of 27 games against the NBA teams - if anyone here really thinks and believes that, then they I cannot honestly believe they have ever seen an NCAA game, or ever seen an NBA game, or maybe both.

I have serious doubts that the NCAA teams could even win 1 game out of 100 against NBA teams, let alone that they could win 37 out of 100 games against NBA teams. Take the EuroLeague's percentage in those last 27 NBA against EuroLeague games, and you get a percentage that would equal 63 wins NBA, and 37 wins EuroLeague, for a 100 game sample size. And it would break down as 56 games at home for NBA, 44 games at home for EuroLeague (big NBA advantage), and 100 out of 100 games played under NBA rules, with NBA refs (an obvious advantage for NBA).

So seriously...people here think that good NCAA teams and the best NCAA players are better than EuroLeague teams and players?

[Bob8]

here is analysis how "role" player is passing the ball.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Luka-Doncic---Pick-and-Roll-Passing-5800/

[Goon]

Notice you mention size and strength which is my point. What Doncic is doing is great in the sense that he is playing against grown men and excelling in a structured offense against them but it'd be a lie to say he goes up against guys with the defensive tools many of the guys on blue blood college teams possess.

I'm sure we will find out that NCAA is better than Euroleague and Fultz is defended by better players than Doncic in the end.

Let's watch this video, https://youtu.be/sCy75Mft8ns , to see who really are against Doncic in offense and defense.

And let's compare this Euroleague video with high tempo play in NCAA and great defense against Fultz. https://youtu.be/aEFg-5BApQA

It's like watching slow motion.

This is like UEFA Youth League compared to the Champions League. No intensity or tempo.

How anyone can argue that this is on par or close to Euroleague is really hard to comprehend.

[peja_the_legend]

https://youtu.be/BrXhTHRhPUs?t=4294

a typical euroleague play.The kind of players Doncic faces in this competition.Admire the skill,the grace,the athleticism.

[Apollo64]

I think the problem that the US posters here have with assessing Doncic is that there isn't a point of reference for them: there weren't really many exceptional 6'7'' all-around playmakers in recent years in american basketball.

Lebron, Batum, Hayward, Iguodala, Paul George, Kawhi, Parsons....are you sure?

See, this is where the problem is, apart from Lebron none of them are truly exceptional playmakers (just good), plus they are really forwards and not guards like Doncic (to me he's clearly going to be an SG in the NBA defending SGs). I mean, putting PG, Kawhi and Parsons there as some top playmakers is a bit desperate, no?

[Marcus]

Speaking about great competition, Doncic is expected to play in upcoming Eurobasket, so is Dragic. Dragic+Doncic, legit good guard combo.

Has he ever matched up with Frank Ntilikina or any similar prospects?

Man, this is crazy, you are embarrasing yourself. Are you talking about the guy not having minutes in Strasbourg because he is not ready to compete even at that level? Doncic is competing with all the best guards in Europe, defending and attacking them. Ntilikina is not ready for that level. While Doncic was playing Euroleague playoffs last year, Ntilikina was playing the ANGT (a junior tournament) while being a year older than Luka. Why? Because he is not able to compete at a pro level. Why should he be able to beat Doncic if much better players than him can't?

Do you know who should be drafted in the number one pick? Usain Bolt. He will leave athletics soon and he would punish Doncic's lack of speed.

Ntilikina could be a good prospect, but right now, even he knows that Doncic is way over him while being a year younger.

I am getting tired of this nonsense chat. I think I will be back to talk about Doncic's performance in his next game. If not, thanks for the good chat to all those users that wanted to stick to the topic.

its not a crazy question. You're just taking it a lot further than it needs to go. He was asking if the kid matched up against another prospect. It's no different than when Brandon Jennings played overseas and matched up against Ricky Rubio. It's a simple question. If he hasn't then just say he hasn't and move on.

[Bob8]

https://youtu.be/BrXhTHRhPUs?t=4294

a typical euroleague play.The kind of players Doncic faces in this competition.Admire the skill,the grace,the athleticism.

So now we will watch random Euroleague game to prove randon NCAA game is better and random NCAA players are better and more athletic?
You know what's interesting? I and others paste many links of Doncic, but there was almost no comment about him. Instead of that, you want to prove how Euroleague is full of bad players. Funny thing is that big percentage of them are ex NCAA stars. Then we have some ex Nba players and of course some domestic players who compete with foreigners, so I'm sure they can't be that bad. And for sure there are no kids, all of them are grown ups and professionals. In NCAA we had only kids, no one with Nba experience and many who won't be playing basketball after school. With other words no professionals. So if one talented player is playing in professional league and the other in school league, is really so difficult to understand that playing with professionals is more demanding?That expectation in Madrid are bigger than in Washington, especially if one team is contender for Euroleague title and the other has 9-14?
But whatever, I give up. Whoever wants can look on Tv how Luka is playing and makes his own mind how good he is. I guess we will get the answer soon enough. Maybe only one last question. Why drafexpress has him in second place in 2018 draft? Player who is not athletic, not especially skilled and don't play weekly against other prospects?

[Mirotic12]

The problem is that European basketball isn't like the NBA, where there is just this one pro league. There are dozens of countries and all have their own league systems. Then 4 different pan European leagues.

It's not even like trying to compare a player from a Big 5 school to some mid major player. They are not even in the same league or country.

Ntilikina really isn't that relevant to a Doncic discussion or comparison. Let me put it this way, I cannot honestly not think of a single team in the entire EuroLeague where he would ever get any playing time. Not a single team. Not one.

Or let me put it this way - he plays in Basketball Champions League for European wide competition. That's the 3rd level league of Europe, after EuroLeague, and EuroCup. It's slightly below EuroCup in level overall, and once you get to the knockout stages (because it has so many more teams), it's probably fairly similar in level to EuroCup, with both being well below EuroLeague level.

Well his team, SIG, just had their first playoff game of that pan European league. It was against Greek club Aris. I watched the game, and I can tell you that Ntilikina was easily getting outplayed by Aris' guards. That's like the 4th-5th best Greek League team, and no better than a EuroCup level team (it's not a EuroLeague level team, not under the current 16 team format).

There is really no sense to use "did he play against Ntilikina" as an argument, when Ntilikina is quite frankly, a below average player in the third level European league. It gets to this issue, that so many American fans just think any guy drafted from Europe, or even on a mock draft list, must be a star in Europe, and/or one of the best players in Europe. It's simply untrue, as many times even lotto picks, top 5 picks from Europe are nothing but role players.

It's a preconceived notion, that somehow Ntilikina must be a star there, because he's a projected first rounder - so then just wanting to know did Doncic play against "legit NBA talent", or did he "just play against a bunch of scrubs that can't make the NBA".

The point is not really valid, and it's not relevant really in context, because it assumes something that simply isn't true - it assumes Ntilikina is one of the best guards in Europe, when in fact, he's not much more than a below average player in secondary leagues like French Pro A and Champions League.

Here is a box score of the game:

http://www.basketballcl.com/16-17/0702/Aris-SIG-Strasbourg#|tab=boxscore_statistics


If you want to watch the game, it will be uploaded by Champions League's account soon. You are comparing guys in different leagues, in different levels, in different level teams, and one guy isn't a good player in his team and league. while the other is. Not really all that pertinent to a Doncic discussion. It would be if you wanted to do a player comparison in an overall drafty or prospect thread. But it's not really to use it as some kind of barometer on what Doncic does himself in Europe.

[jrob23]

The problem is that European basketball isn't like the NBA, where there is just this one pro league. There are dozens of countries and all have their own league systems. Then 4 different pan European leagues.

It's not even like trying to compare a player from a Big 5 school to some mid major player. They are not even in the same league or country.

Ntilikina really isn't that relevant to a Doncic discussion or comparison. Let me put it this way, I cannot honestly not think of a single team in the entire EuroLeague where he would ever get any playing time. Not a single team. Not one.

Or let me put it this way - he plays in Basketball Champions League for European wide competition. That's the 3rd level league of Europe, after EuroLeague, and EuroCup. It's slightly below EuroCup in level overall, and once you get to the knockout stages (because it has so many more teams), it's probably fairly similar in level to EuroCup, with both being well below EuroLeague level.

Well his team, SIG, just had their first playoff game of that pan European league. It was against Greek club Aris. I watched the game, and I can tell you that Ntilikina was easily getting outplayed by Aris' guards. That's like the 4th-5th best Greek League team, and no better than a EuroCup level team (it's not a EuroLeague level team, not under the current 16 team format).

There is really no sense to use "did he play against Ntilikina" as an argument, when Ntilikina is quite frankly, a below average player in the third level European league. It gets to this issue, that so many American fans just think any guy drafted from Europe, or even on a mock draft list, must be a star in Europe, and/or one of the best players in Europe. It's simply untrue, as many times even lotto picks, top 5 picks from Europe are nothing but role players.

It's a preconceived notion, that somehow Ntilikina must be a star there, because he's a projected first rounder - so then just wanting to know did Doncic play against "legit NBA talent", or did he "just play against a bunch of scrubs that can't make the NBA".

The point is not really valid, and it's not relevant really in context, because it assumes something that simply isn't true - it assumes Ntilikina is one of the best guards in Europe, when in fact, he's not much more than a below average player in secondary leagues like French Pro A and Champions League.

Here is a box score of the game:

http://www.basketballcl.com/16-17/0702/Aris-SIG-Strasbourg#|tab=boxscore_statistics


If you want to watch the game, it will be uploaded by Champions League's account soon. You are comparing guys in different leagues, in different levels, in different level teams, and one guy isn't a good player in his team and league. while the other is. Not really all that pertinent to a Doncic discussion. It would be if you wanted to do a player comparison in an overall drafty or prospect thread. But it's not really to use it as some kind of barometer on what Doncic does himself in Europe.

you're dead wrong about Ntilikina. It doesn't matter how little he plays in Europe or how bad a box score looks when he's barely playing or an option on offense. He's a legit top of the line prospect who has as much talent as anyone in this draft class. You actually sound kinda clueless and amateurish saying he's a "below average player" lmao

nice cherry pick btw. I can do that too.

Here he is scoring 31 in the Under 18 championship game:

http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/European%20Championships%20U18/2016/1222_LTU_FRA.asp

lmao too funny

[jrob23]

Speaking about great competition, Doncic is expected to play in upcoming Eurobasket, so is Dragic. Dragic+Doncic, legit good guard combo.

Has he ever matched up with Frank Ntilikina or any similar prospects?

Man, this is crazy, you are embarrasing yourself. Are you talking about the guy not having minutes in Strasbourg because he is not ready to compete even at that level? Doncic is competing with all the best guards in Europe, defending and attacking them. Ntilikina is not ready for that level. While Doncic was playing Euroleague playoffs last year, Ntilikina was playing the ANGT (a junior tournament) while being a year older than Luka. Why? Because he is not able to compete at a pro level. Why should he be able to beat Doncic if much better players than him can't?

Do you know who should be drafted in the number one pick? Usain Bolt. He will leave athletics soon and he would punish Doncic's lack of speed.

Ntilikina could be a good prospect, but right now, even he knows that Doncic is way over him while being a year younger.

I am getting tired of this nonsense chat. I think I will be back to talk about Doncic's performance in his next game. If not, thanks for the good chat to all those users that wanted to stick to the topic.

another one who is full of it. Ntlikina is a top prospect for a reason. He'll be a better NBA player than Doncic, probably by a long shot too

[Bob8]

The problem is that European basketball isn't like the NBA, where there is just this one pro league. There are dozens of countries and all have their own league systems. Then 4 different pan European leagues.

It's not even like trying to compare a player from a Big 5 school to some mid major player. They are not even in the same league or country.

Ntilikina really isn't that relevant to a Doncic discussion or comparison. Let me put it this way, I cannot honestly not think of a single team in the entire EuroLeague where he would ever get any playing time. Not a single team. Not one.

Or let me put it this way - he plays in Basketball Champions League for European wide competition. That's the 3rd level league of Europe, after EuroLeague, and EuroCup. It's slightly below EuroCup in level overall, and once you get to the knockout stages (because it has so many more teams), it's probably fairly similar in level to EuroCup, with both being well below EuroLeague level.

Well his team, SIG, just had their first playoff game of that pan European league. It was against Greek club Aris. I watched the game, and I can tell you that Ntilikina was easily getting outplayed by Aris' guards. That's like the 4th-5th best Greek League team, and no better than a EuroCup level team (it's not a EuroLeague level team, not under the current 16 team format).

There is really no sense to use "did he play against Ntilikina" as an argument, when Ntilikina is quite frankly, a below average player in the third level European league. It gets to this issue, that so many American fans just think any guy drafted from Europe, or even on a mock draft list, must be a star in Europe, and/or one of the best players in Europe. It's simply untrue, as many times even lotto picks, top 5 picks from Europe are nothing but role players.

It's a preconceived notion, that somehow Ntilikina must be a star there, because he's a projected first rounder - so then just wanting to know did Doncic play against "legit NBA talent", or did he "just play against a bunch of scrubs that can't make the NBA".

The point is not really valid, and it's not relevant really in context, because it assumes something that simply isn't true - it assumes Ntilikina is one of the best guards in Europe, when in fact, he's not much more than a below average player in secondary leagues like French Pro A and Champions League.

Here is a box score of the game:

http://www.basketballcl.com/16-17/0702/Aris-SIG-Strasbourg#|tab=boxscore_statistics


If you want to watch the game, it will be uploaded by Champions League's account soon. You are comparing guys in different leagues, in different levels, in different level teams, and one guy isn't a good player in his team and league. while the other is. Not really all that pertinent to a Doncic discussion. It would be if you wanted to do a player comparison in an overall drafty or prospect thread. But it's not really to use it as some kind of barometer on what Doncic does himself in Europe.

you're dead wrong about Ntilikina. It doesn't matter how little he plays in Europe or how bad a box score looks when he's barely playing or an option on offense. He's a legit top of the line prospect who has as much talent as anyone in this draft class. You actually sound kinda clueless and amateurish saying he's a "below average player" lmao

nice cherry pick btw. I can do that too.

Here he is scoring 31 in the Under 18 championship game:

http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/European%20Championships%20U18/2016/1222_LTU_FRA.asp

lmao too funny

What is this? Twilight zone? Doncic has got round Euroleague Mvp award twice this year, is the best man of the Real Madrid, the team which in a good day can compete with Nba teams, will get millions dollars contract in some weeks. Doesn't play this U18 games because, he will play in this years Eurobasket, together with Goran Dragic and will have every chance to win a medal. And you're telling me that Ntilikina is a better prospect? President of Real Madrid is a very stupid man, not giving this millions rather than to Doncic to Ntilikina? Doncic dominated this U18 games when he was 15 and that's why he moved to seniors.

U18 best clubs tournament 2014/2015,

http://www.euroleaguebasketball.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=005929&seasoncode=JT14#!JT14_QRC

Real Madrid won Final four and Luka Doncic was Mvp of the tournament. 2 years ago.

[BoardCrusher]

Has he ever matched up with Frank Ntilikina or any similar prospects?

Man, this is crazy, you are embarrasing yourself. Are you talking about the guy not having minutes in Strasbourg because he is not ready to compete even at that level? Doncic is competing with all the best guards in Europe, defending and attacking them. Ntilikina is not ready for that level. While Doncic was playing Euroleague playoffs last year, Ntilikina was playing the ANGT (a junior tournament) while being a year older than Luka. Why? Because he is not able to compete at a pro level. Why should he be able to beat Doncic if much better players than him can't?

Do you know who should be drafted in the number one pick? Usain Bolt. He will leave athletics soon and he would punish Doncic's lack of speed.

Ntilikina could be a good prospect, but right now, even he knows that Doncic is way over him while being a year younger.

I am getting tired of this nonsense chat. I think I will be back to talk about Doncic's performance in his next game. If not, thanks for the good chat to all those users that wanted to stick to the topic.

another one who is full of it. Ntlikina is a top prospect for a reason. He'll be a better NBA player than Doncic, probably by a long shot too

Few pages back I remember you saying youre leaving this thread, you have problems in keeping your word.

And since I see in what direction this debate is headed, mostly just by two posters who clearly dont have a clue about european basketball, Ill add mine 2cents.
Doncic would dominate all the scrub kids his age in NCAAB, it wouldnt even be a competition.
None of the kids from NCAA would get significant minutes on any of top 16 euroleague teams.
Ntlikina doesnt even come close to Doncic level of play, in fact I doubt he would even make it to real b team.

I also like how we are staying on topic in this thread, after all, repeating delusional opinions like "euros are trash, Fultz would dominate euroleague, NCAA is better then Euroleague and has far better athletes" is crucial to understand and debate the development of Luka Doncic, awesome.

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Jrob and reanimator you really are embarassing yourself !
Doncic is playing in the second best environment in the world behind NBA.
Ntilikina is far from that level. He may have more upside, there's a huge gap between Doncic and Ntilikina in their actual level

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another one who is full of it. Ntlikina is a top prospect for a reason. He'll be a better NBA player than Doncic, probably by a long shot too

Thats a bold thing to say.