2017 OKC Thunder Trade Discussion

[ThunderBolt]

What can we get for Oladipo?

Right now? Practically nothing with his poison pill contract. In the off-season a few lesser players or maybe a top 5 draft pick from a team that feels they are ready to jump into the playoffs/contention, but need a good 3&D SG like Philly or Boston. If the Brooklyn pick ends up being #4/5 then Boston could be an option. Philly's pick could be an option and they have swap rights with Sacramento, assuming they take their PG with the Lakers' pick.

I'm curious if trying to move up our draft pick might be he better option if we are unable to make a trade. Next year Abrines and Sabonis could be much better. If Vic is replaced with a young talented rookie, our team may not be much worse. In the event RW doesn't want to return, we still have young assets. I don't think this necessarily makes us better next year but secures a stable future if RW leaves or we can't make significant trades.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I'm curious if trying to move up our draft pick might be he better option if we are unable to make a trade. Next year Abrines and Sabonis could be much better. If Vic is replaced with a young talented rookie, our team may not be much worse. In the event RW doesn't want to return, we still have young assets. I don't think this necessarily makes us better next year but secures a stable future if RW leaves or we can't make significant trades.

The issue there is you have to find a team that thinks they can win now that is picking ahead of the Thunder. To make it worth it to move Dipo you'd really have to be moving into the top 8. I don't see that happening on draft night.

I don't like the idea of trying to hedge the bet on Russ. You either trade him before he can leave or you act as if he is staying and you try to fit pieces around him. You don't get rid of good players for prospects which is the type of move that would push him away given where he is in his career. He's not going to want to want to take a step back at 29 to maybe take a step forward at 31.

[mlloyd10]

Would you guys be interested in a Henson/Telly for Kanter?

[Andre Roberstan]

Would you guys be interested in a Henson/Telly for Kanter?

Maybe. I'd rather engineer some sort of wing swap that doesn't leave us with so much money tied up in PF/C, but it's not bad IMO.

[bondom34]

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Why not try it. It might be awful.

[Balkman32]

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Why not try it. It might be awful.

Presti never trades young guys for a 30 something. We don't need to add more front court players. We need guys who can score from the wing. SAS are making a killing by dealing LMA for Holliday and Sabonis. NOH also gets a sweet deal by getting Payne and Kanter for an expiring Holliday.

LMA is 31. He's on his way down. The Thunder love Sabonis. I don't think they deal Sabonis unless they get a younger star.

[retrobro90]

Would you guys be interested in a Henson/Telly for Kanter?

Henson I don't much care for at all. Outside of being a weak side shot blocker he doesn't really bring anything to the table and we have a younger and more versatile version of him in Grant. Telly I'd like but Kanter is way too high of an asking price for a 31 year old who's having a not-so-great season with a not-so-friendly contract

[spearsy23]

I'm curious if trying to move up our draft pick might be he better option if we are unable to make a trade. Next year Abrines and Sabonis could be much better. If Vic is replaced with a young talented rookie, our team may not be much worse. In the event RW doesn't want to return, we still have young assets. I don't think this necessarily makes us better next year but secures a stable future if RW leaves or we can't make significant trades.

The issue there is you have to find a team that thinks they can win now that is picking ahead of the Thunder. To make it worth it to move Dipo you'd really have to be moving into the top 8. I don't see that happening on draft night.

I don't like the idea of trying to hedge the bet on Russ. You either trade him before he can leave or you act as if he is staying and you try to fit pieces around him. You don't get rid of good players for prospects which is the type of move that would push him away given where he is in his career. He's not going to want to want to take a step back at 29 to maybe take a step forward at 31.

I think a move like this is our best bet at sneaking a championship with Russ. Moving Vic for a high draft pick, and enes for a productive guy on a rookie scale would open cap space to sign a couple of players that actually fit around Russ. Don't know exactly how much space we'd get our how much redick or patpat sign for but maybe you could come out of free agency with
Russ/JJ/Robes/Pat^2/Steven
Cam/Abrines/Isaac/Domas/Joffrey(dakari?)

[Kizz Fastfists]

I think a move like this is our best bet at sneaking a championship with Russ. Moving Vic for a high draft pick, and enes for a productive guy on a rookie scale would open cap space to sign a couple of players that actually fit around Russ. Don't know exactly how much space we'd get our how much redick or patpat sign for but maybe you could come out of free agency with
Russ/JJ/Robes/Pat^2/Steven
Cam/Abrines/Isaac/Domas/Joffrey(dakari?)

I'm assuming Isaac goes in the top 8 and the three mocks I pulled up had him going 2nd, 3rd and 6th. Do you really think you can get a top 5 pick for Dipo? What team in the top 5 is going to trade the higher upside pick for Dipo? None of them are even close to being a win now team, except Boston, and they aren't going to fill their cap space before FA for anyone OKC has except Russ or maybe Adams. As for cap space if you get rid of Dipo for Isaac and then just dump Kanter's salary for nothing you could afford one of Redick or PatPat if they would be willing to come to OKC. Keep in mind that Redick will be 33 before next season starts so you are putting a declining player who is already inferior in the place of Dipo.

[ThunderBolt]

I could be wrong but I don't think Presti would dump someone like Kanter for nothing. Has he ever done something similar? If Dipo netted a pick a little lower, what about Malik Monk? This is a guy that could likely provide instant scoring as a rookie. That's kind of what we need. He could potentially be a second scorning option.

Also, I know we can't trade the rights to this years draft pick, but can't we still use it in some way or another? Can we trade the pick after it's made? Could that coupled with Vic get us either a higher prospect or even be used as a draft night trade?

[Kizz Fastfists]

I could be wrong but I don't think Presti would dump someone like Kanter for nothing. Has he ever done something similar? If Dipo netted a pick a little lower, what about Malik Monk? This is a guy that could likely provide instant scoring as a rookie. That's kind of what we need. He could potentially be a second scorning option.

Also, I know we can't trade the rights to this years draft pick, but can't we still use it in some way or another? Can we trade the pick after it's made? Could that coupled with Vic get us either a higher prospect or even be used as a draft night trade?

It could be traded after the pick is made. I don't see a team trading Monk for Dipo and the 20th pick. The teams picking in the top 5 need that player to become a superstar for them. They aren't trading that potential for a good player that will not move them forward unless they are beyond incompetent. The only possible exception is if Sacramento gets hot and their pick drops to 11th and goes to Chicago. Then the Bulls might try to trade their two first round picks for a win now player if they don't move Butler. Then you taking about something like Dipo for the 11th and 17th picks which might yield Miles Bridges, Kurucs and then Lydon with OKC's pick.

The only other option would be if the 76ers got the 4th pick, from the Lakers, and only wanted their PG to be a rookie so they traded their later pick for Dipo. That could be interesting as the 76ers pick would probably be top 5. Then again you're going backwards in the hope to go forward in the future how would Russ feel about that with only 3-4 years left at his current level? A move like that could drive him away to a team committed to winning now.

Presti would only give Kanter away after he had a player lined up to sign. Similar to GS clearing cap space after they got the commitment they needed last off-season. That is assuming you could give away Kanter's contract which I'm still not sure you can do. I think Kanter has negative trade value and would require an asset to move his contract.

[ThunderBolt]

I could be wrong but I don't think Presti would dump someone like Kanter for nothing. Has he ever done something similar? If Dipo netted a pick a little lower, what about Malik Monk? This is a guy that could likely provide instant scoring as a rookie. That's kind of what we need. He could potentially be a second scorning option.

Also, I know we can't trade the rights to this years draft pick, but can't we still use it in some way or another? Can we trade the pick after it's made? Could that coupled with Vic get us either a higher prospect or even be used as a draft night trade?

It could be traded after the pick is made. I don't see a team trading Monk for Dipo and the 20th pick. The teams picking in the top 5 need that player to become a superstar for them. They aren't trading that potential for a good player that will not move them forward unless they are beyond incompetent. The only possible exception is if Sacramento gets hot and their pick drops to 11th and goes to Chicago. Then the Bulls might try to trade their two first round picks for a win now player if they don't move Butler. Then you taking about something like Dipo for the 11th and 17th picks which might yield Miles Bridges, Kurucs and then Lydon with OKC's pick.

The only other option would be if the 76ers got the 4th pick, from the Lakers, and only wanted their PG to be a rookie so they traded their later pick for Dipo. That could be interesting as the 76ers pick would probably be top 5. Then again you're going backwards in the hope to go forward in the future how would Russ feel about that with only 3-4 years left at his current level? A move like that could drive him away to a team committed to winning now.

Presti would only give Kanter away after he had a player lined up to sign. Similar to GS clearing cap space after they got the commitment they needed last off-season. That is assuming you could give away Kanter's contract which I'm still not sure you can do. I think Kanter has negative trade value and would require an asset to move his contract.

The websites I was looking at showed monk around 7-10 range. If he's top 5, we're probably out of luck. I think a guy like monk would provide good scoring his rookie year. He might not be developed for a couple of years but he could likely replace some of the scoring that is lost with Vic. Plus, if Vic is gone we will also have available cash to spend.

[spearsy23]

I think a move like this is our best bet at sneaking a championship with Russ. Moving Vic for a high draft pick, and enes for a productive guy on a rookie scale would open cap space to sign a couple of players that actually fit around Russ. Don't know exactly how much space we'd get our how much redick or patpat sign for but maybe you could come out of free agency with
Russ/JJ/Robes/Pat^2/Steven
Cam/Abrines/Isaac/Domas/Joffrey(dakari?)

I'm assuming Isaac goes in the top 8 and the three mocks I pulled up had him going 2nd, 3rd and 6th. Do you really think you can get a top 5 pick for Dipo? What team in the top 5 is going to trade the higher upside pick for Dipo? None of them are even close to being a win now team, except Boston, and they aren't going to fill their cap space before FA for anyone OKC has except Russ or maybe Adams. As for cap space if you get rid of Dipo for Isaac and then just dump Kanter's salary for nothing you could afford one of Redick or PatPat if they would be willing to come to OKC. Keep in mind that Redick will be 33 before next season starts so you are putting a declining player who is already inferior in the place of Dipo.

Isaac was just the guy going 8 in the last mock I looked at, it doesn't really matter who that guy is. There are several teams that might be willing to move a top 10 pick for more immediate help, Sac/Boston/NOLA/Philly/Dallas are all possibilities. Actually looked at the cap situation though and you're right, we can't clear space for multiple guys. The only real chance would be to try a deal with the mavs of Kanter/dipo/1st for Matthews/1st giving us around 8 million to try and sign a stretch 4. There's not going to be as many teams with cap to throw around this year so it's possible you could get Patterson, especially if you find a way to move Singler.

[Kizz Fastfists]

$8M is less than the MLE will be this off-season. So basically OKC would offering Patterson the same MLE contract everyone else could. That isn't enough to land him unless he wants to come to OKC.

[Kizz Fastfists]

There are several teams that might be willing to move a top 10 pick for more immediate help, Sac/Boston/NOLA/Philly/Dallas are all possibilities.

Sacramento might be stupid enough to do it, assuming they don't fall out of the top 10 and their pick goes to Chicago. They will be trying to convince Cousins to resign after next year, but I think they'd rather take the top 10 pick in this draft and use their cap space then to fill some other holes.

Boston isn't giving up the #1, or #4, pick for Dipo. If Boston is going to trade that pick to OKC it will be for Russ.

NOLA is too far away to think Dipo gets them anywhere. Especially considering they just took their SG with the 6th pick this past draft. They aren't going to give up on Hield when he is shooting 37% from 3 as a rookie.

Philly would have to either go on a tear and be picking 10+ or get really unlucky to consider it. They are licking their chops at the chance of having two top 5 picks in a loaded draft to have a big 4 with Embiid and Simmons with them on cheap contracts so they can chase a max FA next off-season after, theoretically, making the playoffs. Maybe if Philly ends up with only one pick and it is 5th/6th and Ball, Fultz and Dennis Smith are gone, but then I'd expect them to be trading for a PG not a SG.

Dallas isn't going to trade out of the draft. They know they can't win next year and are not going to try. They are going to be terrible the next few years and try to draft another Dirk caliber player to build around.

[spearsy23]

There are several teams that might be willing to move a top 10 pick for more immediate help, Sac/Boston/NOLA/Philly/Dallas are all possibilities.

Sacramento might be stupid enough to do it, assuming they don't fall out of the top 10 and their pick goes to Chicago. They will be trying to convince Cousins to resign after next year, but I think they'd rather take the top 10 pick in this draft and use their cap space then to fill some other holes.

Boston isn't giving up the #1, or #4, pick for Dipo. If Boston is going to trade that pick to OKC it will be for Russ.

NOLA is too far away to think Dipo gets them anywhere. Especially considering they just took their SG with the 6th pick this past draft. They aren't going to give up on Hield when he is shooting 37% from 3 as a rookie.

Philly would have to either go on a tear and be picking 10+ or get really unlucky to consider it. They are licking their chops at the chance of having two top 5 picks in a loaded draft to have a big 4 with Embiid and Simmons with them on cheap contracts so they can chase a max FA next off-season after, theoretically, making the playoffs. Maybe if Philly ends up with only one pick and it is 5th/6th and Ball, Fultz and Dennis Smith are gone, but then I'd expect them to be trading for a PG not a SG.

Dallas isn't going to trade out of the draft. They know they can't win next year and are not going to try. They are going to be terrible the next few years and try to draft another Dirk caliber player to build around.

If Philly gets 2 picks I almost guarantee collangelo trades one of them. They're trying to move to win now mode and don't want two more guys to raise.

Cuban has already said they won't tank, if they have a chance to get 2 win now players before dirk retires then they're probably going to take it. Carlisle isn't interested in rebuilding either.

Boston it depends on how they do in the playoffs and what else they can get. Definitely would have to b pick 4 though.

[Osirus89]

Miami would be a really good team to look at in regards to trading their pick. Riley has no interest in doing a full rebuild. Problem is they don't really have a need at SG.

[Kizz Fastfists]

Miami would be a really good team to look at in regards to trading their pick. Riley has no interest in doing a full rebuild. Problem is they don't really have a need at SG.

Miami will have max salary cap space this off-season after they get Bosh off the books for medical reasons. Riley will make the pick then try to sign a max FA. If Riley didn't believe he could land a max FA then I could see them trading about. The problem is you are talking about trading into the 10-12 range so you aren't giving yourself anymore upside than you with Dipo.

[Kizz Fastfists]

If Philly gets 2 picks I almost guarantee collangelo trades one of them. They're trying to move to win now mode and don't want two more guys to raise.

Cuban has already said they won't tank, if they have a chance to get 2 win now players before dirk retires then they're probably going to take it. Carlisle isn't interested in rebuilding either.

Boston it depends on how they do in the playoffs and what else they can get. Definitely would have to b pick 4 though.

Boston's pick is a lock for the top 4. Boston needs a PG, because IT is the worst defensive player in the NBA. If they can't trade their assets for Russ they aren't sending them to OKC. They would take one of the three big time PGs and then use their cap space to try to bring in a max FA. Ainge hasn't been sitting on those assets this long to give them up on draft night unless it is for a superstar. If he ends up with the #1 pick he is more likely to trade IT than anything else.

Cuban might be willing to move his pick, but are you really going to give up Dipo to pick Miles Bridges who might never be as good? Anything after the top 6 I'm not even thinking about moving Dipo for. Why give Russ a reason to leave by sticking him with another rookie over the proven player? To do it for Monk, Jackson or Isaac I could see it for the upside. None of the PGs make sense and the rest isn't worth the gamble unless you are rebuilding.

If Philly gets the Lakers' pick they aren't trading it. They would most likely have two top four picks and would get their PG and a big time wing. They would be set and that team would grow. They would also have a ton of cap room and still be able to S&T Noel if they wanted a veteran wing.

[ThunderBolt]

Miami would be a really good team to look at in regards to trading their pick. Riley has no interest in doing a full rebuild. Problem is they don't really have a need at SG.

The problem is you are talking about trading into the 10-12 range so you aren't giving yourself anymore upside than you with Dipo.

Yeah but we're not invested $20 million a year in a draft pick. Oladipos salary can be used to bring in someone that could maybe hit a wide open three.